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10-31-2005, 01:16 AM
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Proposal: MTL - FLO

sorry guys but I did my hockey pool today and I am probably too pumped so I am gonna make a proposition that will hepl both teams:

MTL gets : Jokinen

FLO gets : Ryder


Why:
-I don't like ribeiro. HE can score 50g this year and I could care less. I don't trust him as a 2nd centerman.



Logic: Jokinen will become UFa at summer. better get something good for jokinen instead of losing him. He is playing LW and ruder can also play left wing. Of course Joki brings more toughness and fills a different role, but both can and will get 30g-35 assists. Also both are 25 years old, and ryder still has a way to make before becoming an UFA.

I wanted to include komi and bouwmeester but it is too soon to dropp him off. Too much talent but maybe a change of sceneray would be good for him. also Komi isthe type of fman that keenan and martin like because he does everything ala Hatcher, which is not bad.

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10-31-2005, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by waseem

Why:
-I don't like ribeiro. HE can score 50g this year and I could care less. I don't trust him as a 2nd centerman.

That's terrible logic to trade Ryder because you don't like a guy even if he scores 50 goals. Keep Ryder, keep Riberio...much better than having Jokinen.

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10-31-2005, 01:42 AM
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So you don't like Riberio and you decide to trade Ryder????

Ok....

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10-31-2005, 02:32 AM
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Come on guys, you should have understood it quickly. I guess I should have been more clear. I accept the responsibility.

After getting jokinen why would MTL keep Ribs because they got the guy who will replace him. I did not develop further because I am only interested in getting Jokinen, and to do so youhave to give something good. WE can trade ribs andf a high pick for a team that needs skill for a very good dman which we are lacking.

Why I don't like ribs. Poor defense, no toughness, slow skater, no character. He will help you getto playoffs, but one in playoffs, I really don't know. He has the skills for sure, but jokinen can bring that and more.

Don't get me worng guys, it hurts me to trade ryder because it is good to see a good player that we picked down low ( I think 6 th round) become a 2nd line sniper. ryder is for sure a 30g-30a player. I have no doubt what so ever that he is for real.

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10-31-2005, 02:50 AM
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Why I don't like ribs. Poor defense, no toughness, slow skater, no character. He will help you getto playoffs, but one in playoffs, I really don't know. He has the skills for sure, but jokinen can bring that and more.
Olli Jokinen has exactly 0 career playoff points.

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10-31-2005, 04:08 AM
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0 points in 0 games.

Ribeiro has 1 goal in 11 play-off games, I think it's pretty safe to assume Jokinen would do better than that.

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10-31-2005, 06:44 AM
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I doubth we'll be moving our captain. He's a UFA to be too.

Going more into the season seeing how Panthers season goes I wouldnt mind doing this deal as Jokinen could return here via UFA. He really wants to stay in Florida

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So you don't like Riberio and you decide to trade Ryder????

Ok....
He's a Florida Fan. Shocking that an inane trade proposal thread involving the Habs wasnt started by a Habs fan.

Oh, and the trade is very one sided in favor of Florida. Ryder is younger, cheaper and better than Jokinen.

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He's a Florida Fan. Shocking that an inane trade proposal thread involving the Habs wasnt started by a Habs fan.

Oh, and the trade is very one sided in favor of Florida. Ryder is younger, cheaper and better than Jokinen.
Hehe.. When I started to the read the post I couldnt find out which team he is rooting for and I've never noticed him on the Panthers board

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Oh, and the trade is very one sided in favor of Florida. Ryder is younger, cheaper and better than Jokinen.
Ryder is younger and cheaper but he most certainly isn't better than Jokinen, in fact Jokinen is head and shoulders above Ryder.

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0 points in 0 games.

Ribeiro has 1 goal in 11 play-off games, I think it's pretty safe to assume Jokinen would do better than that.

No...it is not safe to assume this. Until Jokinen played some playoff games, no conclusion can be made on his potential.

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0 points in 0 games.

Ribeiro has 1 goal in 11 play-off games, I think it's pretty safe to assume Jokinen would do better than that.
2 goals, 1 assist actually.

Ryder for Jokinen? As a habs fan, where do I sign?

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Anthony Stewart !!!

For CH the possibility of acquiring a guy as Anthony Stewart would be the ideal. Large, extremely, intense and talented. Ryder and Jokinen that does not compare the player of Panthers is higher and he is a leader. Stewart vs Plekanec and 2ieme choice 2006 .Panthers misses speed and one large attacker, can be the acquisition of a veteran has defense could help Panthers has to move... Souray,Plekanec vs Stewart, Karpotsev

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For CH the possibility of acquiring a guy as Anthony Stewart would be the ideal. Large, extremely, intense and talented. Ryder and Jokinen that does not compare the player of Panthers is higher and he is a leader. Stewart vs Plekanec and 2ieme choice 2006 .Panthers misses speed and one large attacker, can be the acquisition of a veteran has defense could help Panthers has to move... Souray,Plekanec vs Stewart, Karpotsev
good lord. what was that?

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6'3 1st line center >>>> 2nd line winger

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Guy Caballero
Olli Jokinen has exactly 0 career playoff points.
In 0 games... You're point?

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6'3 1st line center >>>> 2nd line winger

By the way I am a diehard habs fan. Yes Jokinen is a first line winger but from what I hear he has been playing left wing with weiss. Yes Jokinen is a first liner, but he is not an elite centerman like Thornton or PRince Vince. Also Ryder can play first line for sure. Actually, 2 years ago he played left wing with Koivu and zednik to bring more spice to their line, and he did quite well.

the idea from my proposl is that Joki > ryder but not much, and you get somthing instead of losing him

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How come everytime I check the trade proposals it's always MTL - XXX and it always sucks?

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In 0 games... You're point?
I think his point was that, in respone to the original poster who said Ribeiro will help you get to the playoffs but won't do anything in them, he replied by saying at least he helped them get there.

It's fair logic considering what the original poster stated, but when you take into account the fact that he played most of his career on mediocre teams, it's obviously not fair.

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He's a Florida Fan. Shocking that an inane trade proposal thread involving the Habs wasnt started by a Habs fan.

Oh, and the trade is very one sided in favor of Florida. Ryder is younger, cheaper and better than Jokinen.
I, a Habs fan, don't agree with the 'better' part. Jokinen is the better all round player.

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For CH the possibility of acquiring a guy as Anthony Stewart would be the ideal. Large, extremely, intense and talented. Ryder and Jokinen that does not compare the player of Panthers is higher and he is a leader. Stewart vs Plekanec and 2ieme choice 2006 .Panthers misses speed and one large attacker, can be the acquisition of a veteran has defense could help Panthers has to move... Souray,Plekanec vs Stewart, Karpotsev

I see exactly where you are going... I mean... I don't...


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I see exactly where you are going... I mean... I don't...

he just skipped the part that said "this proposal sucks.. this is better"

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Why would Habs trade their young "sniper" for an older player who is about to become an UFA? Don't like this one at all.

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Come on guys, you should have understood it quickly. I guess I should have been more clear. I accept the responsibility.

After getting jokinen why would MTL keep Ribs because they got the guy who will replace him. I did not develop further because I am only interested in getting Jokinen, and to do so youhave to give something good. WE can trade ribs andf a high pick for a team that needs skill for a very good dman which we are lacking.
so let me get this straight.
You hate Ribeiro, so you trade Ryder for Jokinen so Jokinen can replace Ribeiro on whatever line he is on.
But that still leaves you with Ribeiro, and now a hole on the wing where Ryder was.
And Jokinen may be gone after the year because of his UFA status. So if you lose Jokinen, then you're left with Ribiero, no Jokinen and no Ryder.

yeah...

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