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11-04-2005, 03:42 PM
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PROPOSAL: Leafs/Ducks

TO ANA: Nik Antropov + Carlo Colaiacovo + 2nd

TO TOR: Keith Carney + Ryan Getzlaf

Would help the Leafs tighten up the blueline.

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11-04-2005, 03:47 PM
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TO ANA: Nik Antropov + Carlo Colaiacovo + 2nd

TO TOR: Keith Carney + Ryan Getzlaf

Would help the Leafs tighten up the blueline.
Sure, this would help the Leafs. However, there are two teams in a deal. And, there would be no reason at all for the Ducks to do this.

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How about Cola + 7th for Vishnevski + 5th.

Or no picks at all.

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How about Cola + 7th for Vishnevski + 5th.

Or no picks at all.
Why would the Ducks do this? Cola has shown very little to this point. After three years in the AHL, he still can't get a regular position in the NHL. Vish is a young, but well established, physical blueliner.

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TO ANA: Nik Antropov + Carlo Colaiacovo + 2nd

TO TOR: Keith Carney + Ryan Getzlaf

Would help the Leafs tighten up the blueline.
Brian Burke won't wanna part with a blue-chipper like Getzlaf

I think Antropov+ a 4th round pick would do it for Keith Carney.

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Why would the Ducks do this? Cola has shown very little to this point. After three years in the AHL, he still can't get a regular position in the NHL. Vish is a young, but well established, physical blueliner.
Then what would it take for Vish?

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11-04-2005, 03:57 PM
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Nothing. The Ducks won't move him.

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Why would the ducks do this?

Carney > Antropuff
Getzlaf > Carlo

Leafs make out like bandits!

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Brian Burke won't wanna part with a blue-chipper like Getzlaf

I think Antropov+ a 4th round pick would do it for Keith Carney.
Why would the Ducks do that? Carney is a very valuable player for them right now, and a key cog if they want to make the playoffs. Why give him up for a player they probably wouldn't want (Antropov) and a 4th pick? Makes no sense, from their perspective.

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Brian Burke won't wanna part with a blue-chipper like Getzlaf

I think Antropov+ a 4th round pick would do it for Keith Carney.
I doubt it, it doesn't make the ducks any better.

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How about Cola + 7th for Vishnevski + 5th.

Or no picks at all.
Vishnevsky is clearly better then Colaiacovo, and Cola's upside is probably only marginally bette then that and it's far from certain he'll ever amount to anything like what Vishnevsky provides.

At this point Vishnevsky is far far more valuable then Colaiacovo IMO.
I'm not sure Cola has substantial value anymore, he's more likely to be a solid add on in any trade then the main focus of one.

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11-04-2005, 05:45 PM
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I am not sure how much value Coliacovo holds at this point. He is coming off a below average AHL season statistically, and couldn't even make the Leafs defence.

Coliacovo's value is continually dropping.

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Getzlaf is not going anywhere, unless Steen is comning back. Nice try, though. Let me guess.....you are a Leafs fan, right?

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Terrible proposal for Anaheim.

Carney has been great this season, he loves it in Anaheim and will most likely re-sign for 2 or 3 years to finish his career here.

Getzlaf is the future of the Ducks franchise along with Perry, Ryan and Smid. He is not going anywhere, Burke loves him.

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Then what would it take for Vish?
nothing, they need him to take Salei's 2nd pairing physical d-man spot next year when/if Salei leaves as a UFA.

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I think Antropov+ a 4th round pick would do it for Keith Carney.
Carney has been great so far. He isn't going anywhere. The only scenario would be at the trade deadline if someone greatly overpaid for him and the Ducks were out of the playoff race...which is unlikely as the trade deadline has been moved up and the Ducks are at least a .500 team w/o Fedorov and Ozolinsh.

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TO ANA: Nik Antropov + Carlo Colaiacovo + 2nd

TO TOR: Keith Carney + Ryan Getzlaf

Would help the Leafs tighten up the blueline.

It's not that bad of a deal, like everyone is saying, but at the same time I can't see it happening. Getzlaf, as of now, has too much promise. Carney, would be easy to pluck from them as he seems to be in all of their rumours and is getting up there in age (36 i think). I wouldn't part with much to get him

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It's not that bad of a deal, like everyone is saying, but at the same time I can't see it happening. Getzlaf, as of now, has too much promise. Carney, would be easy to pluck from them as he seems to be in all of their rumours and is getting up there in age (36 i think). I wouldn't part with much to get him
Carney could help virtually any team in the NHL, and I haven't seen any real evidence that Anaheim wants to move him.

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Carney could help virtually any team in the NHL, and I haven't seen any real evidence that Anaheim wants to move him.
I remember the many rumours around him and Toronton, until Toronto got themselves Leetch.

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Why would the Ducks do this? Cola has shown very little to this point. After three years in the AHL, he still can't get a regular position in the NHL. Vish is a young, but well established, physical blueliner.
I think that if we don't give Cola icetime or trade him soon, he'll lose confidence in himself and bust.

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It's not that bad of a deal, like everyone is saying, but at the same time I can't see it happening. Getzlaf, as of now, has too much promise. Carney, would be easy to pluck from them as he seems to be in all of their rumours and is getting up there in age (36 i think). I wouldn't part with much to get him
It's a terrible deal for the Ducks, that's a fact.

Cola's value is dropping like a stone, he can't make it to the Leafs defense over guys like Belak, Berg etc. That's bad.

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I still can't believe Antropov, Cola and Getzlaf were even mentioned in the same breath. Burke wouldn't give up Getzlaf for both let alone throw in Carney.

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It's a terrible deal for the Ducks, that's a fact.

Cola's value is dropping like a stone, he can't make it to the Leafs defense over guys like Belak, Berg etc. That's bad.
Maybe because of things like "waivers" "injury" and 1 and 2 way "contracts"

I love it when other teams fans pretend to know about the Leaf situation

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Cola's value is dropping like a stone, he can't make it to the Leafs defense over guys like Belak, Berg etc. That's bad.
While the deal is still a bad one, Carlo is indeed the better player over those two mentioned. There are numerous issues holding him in the AHL, but while his stock may have sunk, it has not sunk that much

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For getzlaf, no way you would get him right now from the Ducks for those players.....probably not for anything unless it was a higher-ranked prospect. He is arguably the top prospect in the Ducks' organization right now.

I see no reason for them to move Carney or Vish right now either...Carney plays very solid for them and Vish is starting to turn up the hits.

This trade is useless to the Ducks.

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Maybe because of things like "waivers" "injury" and 1 and 2 way "contracts"

I love it when other teams fans pretend to know about the Leaf situation

Waivers? ... What you're saying is that your coach doesn't believe he can keep a fulltime job on your team ahead of Berg, Belak, etc.

He's a 22 year old 1st round pick on a team with defensive problems. He can be a UFA by 27, so the team doesn't gain anything by keeping a 22 yo in the minors if he is truly better players who actually made the team.
One-way deals? Waive those players an send them down. Money isn't a problem in Toronto and it may even alleviate some cap pressure.

Your scenario doesn't make sense. Either your coach and GM are idiots/don't want to make the playoffs or Carlo isn't really that great.

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