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10-10-2003, 04:51 PM
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Somebody convince Pittsburgh to let Fleury go back to the Q

This kid is looking at nearly 50 shots against tonight. This is anything bu good for a 18 year old kid. Play him for 30 games and have him get shelled for a 4.00 gaa and a .750 sv %?? Why? Why no leave hiin junior, the Pens won't do anything better with Caron and Fleury than they would with Caron and Aubin, why risk causing harm to your 18 year old future?

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True, but you don't get better as a goalie by not facing shots.

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yeah, he really proved he doesn't belong in the NHL tonight

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yeah, he really proved he doesn't belong in the NHL tonight
Is that to my response?

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He kinda single-handedly kept us in the game. 49 saves is really something.

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The problem with letting Fleury stay up is he has a few kinks in his game (as all young goalies do). It's easy and more effective for him to work out those flaws in the minors or in juniors. You can work on things in those leagues and not get toasted because your talent will keep in you in it. But in the NHL, if you want to win games, it's a lot harder to work on your game as an 18 year old. Of course, that is if Pittsburgh even cares about winning RIGHT now. I'm not so sure they do.

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Is that to my response?
no, it was in response to the topic.

You can't convince me that Fleury should go back to the juniors, at this point, for any reason. He just came off a game in which he faced 51 shots (the 52nd was an empty netter) and stopped all but 2 of them. The Pens were outshot by 42 and he kept them in the game from the start. Fleury looked like a 28 year old vet in his prime, not an 18 year old making his debut.

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This kid is looking at nearly 50 shots against tonight. This is anything bu good for a 18 year old kid. Play him for 30 games and have him get shelled for a 4.00 gaa and a .750 sv %?? Why? Why no leave hiin junior, the Pens won't do anything better with Caron and Fleury than they would with Caron and Aubin, why risk causing harm to your 18 year old future?
There is no reason to assume he will have a 0.75 sv %. Most goalies like lots of shots. GAA might be brutal though, but that is definately a team stat in a case like this.

I think it all boils down to how they view his maturity. If he himself feels there is no point in playing in the Q, having him up there is better. I don't belive you will give a young goalie damages by having him play on a bad team. It is much worse for forwards or defensemen who are not physically ready.

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As it stands his save percentage is 96%

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Well it aint gunna stay that way playing for the penguins

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Sweet Jesus. Outshot 48-11. Fleury was downright amazing.

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I was looking at the Bruins/Bolts game but flipped a little to the Pens game (saw the early goal).

The problem is, the Pens were facing a decimated Kings squad. Pittsburgh is in for a loooong season and they will face teams with infinitly more firepower.

It would be best to decide what to do with Fleury (for his good and for the good of the team) after 5-6 more games at the very least.

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Sweet Jesus. Outshot 48-11. Fleury was downright amazing.
Agree with that. The kid was great all night.

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Fleury was more than awesome tonight. And to bounce right back from that first goal is even further evidence that he's just ready to play at this level. It was astounding that the Pens were still in the game halfway through the third; most of it was a joke.

He's going to see lots of shots everynight, and he'll lose more than his fair share of games. But if his play doesn't falter, I say do not send him back. He's sharpening his NHL chops.

Failing a meltdown, which is possible but unlikely, juniors won't do a thing for him.

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10-10-2003, 05:42 PM
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As for the Pens, as awful as they looked, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Opening night, five rookies and a rookie coach, and 12 days since their last preseason game.

Hey, last season they lost the opener 6-0. So, we're making progress.

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Let's not 'cast' Fleury into the not-ready role just because he is 18 years-old. Every rule has a few exceptions and the Pens have a few games to find out if he is one of them. Every player responds a different way to challenges. One teenage player is not the same as another.

He's got sensational talent and I'm sure the Pens will be monitering closer than anybody how he is responding to every new obstacle.

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Fleury was great tonight. The hard part about playing an 18 year old goaltender is keeping his confidence up all season. Night's like this will go along way to help

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The problem is, the Pens were facing a decimated Kings squad. Pittsburgh is in for a loooong season and they will face teams with infinitly more firepower.

When do the Avs come to town? The horror!

Too bad this is the Kings last shot at the Pens this year.

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10-10-2003, 06:02 PM
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There is a chance, albeit a small one, that the Pens can improve into more of a competitive team. They did make it a game in the third.

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I was at the game. It was without a doubt the best performance I've ever seen a goalie toss in. That's seen in live, rebroadcast from old games, or seeing on TV. He was ****ing incredible.

Stopped Frolov on the doorstep. Point blank one timer. He was square to the shot, it was incredible.

Stopping Palfy on a breakaway.

Stopping a penalty shot. Anyone who thinks he isn't ready for the pros is an idiot. I can't stress that anymore. If he plays anything like this for the rest of the season I don't care if we have to trade half the team to pay him.

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10-10-2003, 06:12 PM
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Anyone who thinks he isn't ready for the pros is an idiot. I can't stress that anymore. If he plays anything like this for the rest of the season I don't care if we have to trade half the team to pay him.

Have to agree. In fact, I agree so strongly that I think you should change your avatar to a Fleury pic.

Then again, maybe I'm just a bitter Kings/Gleason fan.

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10-10-2003, 06:14 PM
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Being ready for the pros is one thing. Fleury has probably proven that he is. But let's see after a few more games if he's still up to play behind the Penguins defense.

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Have to agree. In fact, I agree so strongly that I think you should change your avatar to a Fleury pic.

Then again, maybe I'm just a bitter Kings/Gleason fan.
I would, but Brooks is my man.

Questionable hit or not, Brooks has been one of my favorite Pens prospects/players since he was drafted.

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I was at the game tonight and Fleury was amazing. Even though we lost, it was a great game. Fleury really kept the crowd into it throughout the whole game.

While I agree that someone like the Avs will be harder. Fleury had probably 30-35 great saves. He literally amazed me at how well he played.

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The Q is no better. Q is a scoring league and he would face a ton of shots there. Look at his save % and his gaa last year. He got peppered.

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