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11-06-2005, 05:46 PM
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Minnesota - Edmonton - Chicago Proposal

TO EDMONTON:
Nikolai Khabibulin (6.75 mils)

TO CHICAGO:
Mike Peca (3.99 mils)
Manny Fernandez (1.67 mils)

TO MINNESOTA:
Ty Conklin (1.14 mils)
Alex Semenov (0.76 mils)
Chicago 3rd Rounder


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Edmonton's problem - No #1 goalie & Peca's salary is too large
Chicago's problem - Khabibulin costs way too much and is disappointing
Minnesota's problem - Two #1 goalies & lack of servicable defensemen


For Edmonton: Gets a bonafide #1 goalie and dumps Peca's enormous salary
For Chicago: Dumps Khabibulin's massive salary and gains a star defensive center
For Minnesota: Alleviates having two #1 goalies while getting a solid backup and a great young defenseman

Answers every team's needs


Salary Changes:
Edmonton gains 0.86 mils
Minnesota gains 0.23 mils
Chicago sheds 1.1 mils

Division Changes:
Minnesota doesn't deal Edmonton anything significant
Edmonton only deals Minnesota Semenov, a young defenseman

No significant salary changes or divisional moves


As a Minnesota fan, I'd do this deal since Roloson can easily play 65 games so we're basically trading 15 games of Fernandez for 15 games of Conklin, who is a decent backup. We also get a young defenseman in Semenov, who can immediately step into a top 4 role and demand a top 3 role within 3 years. The 3rd rounder is also a plus. The only problem is that we'll be playing Edmonton many times throughout the season. But overall, I'd be willing to make this deal.

What do you guys think?


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So Edmonton dumps an expensive UFA, a goalie now in the AHL and injured plus a defenseman who hasn't lived up to anything and they get a legit #1 goalie back? Oilers make out like bandits...

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So Edmonton dumps an expensive UFA, a goalie now in the AHL and injured plus a defenseman who hasn't lived up to anything and they get a legit #1 goalie back? Oilers make out like bandits...
Khabibulin is paid 6.75 mils for the next four years and has been disappointing thus far.

He isn't worth much.

If you ask some Chicago fans, they'll give you a better idea of what Khabibulin is worth to them.

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I have 'bulin in my pool and I don't think he's worth much either, even when I don't pay his salary. Maybe he could find himself in Edmonton.

If I were the Wild I would trade Roloson first and keep Manny, plus I don't think the return for Minnesota is good enough.

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Chicago also doesn't give up enough, seeing as they unload the absolute worst "return on investment" in the NHL, considering his salary. Peca is not much better but he's much cheaper 'bulin and easier to compensate for.


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11-06-2005, 06:03 PM
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Khabibulin is paid 6.75 mils for the next four years and has been disappointing thus far.

He isn't worth much.

If you ask some Chicago fans, they'll give you a better idea of what Khabibulin is worth to them.

This Chicago fan would LOVE this deal

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this is probably the best looking 3 team deal proposal i've ever seen on hf.


good stuff!

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Why would Edmonton want an overpaid goalie that sucks right now when dirt cheap Jussi Fruit's coming into his own. Sure Conklin would be nice to dump for just about anything but we already have one 6 million dollar player, and at least he's back in form. Oh yeah, I thought Semenov looked pretty good (even though it was a blow-out) getting an assist and a goal, you must be thinking of Cross/Ulanov.

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I wouldn't do that from an Oilers perspective. As disappointing as Peca has been he's a UFA this upcoming off-season... so we free up that 3.99$ million that we're giving him. 'Jussi Fruit' has looked above average as a starter, we just need a solid backup. And Semenov looked pretty good in the blowout and if he can keep that up then he'll be a top 4 D-man by next year.

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11-06-2005, 06:24 PM
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Exactly. Peca's contract expires at the end of the season, if he does come back it will be at a substancialy reduced rate. If anything a solid back-up like Fernandez is who the Oil would be targeting although it would be unlikely that Minnesota would trade him here.

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So Edmonton dumps an expensive UFA, a goalie now in the AHL and injured plus a defenseman who hasn't lived up to anything and they get a legit #1 goalie back? Oilers make out like bandits...
Count me as an Oiler fan who wants no part of this deal or Khabibulin's ridiculous contract....

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Where do we sign up for this.

I will personally pack his bags and drive Khabibulin to the airport.

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Would Oiler fans do a deal of Peca for Khabiblin + 2nd?

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Would Oiler fans do a deal of Peca for Khabiblin + 2nd?
No how - no way we are touching that contract - Chicago's stuck with that puppy

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Exactly. Peca's contract expires at the end of the season, if he does come back it will be at a substancialy reduced rate. If anything a solid back-up like Fernandez is who the Oil would be targeting although it would be unlikely that Minnesota would trade him here.
I agree. I think the proposal was well thought out, but the length of Khabibulin's contract makes the deal very unlikely.

It's a sad day when the fans talk about having to add a 2nd round pick to get rid of the goalie who just won the Stanley Cup. Remember the good old days when you traded talent-for-talent?

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The Oilers won't be trading a defenseman at this time. They've got 3 defenseman out with injury and had to call 2 defenseman up from the AHL. The defense is already thin because of injury. Conklin is out with a groin injury and could be out a while. The worst time to do trades is when a team is riddled with injury.

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The Oilers won't be trading a defenseman at this time. They've got 3 defenseman out with injury and had to call 2 defenseman up from the AHL. The defense is already thin because of injury. Conklin is out with a groin injury and could be out a while. The worst time to do trades is when a team is riddled with injury.
From an oiler fan perspective, this deal stinks. We are not giving up too much, but we are taking on way to much salary. Jussi has played better then most keepers in last 6 games. He may still be a questionable starter, but I would rather have him the Khabi right now if they were being paid the same amount. If we trade Peca I don't think we want an underachiever in return for him. The GM's out there know what Peca brings to the table anf I think we could do better for him. That being said, if Khabi turns it around he could easily be the best tender int he league and I am eating my words. But even then, it is a lot of money.

Semenov will prove to be a solid top four d man for the oilers by seasons end.

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For the few of us in Chicago that have not contemplated slashing our wrists, I'm sure we:
a) would not be able to find someone to take the contract
b) will be better off with him later this season.
After his last extended vacation (holdout with Phoenix, I believe), it took quite awhile to regain his form.

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From an oiler fan perspective, this deal stinks. We are not giving up too much, but we are taking on way to much salary. Jussi has played better then most keepers in last 6 games. He may still be a questionable starter, but I would rather have him the Khabi right now if they were being paid the same amount. If we trade Peca I don't think we want an underachiever in return for him. The GM's out there know what Peca brings to the table anf I think we could do better for him. That being said, if Khabi turns it around he could easily be the best tender int he league and I am eating my words. But even then, it is a lot of money.

Semenov will prove to be a solid top four d man for the oilers by seasons end.
Plus his contract is way too high. He's making $6.75M. With that contract, the Oilers would be way to close to the CAP and would be doing the same thing as the Canucks in regards to call-ups. With the injuries the Oilers are going through this early in the season, this doesn't even make sense.

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Oilers don't need another contract like that unless it was a legit top line centre


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Minnesota won't do this trade, why? Because we don't need a backup. Harding is fine...

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Wow, this would be freakin' amazing for us

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So Edmonton dumps an expensive UFA, a goalie now in the AHL and injured plus a defenseman who hasn't lived up to anything and they get a legit #1 goalie back? Oilers make out like bandits...
Are you kidding me??? What makes you think that Khabibulin is worth $6.75 million??? and for 4 years no-less!!! I wouldn't trade Jesse Niinimaki for that contract!!! Even Luongo would be hard pressed to get that kind of coin after Khabibulin's implosion this year.

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Markkanen is outplaying Khabibulin by a huge margin. (Markkanen also kicked Khabibulin's *** last year in the Russian Super League, btw.)

We can't afford to trade Semenov while our #4, #5, and #6 defensemen are all on injured reserve.

Peca's a UFA at the end of the season and his $3.99 million is off the books. Even if Peca is not producing offensively, his contract isn't a long-term problem for the team. If Khabibulin doesn't start performing, his contract is a *huge* long-term problem for whichever team is cutting his cheques.

Whichever team acquires Khabibulin (and it won't be the Oilers) is going to be taking a huge gamble. Whichever team acquires Khabibulin will expect some reward for taking on that risk.

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So Edmonton dumps an expensive UFA, a goalie now in the AHL and injured plus a defenseman who hasn't lived up to anything and they get a legit #1 goalie back? Oilers make out like bandits...
This is an absolutely terrible deal for Edmonton. There is no way Lowe would even entertain making a deal for Khabibulin. I know stats don't typically tell the whole story but it's hard to justify a player with these numbers having any value at all:

Nikolai Khabibulin
13 Games Played
4 Wins, 9 Losses
3.83 GAA
.854 SVP
0 Shutouts

Peca's contract is fairly large but it expires at the end of the season which is very nice. He hasn't been a great offensive player but I think he'll look very good on the third line with Stoll and Horcoff playing good in top 6 roles. He was starting to be used a lot more in a defensive role before his injury and I expect that to continue tommorrow night in Dallas.

Edmonton doesn't need a bonafide #1 goaltender, they need a decent backup/1b starter to play with Markkanen.

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Chicago made a BIG commitment to Khabibulin. They signed him to a large contract because he'll play well for them in the long term and they believe the team can be built around him. They're not going to change the direction of the team 10 games into the season. No GM in his right mind would sign a player to a big contract in the off season only to trade him less than a quarter into the season. Doing so is pretty much admitting that you haven't a clue about how to run your team.

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