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04-28-2015, 09:09 AM
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Kuznetsov is Fedorov-lite. His stride is smoother than a baby's skin, he's got those quick hands and the shiftiness of Fed.

Did you see in game 5 when he broke Strait's ankles with a simple cut back move ?

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04-28-2015, 09:34 AM
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Kid had some shoulder injuries early in career. He knows time isn't umlimited, he knows some pain. Also he lost his former coach (Belousov)... and he started scoring in playoffs just after that.

He's tough mentally apparently.

The fact that he's skilled not much less than Datsyuk was known for 5 years already.

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04-28-2015, 09:40 AM
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my wife didn't even watch the game...but after the GW Goal she yelled from upstairs that she needed to take a pregnancy test.

Positive.

Kuzy's the father.

Not even mad.
uhhhh, Congratulations?

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Talk about a player always saying the right thing. On and off the ice, he is dominating. I want to see him on PP1. Yes, sorry new superstar MJ.

A sign of a great player? Most of the opposition is laying on the ice as a goal is scored. Pretty much singlehanded, of course. Who walks out in front from the half wall? To the far side even?

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04-28-2015, 10:21 AM
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Talk about a player always saying the right thing. On and off the ice, he is dominating. I want to see him on PP1. Yes, sorry new superstar MJ.

A sign of a great player? Most of the opposition is laying on the ice as a goal is scored. Pretty much singlehanded, of course. Who walks out in front from the half wall? To the far side even?

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It reminds me of Semin.

If anyone needs to be taken off the PP, Brouwer is your man.

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04-28-2015, 10:44 AM
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Who walks out in front from the half wall? To the far side even?
A man who has no faith in his wingers.

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04-28-2015, 10:49 AM
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It reminds me of Semin.

If anyone needs to be taken off the PP, Brouwer is your man.
Brouwer and Kuznetsov are not interchangeable parts on the PP. You need a RH shot in the slot for our powerplay formation. LH Kuzy can't one-time the puck from Johansson or Backstrom in that position.

I like Kuzy acting as the QB of PP2. Johansson fits his role as puck carrier/zone entry specialist just fine. Kuznetsov is not going to displace Backstrom as PPQB on PP1, and burying him beneath the goal line doesn't really do much for me. Johansson can execute that aspect as well as Kuznetsov can.

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04-28-2015, 10:53 AM
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Brouwer and Kuznetsov are not interchangeable parts on the PP. You need a RH shot in the slot for our powerplay formation. LH Kuzy can't one-time the puck from Johansson or Backstrom in that position.

I like Kuzy acting as the QB of PP2. Johansson fits his role as puck carrier/zone entry specialist just fine. Kuznetsov is not going to displace Backstrom as PPQB on PP1, and burying him beneath the goal line doesn't really do much for me. Johansson can execute that aspect as well as Kuznetsov can.
Personally think Kuznetsov is better on the half-wall than Backstrom. Backstrom down low in Mojo's spot would be lethal.

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04-28-2015, 11:03 AM
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Brouwer and Kuznetsov are not interchangeable parts on the PP. You need a RH shot in the slot for our powerplay formation. LH Kuzy can't one-time the puck from Johansson or Backstrom in that position.

I like Kuzy acting as the QB of PP2. Johansson fits his role as puck carrier/zone entry specialist just fine. Kuznetsov is not going to displace Backstrom as PPQB on PP1, and burying him beneath the goal line doesn't really do much for me. Johansson can execute that aspect as well as Kuznetsov can.
Yes, but Kuzy could rotate up to the top of the circle to provide another shooting option. Everyone can shoot on PP1, except for Mojo. For a quick burst of offence, putting Kuzma on PP1 is a good move.

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Personally think Kuznetsov is better on the half-wall than Backstrom. Backstrom down low in Mojo's spot would be lethal.
Backstrom is the best player in the league on the right half wall. Kuzma is good, but doesn't have the same quality on his saucer passes as Backstrom. Backstrom has 5 options that he executes very well on the half wall :

1) Backhand saucer pass to Carlson to setup the Ovechcannon.
2) Give and go with Mojo down low, to find a lane for an Ovechkin backdoor goal
3) One touch pass to set up Brouwer
4) Cross ice saucer pass straight to Ovi.
5) Ovechkin goes to the net to screen the goalie, Backstrom shoots and scores.

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04-28-2015, 11:15 AM
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Brouwer and Kuznetsov are not interchangeable parts on the PP. You need a RH shot in the slot for our powerplay formation. LH Kuzy can't one-time the puck from Johansson or Backstrom in that position.

I like Kuzy acting as the QB of PP2. Johansson fits his role as puck carrier/zone entry specialist just fine. Kuznetsov is not going to displace Backstrom as PPQB on PP1, and burying him beneath the goal line doesn't really do much for me. Johansson can execute that aspect as well as Kuznetsov can.
Well then change up the PP. It never really generated a ton of good looks against the Islanders anyway. Keeping the same formation without having a good triggerman in Brouwer's spot is folly.

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04-28-2015, 12:02 PM
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Pump the breaks on the hype train just a little bit, okay?
Yeah I'm very happy with Kuznetsov's play these days but it seems there is plenty of going overboard around here. I'll continue to take a wait and see approach but sure so far so good.

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Well then change up the PP. It never really generated a ton of good looks against the Islanders anyway. Keeping the same formation without having a good triggerman in Brouwer's spot is folly.
I've always wondered how swapping him out with either Green or Niskanen would work? Green especially.

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04-28-2015, 12:06 PM
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Backstrom is the best player in the league on the right half wall. Kuzma is good, but doesn't have the same quality on his saucer passes as Backstrom. Backstrom has 5 options that he executes very well on the half wall :

1) Backhand saucer pass to Carlson to setup the Ovechcannon.
2) Give and go with Mojo down low, to find a lane for an Ovechkin backdoor goal
3) One touch pass to set up Brouwer
4) Cross ice saucer pass straight to Ovi.
5) Ovechkin goes to the net to screen the goalie, Backstrom shoots and scores.
Disagree on Backstrom. He's a bit too plodding and deliberate on in the spot, and is the reason why PP1 gets stagnant at times. Kuznetsov keeps things moving much more effectively.

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04-28-2015, 12:14 PM
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Yeah I'm very happy with Kuznetsov's play these days but it seems there is plenty of going overboard around here. I'll continue to take a wait and see approach but sure so far so good.
Damn, no fun allowed huh.

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Talk about a player always saying the right thing. On and off the ice, he is dominating. I want to see him on PP1. Yes, sorry new superstar MJ.

A sign of a great player? Most of the opposition is laying on the ice as a goal is scored. Pretty much singlehanded, of course. Who walks out in front from the half wall? To the far side even?

Stud move
That acceleration is quite hard to do when you are curling like that. There was no way I thought he had the burst to find that seem. Not many players can pull that off and protect the puck like he did while doing it not to mention finish that play.

We've seen him absolutely dominate at the WJCs. We've heard him be a top end player in the KHL. We saw flashes in his NHL stint and those flashes increased as his experience has.

He's pretty much been a force and I think we are going to score everytime he is on the ice at this point.

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Well then change up the PP. It never really generated a ton of good looks against the Islanders anyway. Keeping the same formation without having a good triggerman in Brouwer's spot is folly.
Just to make this clear, you're suggesting completely changing up the powerplay formation that has been #1 in the league for the past three seasons in order to shoehorn in Kuznetsov because it went cold for a few games against one team? Am I getting you right?

I love adding new wrinkles and making minor changes, but you've gone off the deep end here. Trying to re-invent the powerplay in the middle of a playoff run is a recipe for disaster on it's own, but this is the best powerplay in the league you're talking about. This formation has proven to be effective with the players we have for 200 games now. You don't blow it up because of a few games.

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Just to make this clear, you're suggesting completely changing up the powerplay formation that has been #1 in the league for the past three seasons in order to shoehorn in Kuznetsov because it went cold for a few games against one team? Am I getting you right?

I love adding new wrinkles and making minor changes, but you've gone off the deep end here. Trying to re-invent the powerplay in the middle of a playoff run is a recipe for disaster on it's own, but this is the best powerplay in the league you're talking about. This formation has proven to be effective with the players we have for 200 games now. You don't blow it up because of a few games.
The Isles' PK was very effective against the world's greatest PP. They laid out a good blueprint for how to attack the current scheme. Has everyone completely forgotten what happened against Montreal? 1-for-33. The world's greatest PP did the world's biggest faceplant because they didn't have a plan B.

Brouwer has gone into hiding again, which allowed the Isles to play off him and pressure elsewhere. If the Caps have no one to replace Brouwer, why continue forward with a neutered version of the world's bestest PP?

I would like to hope that the team has practiced different formations at some point over the course of the season. If not, shame on them. Leaving the team's most effective offensive weapon so for this postseason on the bench in lieu of Brouwer is crazy. I doubt they get a ton of chances on the PP against the Rangers. Having Brouwer shank one-timers while Kuz sits on the bench is a waste of everyone else on PP1.

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As a big fan of Kuznetsov and as someone who followed Kuznetsov in the KHL I can say that he will never be another Sergei Fedorov. Fedorov circa 1990-2000 was the best two-way center in the world and one of the best players overall in the world. Kuznetsov does not have that kind of an ability. First, he lacks the straight away speed that Fedorov had. He also lacks Fedorov's shot and his overall skating ability. I also rank Fedorov's playmaking and hockey sense a notch above Kuznetsov.

Kuznetsov hasn't shown the consistency through his career that was evident with Fedorov from his early years in CSKA Moscow throughout his whole career. In the KHL Kuznetsov was invisible for long stretches while having good, even great games, every now and then.

Kuznetsov's talent is undeniable. I think Kuznetsov possesses more raw talent than Vladimir Tarasenko. He could be one of the best players in the league, but he will never reach Fedorov's level.

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Damn, no fun allowed huh.
None whatsoever. Act like you've been there before...

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As a big fan of Kuznetsov and as someone who followed Kuznetsov in the KHL I can say that he will never be another Sergei Fedorov. Fedorov circa 1990-2000 was the best two-way center in the world and one of the best players overall in the world. Kuznetsov does not have that kind of an ability. First, he lacks the straight away speed that Fedorov had. He also lacks Fedorov's shot and his overall skating ability. I also rank Fedorov's playmaking and hockey sense a notch above Kuznetsov.

Kuznetsov hasn't shown the consistency through his career that was evident with Fedorov from his early years in CSKA Moscow throughout his whole career. In the KHL Kuznetsov was invisible for long stretches while having good, even great games, every now and then.

Kuznetsov's talent is undeniable. I think Kuznetsov possesses more raw talent than Vladimir Tarasenko. He could be one of the best players in the league, but he will never reach Fedorov's level.
Have you seen Kuznetsov skate recently? He's an absolutely elite NHL skater. He blows by opposition with his speed, and Skinner and Kane are the only ones that come to mind that have comparable ability on their edges. Skating is the last thing that would hold him back from being the next Fedorov.

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Don't know if Kuz can quite reach Fedorov-level of skating power, coverage and efficiency, but he's more shifty and creative with his moves.

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It reminds me of Semin.

If anyone needs to be taken off the PP, Brouwer is your man.
It was a Semin pre Bruce move. I used to count the guys Semin would have to beat, to score. He often schooled 3 4 even 5 guys counting the goalie, since he really had no linemates. Heck, teammates.

I must admit, even the flighty flaky falling over Semin didnt go half to half like that. He would usually fall long before he got there.


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What I liked about that Kuznetsov goal was that he caught everyone off guard. I agree that the move is Semin-like because Semin's best goals involve a certain element of surprise, an unexpected burst of skill. Speaking of Semin, I really hope he gets his game back as well.

In terms of comparisons to Fedorov, I would say Kuznetsov is as good a skater - extremely smooth, seemingly effortless and elusive. I'd say Fedorov was a bit more confident, which allowed him to make more effective key decisions. Fedorov was one of the most skilled NHL players ever, so it's not easy to match anyone against him, but in terms of raw skill level, I think Kuznetsov is comparable to him.

What I've also noticed is that Johansson has a very similar playing and skating style to Kuznetsov, I sometimes confuse the two. I think Johansson is also extremely talented.

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I'm a big Kuznetsov fan but these Fedorov comparisons have to stop. At 20 Fedorov put up over a point a game as a rookie NHLer. At 23 he put up 120 points and won both the Pearson and the Selke. Think about that for a second.

Kuznetsov seems to be a pretty good player and has a lot of talent but Sergei Fedorov was one of the greatest all around players the NHL has ever seen.

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