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11-20-2005, 01:34 PM
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Jokinen always seems to be at the right place at the right time. He'll never see Iowa....

Jokinen!

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11-20-2005, 03:01 PM
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Did he say that before or after he was hit by one of the bottles thrown by the crowd because of yet another lost game?
Check the results, Ässät won yesterday...

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11-21-2005, 03:28 AM
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Did he say that before or after he was hit by one of the bottles thrown by the crowd because of yet another lost game?
The notorious losing spirit of Pori!


I'm sure there is nothing lost in translation, finns can usually speak and understand english quite well. And journalists, the ones that interview english speaking people are not bad at it usually.

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11-21-2005, 10:41 PM
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I would say that critcism of Kapanen was valid in the early season when he wasn't seeing a lot of ice time and didn't have consistent linemates.

Since they put Barnes, Kapanen, and Miettinen together, though, Niko has been fantastic. That line cycles the puck well and is also dangerous on the rush while being an effective trio defensively as well.
Absolutely. I believe he is third on the team in points for the month of November. He has more goals and more points so far this year than he did all of last season, so the comment makes no sense. Now if he was referrin to last season, the comment is legit, but not this season.

Guy is not some to critisize a player in public, just not his style, but especially because he's not a coach. I find it strange that he would do so.

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11-29-2005, 11:57 AM
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in the stats, kapanen is besting arnott. what do you folks see with your eyes?

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11-29-2005, 12:00 PM
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in the stats, kapanen is besting arnott. what do you folks see with your eyes?
How are Niko's 15 points (2 goals) better than Arnott's 24 points (10 goals)? Granted Niko is superior defensively, but regardless, Arnott is the superior player and likely will always remain to be the superior player.

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12-03-2005, 03:12 AM
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Update after 25 games..

25 games - 03 goals - 13 assists for 16 points (pace: 53) for Niko Kapanen
25 games - 04 goals - 08 assists for 12 points (pace: 39) for Antti Miettinen
25 games - 08 goals - 10 assists for 18 points (pace: 59) for Jussi Jokinen

They all do this in:

13.71 minutes for Jussi Jokinen
13.65 minutes for Niko Kapanen
12.88 minutes for Antti Miettinen


Jokinen article


Some rankings of my own:


Goalscoring:

1) Jussi Jokinen
2) Antti Miettinen
3) Niko Kapanen


Playmaking:

1) Niko Kapanen
2) Jussi Jokinen
3) Antti Miettinen


Offensive skills:

1) Antti Miettinen
2) Niko Kapanen
3) Jussi Jokinen


Defensively:

1) Niko Kapanen
2) Antti Miettinen
3) Jussi Jokinen

Niko Kapanen, arguably the best defensively out of these 3, has the lowest +/- ranking at a -2. Jokinen has a +1, Miettinen a +2.


Physical play:

1) Antti Miettinen
2) Niko Kapanen
3) Jussi Jokinen

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12-03-2005, 11:00 AM
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Niko has also put up those numbers playing on the third line. Both Antti and Jussi have had time on the first line, which is when their production goes up.

Stu Barnes who has been playing with Niko said a few weeks ago that Niko could make a play in a phone booth, and I think that's pretty accurate on his playmaking abilities.

And a nice little article on Kapanen

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...r.81675be.html

You have to register to read it, but its worth it.

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12-03-2005, 11:08 AM
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Damn, I like Miettinen.

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12-03-2005, 12:34 PM
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how about Perttu Lindgren

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12-03-2005, 01:47 PM
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I see Miettinen as the better playmaker than Jokinen. Jokinen may have more assists, but that's only because he's getting PP time that Miettinen isn't.

From the half boards, Miettinen is a very dangerous passer. He has very good vision, and he's made some amazing passes from there this season.

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12-03-2005, 02:41 PM
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how about Perttu Lindgren
Ask that after WJC, when he is a VERY big name.

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12-05-2005, 09:42 AM
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I still think Miettinen is the best out of the 3. That being said, I love both Kapanen and Jokinen as well.

Miettinen is great defensively, great on the forecheck, and he has that lovable Finnish finesse and vision. Thats an absolutely DEADLY combination

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12-05-2005, 11:40 AM
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I see Miettinen as the better playmaker than Jokinen. Jokinen may have more assists, but that's only because he's getting PP time that Miettinen isn't.

From the half boards, Miettinen is a very dangerous passer. He has very good vision, and he's made some amazing passes from there this season.
He's made some passes that I just sit there and say "how did he do that?" Long term I think Miettinen will be a very good player. He has the hands of goal scorer and can read the game and plays better than anyone.

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12-05-2005, 11:57 AM
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this come's from a guy who's not seen one match from dallas this season; Jokinen, Kapanen and Miettinen, in that order.

Dont understand what is that hype about Miettinen is, but i hope you are right

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12-05-2005, 12:11 PM
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The most impressive thing about Miettinen is his stealth mode. He will sit in something that looks like a bad position defensively, and when the play develops you'll see what he had in mind, he's always so incredibly much ahead of the play, and knows what's going to happen, and is very good at limiting the quality of the opposition's options on the attack.

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12-05-2005, 12:20 PM
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Miettinen is one of the most well-rounded players on the Stars. There's nothing he can't do, really. People are suprised to see Miettinen leading all rookie forwards in hits, even second or third on the Stars in limited playing time. I'm actually surprised Miettinen hasn't been involved in a single fight yet..

If I were to compare each to a current NHL regular, I'd probably compare Niko Kapanen to Todd Marchant, Jussi Jokinen to Scott Young and Antti Miettinen.. that one's hard, maybe a mix of Nagy and Morrow, though not as good ofcourse.

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12-06-2005, 03:35 AM
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These players are all great and are one of the reason why the Stars have such a good record . If i had to take only one of them it would be Miettinen because of his 2way play and his physical game .

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03-06-2006, 03:51 AM
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Update after 25 games..

25 games - 03 goals - 13 assists for 16 points (pace: 53) for Niko Kapanen
25 games - 04 goals - 08 assists for 12 points (pace: 39) for Antti Miettinen
25 games - 08 goals - 10 assists for 18 points (pace: 59) for Jussi Jokinen

They all do this in:

13.71 minutes for Jussi Jokinen
13.65 minutes for Niko Kapanen
12.88 minutes for Antti Miettinen
Update after 60 games:

60 games - 13 goals - 28 assists for 41 points (pace: 56) for Jussi Jokinen
60 games - 08 goals - 18 assists for 26 points (pace: 36) for Niko Kapanen
60 games - 07 goals - 14 assists for 21 points (pace: 29) for Antti Miettinen

They all do this in:

13.41 minutes for Jussi Jokinen
13.41 minutes for Niko Kapanen
11.60 minutes for Antti Miettinen

Only Jokinen maintained his pace somewhat. Understandable considering he gets the most icetime on a scoring line. Miettinen and Kapanen trailled off considerably, especially Kapanen is highly streaky, offensively ofcourse. They all took a (slight) hit in icetime as well.

Jussi is something else though, for instance, here's a little history of rookies playing for our team:

Jamie Langenbrunner (1996/1997 - 21/22 years old)
76 games - 13 goals - 26 assists for 39 points.

Niko Kapanen (2002/2003 - 24/25 years old)
82 games - 05 goals - 29 assists for 34 points.

Brenden Morrow (1999/2000 - 20/21 years old)
64 games - 14 goals - 19 assists for 33 points.

Jere Lehtinen (1995/1996 - 22/23 years old)
57 games - 06 goals - 22 assists for 28 points.

Even if he were to go pointless over the final 20 games, he would still be our highest scoring rookie since Mike Modano.. Now I guess that says more about our rookieclass history than it does about Jussi, but still..

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03-06-2006, 09:12 PM
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Yeah, Langenbrunner, Morrow and Lehtinen are just awful scrubs But it's really nice to see him do so well. That's just the price you pay for being good, no top draft picks.

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03-12-2006, 05:05 AM
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Have Niko played in your powerplay(1 unit) now? Have seen him playing and Modano at point? So is that lineup, 3 fins at att and Modano&Zubov at point or? And I have to ask another Q too, have you had such a creative passer than JJ in years? Since I have seen JJ passing game after game really nice, long and "impossible" passes.

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I'm loving the Miettinen, Hagman, Kapanen line. They are causing a lot of trouble and most of their shifts stay in the offensive zone. I think the stars are very underrated in terms of depth this season because of the new blood, but our young guys are playing amazingly well, and it will help us a ton come playoff time.

Miettinen almost bagged one last night, I love watching him play.

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03-12-2006, 11:26 AM
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Is Hagman signed for next season as well?

I agree. The Kapanen, Miettinen, Hagman line has been awesome. So much speed on that line its kinda sick. Keep it together for the playoffs and who knows what'll happen.

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03-12-2006, 11:40 AM
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Is Hagman signed for next season as well?

I agree. The Kapanen, Miettinen, Hagman line has been awesome. So much speed on that line its kinda sick. Keep it together for the playoffs and who knows what'll happen.
Hagman isn't signed for next year and I guess he is RFA.

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03-25-2006, 03:04 AM
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Update after 70 games:

69 games - 16 goals - 35 assists for 51 points (pace: 60) for Jussi Jokinen
69 games - 09 goals - 20 assists for 29 points (pace: 35) for Niko Kapanen
67 games - 09 goals - 15 assists for 24 points (pace: 29) for Antti Miettinen

They all do this in:

13.34 minutes for Jussi Jokinen
13.45 minutes for Niko Kapanen
11.48 minutes for Antti Miettinen

Kapanen now leads the trio in icetime. Jussi, who's 4th in scoring among rookie forwards, ranks 20th in the NHL in icetime among rookie forwards.

Tippet on Miettinen: "I still think Miettinen is one of those guys who has a lot of upside," Tippett said. "He has played very well, and we probably haven't given him enough opportunity to push himself forward."

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