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10-12-2003, 05:08 PM
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Year before that, plus 20? 30 points? Did he suck then?
No, but even then that was one good month. Have you been watching the same games? He has been horrible, +2 or not. Take off the Sopel glasses and see it for what it is.

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I only caught parts of the game yesterday, so who was playing with Jovo?
Jiri Slegr

Brent Sopel is playing decent and does not suck. He is not ripping a whole in the team and is a solid NHL calibre defenceman.

That said, he is the Canucks 7th best defenceman.

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As I read this thread, it makes me remember why, I don't wasted my time posting any more. MORONS

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I've been a huge Sopel supporter for the longest time, but seeing his game early this season so far, he's got me worried.

I would still give him more games to see if he can take that next step towards consistency - but the time is now - this season - for him to take that step... not saying that he needs to be MacInnis out there or anything, but he's gotta stop tripping over at critical times and turning the puck over as much as he does...

I'm still a Sopel supporter... I would like nothing better than to see our own guys who we already have here, play those key roles in our success... but after watching the first few games, I can't help but think that Sopel is a weak link right now, in an otherwise excellent defense.

Forget the stats... anyone who's watched the games can see that Sopel has been our worst dman so far... right now he's our weakest link back there.... I really hope that he doesn't continue his current level of play, but if he does, I'll be changing my tune quickly from backing him up, to wanting him dealt... from the games I've seen so far this season, we're a better team without him then with him.

I had always hoped that he would develop into a consistent 2-way force... and he still can... the question is whether he can now, when the team needs him, or whether it will take a couple more years?

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I've been a huge Sopel supporter for the longest time, but seeing his game early this season so far, he's got me worried.

I would still give him more games to see if he can take that next step towards consistency - but the time is now - this season - for him to take that step... not saying that he needs to be MacInnis out there or anything, but he's gotta stop tripping over at critical times and turning the puck over as much as he does...

I'm still a Sopel supporter... I would like nothing better than to see our own guys who we already have here, play those key roles in our success... but after watching the first few games, I can't help but think that Sopel is a weak link right now, in an otherwise excellent defense.

Forget the stats... anyone who's watched the games can see that Sopel has been our worst dman so far... right now he's our weakest link back there.... I really hope that he doesn't continue his current level of play, but if he does, I'll be changing my tune quickly from backing him up, to wanting him dealt... from the games I've seen so far this season, we're a better team without him then with him.

I had always hoped that he would develop into a consistent 2-way force... and he still can... the question is whether he can now, when the team needs him, or whether it will take a couple more years?
Finally you see the light NFITO

What compounds the problem is that Sopel seems to have a complete inability to play with anyone other than Ohlund. I don't think he played like a decent top 4 last year and he hasn't the first three games this year. He should be able to be a good third pairing guy that gets PP time (he doesn't kill penalties at all), but to be that he has to play without Ohlund. Which as I mentioned he hasn't shown the ability to. If that doesn't change I honestly don't think Sopel makes it to the end of the season as a canuck. Jovo, Ohlund and Salo are the top 3. After that Allen received 20+ minutes his last game and Malik is a 17-18 minute guy. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that we are going to see Sopel and Slegr battle it out for a spot...similar D-men with similar deficiencies.

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No, but even then that was one good month. Have you been watching the same games? He has been horrible, +2 or not. Take off the Sopel glasses and see it for what it is.
no, that wasn't just one month. You don't lead the dmen in takeaway vs giveaway differential from just one month.

it's also not fair to overlook the plus/minus stat for a player when that very same stat was used to burn Sopel in the first place last season.

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Finally you see the light NFITO

What compounds the problem is that Sopel seems to have a complete inability to play with anyone other than Ohlund. I don't think he played like a decent top 4 last year and he hasn't the first three games this year. He should be able to be a good third pairing guy that gets PP time (he doesn't kill penalties at all), but to be that he has to play without Ohlund. Which as I mentioned he hasn't shown the ability to. If that doesn't change I honestly don't think Sopel makes it to the end of the season as a canuck. Jovo, Ohlund and Salo are the top 3. After that Allen received 20+ minutes his last game and Malik is a 17-18 minute guy. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that we are going to see Sopel and Slegr battle it out for a spot...similar D-men with similar deficiencies.
he's played with Jovo and Allen last season
Jovo is horrible defensively and Sopel was being moulded to be an offensive player.
Allen has made plenty of mistakes positionally last season and I'd have to say he wasn't truly ready before.
Salo had a tough time playing with Jovo and Ohlund but seemed to have an easier time playing with Baron... thus, that's who he was paired up with.

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I've been a huge Sopel supporter for the longest time, but seeing his game early this season so far, he's got me worried.

I would still give him more games to see if he can take that next step towards consistency - but the time is now - this season - for him to take that step... not saying that he needs to be MacInnis out there or anything, but he's gotta stop tripping over at critical times and turning the puck over as much as he does...

I'm still a Sopel supporter... I would like nothing better than to see our own guys who we already have here, play those key roles in our success... but after watching the first few games, I can't help but think that Sopel is a weak link right now, in an otherwise excellent defense.

Forget the stats... anyone who's watched the games can see that Sopel has been our worst dman so far... right now he's our weakest link back there.... I really hope that he doesn't continue his current level of play, but if he does, I'll be changing my tune quickly from backing him up, to wanting him dealt... from the games I've seen so far this season, we're a better team without him then with him.

I had always hoped that he would develop into a consistent 2-way force... and he still can... the question is whether he can now, when the team needs him, or whether it will take a couple more years?
far far too early to tell and that goes for Slegr as well. No one player should be judged so critically after 3 games. The encouraging thing for me is that Sopel is a plus and he's playing better with each game.

I wish the takeaway vs giveaway stat was available to the public.

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he's played with Jovo and Allen last season
Jovo is horrible defensively and Sopel was being moulded to be an offensive player.
Allen has made plenty of mistakes positionally last season and I'd have to say he wasn't truly ready before.
Salo had a tough time playing with Jovo and Ohlund but seemed to have an easier time playing with Baron... thus, that's who he was paired up with.
who played with Jovo and Allen last season??

it wasn't Sopel, he played with Ohlund nearly all of last season....

Malik primarily played with Jovo last year... Allen would rotate in and out, and had different partners...

Salo looked very good playing with Ohlund last year (albiet it was only for a short time)... he couldn't play with Jovo though, as both of them are right side dmen... Jovo started camp with Salo, but that experiment ended when Jovo said he wanted to play the right side.

enough with the excuses for Sopel... he's now in his 3rd full season as a Canuck, and the mistakes he's making he's gotta snap out of.

Like I said, I'm a big Sopel fan, and I do still hope that he's a long term part of our team, but it's not going to happen if he doesn't become more stable defensively.... he was great a couple seasons ago, and he needs to get back to that... that's why I still have faith in him, and won't toss him aside so quickly...

but this team is ready now for that push... our defense overall is solid, and Sopel is the only one making those glaring mistakes so consistently... yes, in seasons past Ohlund and Jovo made more than their share of mistakes, and it's not unlike what Sopel is doing now... but the difference is that back then the team could afford it - we were still a young team that was just fighting to make the playoffs... the situation is different now... we're not able to make those mistakes anymore.

If by mid season Sopel doesn't improve, I'm on the side of moving him... but I will give him till midseason to improve, because he has been a big part of this team when his game is on... we just need it now to be on more often than not.

In the first 3 games, he's disappointed... his offense is still there... he still makes good passes out of the zone and has good vision in the offensive zone, but those positives don't outweigh his negatives, because the great things he brings we have in our lineup already... he needs to be more than that.

This guy is supposed to be on our top pairing... he can't be making those kind of mistakes when he's up there against the opposition's best... Ohlund needs more stability with him too, since he looks prime to take that next step offensively, which he can't do with Sopel's lackluster defensive play.... at this point Salo makes more sense on the top unit... and Slegr and Allen should be fine on the bottom pairing.

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far far too early to tell and that goes for Slegr as well. No one player should be judged so critically after 3 games. The encouraging thing for me is that Sopel is a plus and he's playing better with each game.

I wish the takeaway vs giveaway stat was available to the public.
stats are useless.... watch the games!

Sopel has made some huge blunders so far in the 3 games... luckily it hasn't come back to kill us, but those kind of mistakes we can't afford from a guy playing on our top pairing, and against the opposition's best offensive players.

it is too early to tell... that's why I'm willing to continue being patient with him for about half a season... what disappoints me is that he hasn't turned it up defensively this season, and looks to be making the same turnovers and bad plays he did last season.

like I said before, his offense isn't the problem... it's as good as it has been in the past... it's his defense, or lack of, that has me concerned.

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who played with Jovo and Allen last season??

it wasn't Sopel, he played with Ohlund nearly all of last season....

Malik primarily played with Jovo last year... Allen would rotate in and out, and had different partners...

Salo looked very good playing with Ohlund last year (albiet it was only for a short time)... he couldn't play with Jovo though, as both of them are right side dmen... Jovo started camp with Salo, but that experiment ended when Jovo said he wanted to play the right side.

enough with the excuses for Sopel... he's now in his 3rd full season as a Canuck, and the mistakes he's making he's gotta snap out of.

Like I said, I'm a big Sopel fan, and I do still hope that he's a long term part of our team, but it's not going to happen if he doesn't become more stable defensively.... he was great a couple seasons ago, and he needs to get back to that... that's why I still have faith in him, and won't toss him aside so quickly...

but this team is ready now for that push... our defense overall is solid, and Sopel is the only one making those glaring mistakes so consistently... yes, in seasons past Ohlund and Jovo made more than their share of mistakes, and it's not unlike what Sopel is doing now... but the difference is that back then the team could afford it - we were still a young team that was just fighting to make the playoffs... the situation is different now... we're not able to make those mistakes anymore.

If by mid season Sopel doesn't improve, I'm on the side of moving him... but I will give him till midseason to improve, because he has been a big part of this team when his game is on... we just need it now to be on more often than not.

In the first 3 games, he's disappointed... his offense is still there... he still makes good passes out of the zone and has good vision in the offensive zone, but those positives don't outweigh his negatives, because the great things he brings we have in our lineup already... he needs to be more than that.

This guy is supposed to be on our top pairing... he can't be making those kind of mistakes when he's up there against the opposition's best... Ohlund needs more stability with him too, since he looks prime to take that next step offensively, which he can't do with Sopel's lackluster defensive play.... at this point Salo makes more sense on the top unit... and Slegr and Allen should be fine on the bottom pairing.
When Ohlund was injured, they tried Sopel with Jovo and Allen and it didn't work out. I was pointing that out in respose to the statement that Sopel can't play with anybody outside of Ohlund.

He's had 3 season where one was poor and one year where he was good. In actual fact, this is more or less his third full season where one was poor and one was very good. His rookie year, he was average but I wouldn't consider that a full season because of his lack of ice time.

I don't agree that Salo has looked good with Ohlund... otherwise, they would be putting him there I think if that was the case.

Sopel's stats don't warrant your critical assessment of him. I don't think it's even worth it for me to tell you that I saw all the dmen make some pretty bad mistakes over the 3 games including Salo because I think people are going to think critically of Sopel regardless. I see errors everywhere and whether they are considered glaring or not is subjective.

There is such a thing as chemistry among defensive pairings. You can't always just throw two good dmen together at any time to make a good pairing.

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stats are useless.... watch the games!

Sopel has made some huge blunders so far in the 3 games... luckily it hasn't come back to kill us, but those kind of mistakes we can't afford from a guy playing on our top pairing, and against the opposition's best offensive players.

it is too early to tell... that's why I'm willing to continue being patient with him for about half a season... what disappoints me is that he hasn't turned it up defensively this season, and looks to be making the same turnovers and bad plays he did last season.

like I said before, his offense isn't the problem... it's as good as it has been in the past... it's his defense, or lack of, that has me concerned.
whether Sopel earned all the minus he had last year is debatable, but pple still use that statistic against him. It's not fair that the plus/minus should just be ignored now.

I think his play has been better with every game and that's the thing that encourages me.

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stats are useless.... watch the games!
I only want the takeaway vs giveaway stat so I could show that Sopel doesn't give the puck away as much as some people say he does relative to the other dmen. I can tell you that I believe that to be the case and it would help my argument a little if I had some stats to back that up.

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I only want the takeaway vs giveaway stat so I could show that Sopel doesn't give the puck away as much as some people say he does relative to the other dmen. I can tell you that I believe that to be the case and it would help my argument a little if I had some stats to back that up.

Not that i don't believe you, but provide a link to backup that statistic.

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Not that i don't believe you, but provide a link to backup that statistic.
that stat doesn't exist for the public anymore.

the last time they had that stat available for public srutiny was 2001-2002

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I don't think I've seen a defenseman fall down as much as Sopel...he seems like he has clumsy feet or his skates are gibbled.

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cc... I'm not a Sopel basher... furthest thing from it... I've been a huge supporter of his throughout last season, and am still hopeful he remains a Canuck.

But I am losing more patience with him... I can't forever let his mistakes pass without criticism... the reason why I'm picking on him now is because of where the team is.

last season, ask anyone here how I felt about Sopel... I defended him in every post... but now the team is ready for a serious run, and we can't be having players that make those kinds of mistakes on our top defensive unit... Sopel has been making huge mistakes!

I had hoped to see a more stable Sopel this season, but so far he hasn't shown that he's put his brain freezes behind him yet... if this was last year or the year before, I could live with it, having more patience since the team overall required it...

now the team is ready, but Sopel isn't... it's in our best interest IMO that we are ready by this playoffs for a serious run, and having an error prone top pairing guy isn't going to help us in the least.

The other reason why my patience is running out on him is because we don't need his offensive contributions on defense as much as we needed it before... we should have more scoring depth up front, and Ohlund is really looking like he's going to have a career offensive season, possibly Salo as well.

as for the Salo/Sopel with Ohlund comments... the reason why Salo isn't playing with Ohlund isn't because he's not good with him... I think it's because Sopel isn't good with anyone else (as tant mentioned)... that's why that pairing is still intact...

I really do believe that Sopel can pull us down this season... but I haven't completely run out of patience yet... I am willing to see how he develops this season, but by the deadline if he hasn't developed more stability in his game, I'm joining the line (and the ever growing one) of fans who want to see him gone.... I still hope it doesn't come to that, but both my patience and my faith in him are decreasing.

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that stat doesn't exist for the public anymore.

the last time they had that stat available for public srutiny was 2001-2002

So that statistic was not available last season? Than we have been talking about Sopel two seasons ago, which i think we can all agree that he had a pretty good season that year, but the concern of his play has been the last year and the 3 games this year. Again it is just a concern but not bashing. Bashing would be saying he sucks, but i think he has to be more focus on the defensive end, that is all.

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When Ohlund was injured, they tried Sopel with Jovo and Allen and it didn't work out. I was pointing that out in respose to the statement that Sopel can't play with anybody outside of Ohlund.
So he couldn't play with those guys which is what I said. He has shown he can only play with Ohlund.

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No they use Salo to anchor the third pairing. If Sopel could be counted on to do the same you would definitely see Salo with Ohlund...as you do on the PK.

And yes Salo didn't work out with Jovo but as NFITO said they both a right side D-men. That and it took some time for Salo to adapt to the system as it did with Malik.

Sopel's first "full" year was decent...made so be an a very good 4-5 weeks. Last year he wasn't very good at all and down right disastrous for an extended period of time. It is only his third year and he's young but he isn't a top-4 guy on an elite team. That's the problem. Much of the roster appears primed for a serious run with the exception of couple weak links. Sopel is one of those weak links IMO.

Chemistry between defence pairings is important yes but he's had a year with every D-man on the team except Slegr. The chemistry excuse I think starts to run out when you become that familiar with your teammates and wuite frankly he has to take responsibility for his own play. Chemistry plays no part in that.

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So he couldn't play with those guys which is what I said. He has shown he can only play with Ohlund.



No they use Salo to anchor the third pairing. If Sopel could be counted on to do the same you would definitely see Salo with Ohlund...as you do on the PK.

And yes Salo didn't work out with Jovo but as NFITO said they both a right side D-men. That and it took some time for Salo to adapt to the system as it did with Malik.

Sopel's first "full" year was decent...made so be an a very good 4-5 weeks. Last year he wasn't very good at all and down right disastrous for an extended period of time. It is only his third year and he's young but he isn't a top-4 guy on an elite team. That's the problem. Much of the roster appears primed for a serious run with the exception of couple weak links. Sopel is one of those weak links IMO.

Chemistry between defence pairings is important yes but he's had a year with every D-man on the team except Slegr. The chemistry excuse I think starts to run out when you become that familiar with your teammates and wuite frankly he has to take responsibility for his own play. Chemistry plays no part in that.

Sopel hasn't been paired up with Malik at all. He was paired up with rookie Allen in Ohlund's absence and Jovo who is a right dman like he is.

Previously, it was Ohlund and Baron playing on the pk, but when they were paired outside of the pk, Ohlund suffered. At one time they played well together but it became obvious later on that the pairing only worked for the PK. I don't think Salo worked out that well with Ohlund but that's just my opinion.

Before he is judged as the weak link, we should be able to see that statistically. If he's that bad defensively, it will show up in his stats, especially since he plays against top lines and logs a lot of minutes.

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So that statistic was not available last season? Than we have been talking about Sopel two seasons ago, which i think we can all agree that he had a pretty good season that year, but the concern of his play has been the last year and the 3 games this year. Again it is just a concern but not bashing. Bashing would be saying he sucks, but i think he has to be more focus on the defensive end, that is all.
that was the point of my original argument... out of his last two season, he's had a good season, and a poor season. 3 games is hardly enough time to give a critical assessment of a player, especially when his stats don't warrant it.

everytime I see even one mistake by Sopel, I'm thinking to myself... "ok, here come the sopel bashers." He could make a dozen good plays defensively and I just know, that one mistake he could make will still come back to bite him on these boards.

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Sopel hasn't been paired up with Malik at all. He was paired up with rookie Allen in Ohlund's absence and Jovo who is a right dman like he is.

Previously, it was Ohlund and Baron playing on the pk, but when they were paired outside of the pk, Ohlund suffered. At one time they played well together but it became obvious later on that the pairing only worked for the PK. I don't think Salo worked out that well with Ohlund but that's just my opinion.

Before he is judged as the weak link, we should be able to see that statistically. If he's that bad defensively, it will show up in his stats, especially since he plays against top lines and logs a lot of minutes.
I think it does show up in his stats...He's the only D-man not used on the PK.

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I think it does show up in his stats...He's the only D-man not used on the PK.
that's by Crow's choice... just like the defensive pairings. perhaps he likes the taller players over 6'1 to play on the PK. Sopel hasn't played enough on the PK for me to guage how good he'd be on it. Still, goals against on the PK wouldn't show up stat wise anyway.

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that's by Crow's choice... just like the defensive pairings. perhaps he likes the taller players over 6'1 to play on the PK. Sopel hasn't played enough on the PK for me to guage how good he'd be on it. Still, goals against on the PK wouldn't show up stat wise anyway.
You're right it is by Crow's choice. But it seems odd that the guy that's a "top 4" who is trusted and brilliant against opposition top lines would not get PK time while every other D-man does. It was the same last year.

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