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11-23-2005, 12:33 PM
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Umberger...a sign of things to come

RJ netted his first goal in the NHL last night, how long do you think Umberger will remain on the roster? As far as whenever Primeau comes back, if he comes back?
Or do you see him being droped back down after Kapanen comes back? what do you think?

So far IMO i think hes been perty solid for a rookie, playing good defensivly, and creating pressure offensivly...hes been doing ok, but i dunno how long he'll stay on the roster.

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The organization has payroll flexibility and options with RJ, which I why I won't be surprised to see him go back down before they give up a player without options. It will most likely be different next year and beyond, but that's the way it is this year.

I'm not sure what you're implying in reference to Primeau, but if it's making a choice between Primeau or Umberger for this club now, that's a no-brainer even if only the latter has minor-league options. I don't think that's what you're saying, but in the event that you are...

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If there was no salary cap, I think he'd be on the team the rest of the season.

NHL salaries:

Umberger: 900K
Sharp: 450K
Savage: 500K
Radivojevic: 550K
Sim: 450K

That may hurt his chances to stay with the big squad all season.

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HE will be send back. He needs to score a few more. Radio Carter and Burger line plays pretty damn good. I like the speed hits and some scoring.

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
If there was no salary cap, I think he'd be on the team the rest of the season.

NHL salaries:

Umberger: 900K
Sharp: 450K
Savage: 500K
Radivojevic: 550K
Sim: 450K

That may hurt his chances to stay with the big squad all season.
Umberger does not make that much. He makes a salary of 750,000 rolled back to 580,000 plus signing bonus he gets no matter which team he plays on.

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
If there was no salary cap, I think he'd be on the team the rest of the season.

NHL salaries:

Umberger: 900K
Sharp: 450K
Savage: 500K
Radivojevic: 550K
Sim: 450K

That may hurt his chances to stay with the big squad all season.
If we waive Brashear we will see enough of Umberger. I'd waive Brash when Primeau comes back

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Umberger does not make that much. He makes a salary of 750,000 rolled back to 580,000 plus signing bonus he gets no matter which team he plays on.
Umberger got the rookie max, which was about $1.2M rolled back to $900,600.

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Umberger got the rookie max, which was about $1.2M rolled back to $900,600.

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Yeah Umberger did get the rookie max. His salary for the 1st year is (which was the lock out was) 592,000 signing bonus plus 592,500 slaray = 1.182. His second year was supposed to be 435,000 siging bonus plus 750,000 salary = 1.185. The 24 % roll back makes it 330,000 sigining bonus plus 580,000 = 910,000

This is correct information. Look at nhlpa more clearly!

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Yeah Umberger did get the rookie max. His salary for the 1st year is (which was the lock out was) 592,000 signing bonus plus 592,500 slaray = 1.182. His second year was supposed to be 435,000 siging bonus plus 750,000 salary = 1.185. The 24 % roll back makes it 330,000 sigining bonus plus 580,000 = 910,000

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Rj

Congrats dude on number one..I hope to see him all year..But he needs to score..

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Yeah Umberger did get the rookie max. His salary for the 1st year is (which was the lock out was) 592,000 signing bonus plus 592,500 slaray = 1.182. His second year was supposed to be 435,000 siging bonus plus 750,000 salary = 1.185. The 24 % roll back makes it 330,000 sigining bonus plus 580,000 = 910,000

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Perhaps in cash flow.

But, for cap hit purposes, he's getting the average yearly salary against the lifetime of the contract, right? Also, signing bonuses count towards the cap IIRC.

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Yeah Umberger did get the rookie max. His salary for the 1st year is (which was the lock out was) 592,000 signing bonus plus 592,500 slaray = 1.182. His second year was supposed to be 435,000 siging bonus plus 750,000 salary = 1.185. The 24 % roll back makes it 330,000 sigining bonus plus 580,000 = 910,000

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What Battousai wrote is what matters here. When calculating salaries for cap purposes, the total amount of the contract is averaged over the term of the contract, and that average is what hits the cap. The player might receive a loaded contract, but as far as the NHL Cap Lord is concerned, all NHL contracts are averaged.

John knows this, and we've all been through it before here so I'm sure that's why he didn't feel the need to hash it out again.

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I think Umberger is a better player than Savage, Sharp and Sim - hopefully Hitchcock thinks so too. On Tuesday he got 16 minutes compared to Sharp 9, Stevenson 11, Brashear 10, and Kavanagh 4 as a last minute call up.

Stevenson didn't get a lot of shifts - maybe working up from the injury and Sim got 15 minutes (with some PP time)

Seems like Hitch does like him over some players at least - wether or not that keeps him in the lineup when Sami and Primeau come back I'm not sure - assuming there will be more injuries I'd guess he's up with the Flyers to stay.

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I think Umberger is a better player than Savage, Sharp and Sim - hopefully Hitchcock thinks so too. On Tuesday he got 16 minutes compared to Sharp 9, Stevenson 11, Brashear 10, and Kavanagh 4 as a last minute call up.

Stevenson didn't get a lot of shifts - maybe working up from the injury and Sim got 15 minutes (with some PP time)

Seems like Hitch does like him over some players at least - wether or not that keeps him in the lineup when Sami and Primeau come back I'm not sure - assuming there will be more injuries I'd guess he's up with the Flyers to stay.
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