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11-23-2005, 10:30 AM
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Carter vs Richards

Mike Richards appear to be the most ready of the two...but Carter have got the way in the pass weak...

Who be the best pts this season and please get a number !

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11-23-2005, 10:39 AM
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11-23-2005, 10:44 AM
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Just kidding, man. It's hard to say. Richards certainly looks more well-rounded and his leadership qualities were not overstated. He's a great addition to the team. Carter is more of a wild card. He's got talent to spare, but it comes out in flashes. I'd say both end up in the 40-45 point range. Maybe 25G 20A for Carter, and 15G 30A for Richards.

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11-23-2005, 10:52 AM
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I say Carter surpsasses Richards by mid season, especially if he gets off a line with Brashear and Sharp.

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Richards was the better player in October.
Carter has been the better player in November.

I think Richards will put up better numbers once the team gets healthy, because he'll get the better linemates, as long as Hitch keeps Carter at center.

Once the team gets healthy again, I'd love to see them go back to trying Carter on the wing again. One game, while battling mono was not enough to judge.

When healthy I'd love to see:

Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble
Handzus - Richards - Carter
Kapanen - Primeau - Stevenson
Sharp - Umberger - Radivojevic

I'd also look into flip/flopping Carter & Knuble on occasion.

Carter is the 2nd best goal scorer on the team (Gagne), and closer to being number one, than number three. He's probably the 2nd best stickhandler on the team as well (Forsberg). The most pleasant surprise has been his physical game. During the Phantoms playoff run, he wasn't overly physical; although he was excellent at winning one-on-one battles along the wall. He doesn't throw a ton of bodychecks, but usually 1-3 per game, but they are all big hits. he's really surprised and laid out some defenseman.

Richards started off great, and then I thought he had a 2-3 week stratch where he wasn't doing too much. His last 2-3 games before the injury were his best in about a month. Hopefully the injury won't have any lasting effects.

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11-23-2005, 11:22 AM
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yes, giving carter a second chance, thats what i just sugested on the gagne thread in the NHL forum... Carter is begining to play significantly better, he needs more ice time for sure.

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John, I think it's safe to say that his sprained wrist won't be one of those lingering injuries. Reason being is that management sat him out, giving him some five-six games to recover. He's not going out and aggrevating the injury like Primeau's concussion or Gagne's groin.

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11-23-2005, 11:55 AM
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John, I think it's safe to say that his sprained wrist won't be one of those lingering injuries. Reason being is that management sat him out, giving him some five-six games to recover. He's not going out and aggrevating the injury like Primeau's concussion or Gagne's groin.
You hope not, but just th efact that the gave him x-rays, and then even after they showed negative they still sent him to Baltimore to see a hand/wrist specialist has me a bit concerned.

Wrist/hand strength is extremely important to a hockey player.

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11-23-2005, 12:53 PM
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Richards was the better player in October.
Carter has been the better player in November.

I think Richards will put up better numbers once the team gets healthy, because he'll get the better linemates, as long as Hitch keeps Carter at center.

Once the team gets healthy again, I'd love to see them go back to trying Carter on the wing again. One game, while battling mono was not enough to judge.

When healthy I'd love to see:

Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble
Handzus - Richards - Carter
Kapanen - Primeau - Stevenson
Sharp - Umberger - Radivojevic

I'd also look into flip/flopping Carter & Knuble on occasion.

Carter is the 2nd best goal scorer on the team (Gagne), and closer to being number one, than number three. He's probably the 2nd best stickhandler on the team as well (Forsberg). The most pleasant surprise has been his physical game. During the Phantoms playoff run, he wasn't overly physical; although he was excellent at winning one-on-one battles along the wall. He doesn't throw a ton of bodychecks, but usually 1-3 per game, but they are all big hits. he's really surprised and laid out some defenseman.

Richards started off great, and then I thought he had a 2-3 week stratch where he wasn't doing too much. His last 2-3 games before the injury were his best in about a month. Hopefully the injury won't have any lasting effects.

Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble (scoring line)
Handzus - Richards - Kapanen (scoring line)
Sim/Sharp - Primeau - Stevenson (plays against top line)
Radio- Carter- Umberger (I want to see this line, they work really hard speed and size some scoring I'd give this line some time)

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11-23-2005, 01:57 PM
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Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble (scoring line)
Handzus - Richards - Kapanen (scoring line)
Sim/Sharp - Primeau - Stevenson (plays against top line)
Radio- Carter- Umberger (I want to see this line, they work really hard speed and size some scoring I'd give this line some time)
I'm not really sure why you'd put Sim/Sharp on the checking line. What do they have to offer defensively? The checking line, and I'm sure Hitch has made this clear, is Primeau with Kapanen and Stevenson.

I agree with the previous suggestion that I'd like to see Carter get another shot at right wing now that he's healthy - either with Forsberg or Richards as the centre. Knuble had some chemistry with Richards and Zus during the preseason and I think that would be a great grinding line that can score a lot of goals. And it was pretty much confirmed that Umberger will be sent down when everyone is healthy (although I disagree). You then have all of the leftover players to change that line whenever they please (Sharp, Sim, Savage, Brashear, Radio).

Here is what I would like to see:

Gagne-Forsberg-Carter/Knuble
Handzus-Richards-Knuble/Carter
Kapanen-Primeau-Stevenson
Sim/Savage-Sharp-Brashear/Radio

I honestly feel the fourth line doesn't even matter when it's set-up like this. All players are decent enough to play in the league and get fourth line minutes, but nothing more. I think it's silly to spread out the talent through four lines. Right now the team needs solidarity and three lines that can really play.

The thing that's great for this team and its fans right now is the fact we've all learned that Carter and Richards are in fact the players they were supposed to be. They will only get better from here but already they are good NHL players. I think this alleviates some of the worry we had in the preseason about the lineup looking weak.

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11-23-2005, 03:13 PM
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11-24-2005, 07:29 AM
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Call me crazy, but I think if all things are considered, Jeff Carter has had a better season than Mike Richards. Richards started off so well; he was scoring goals, making great passes, and killing penalties while Carter was still weak with mono. Richards is still playing well and is pretty important to this team's success, but Carter has closed that gap. With Carter healthy, he's dangerous almost every time he's on the ice. I think Carter creates more chances per minute on ice than any player on this team other than Forsberg. He's offensive instincts are tremendous. By the end of the season, Carter will have more points even if he still is getting less ice time, no doubt in my mind. Personally, I think he should be on one of the top-2 lines.

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11-24-2005, 11:31 AM
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I agree Brad... I'd love to see Carter move up, now that he's regained (regaining?) his strength. His talent is being wasted playing on a line with Brashear.

I love that both Carter and Richards are displaying exactly what we expected them to be - Carter as a premier scorer and Richards as a two-way playmaker. I think the only reason they were ever compared to one another is because of Carter's slow start. They are and have always been two different style players.

Let's just be glad they both wear the orange and black.

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This may sound a little strange but I'm kind of happy that Carter is on one of the bottom 2 lines right now. We've seen what he can do with the puck when healthy, even though he probably has a little more recovering to do. I think that keeping him on the lower lines is a good thing for now because it is teaching him to work harder since he's playing along-side less skilled athletes. I would even go as far as saying I'd like him to be kept on these lower lines for another 2 months, at least.

If he can learn to play great and score goals and set up plays while playing with guys like this...imagine what will happen wen he actually gets some good line-mates. My thinking is kind of in line with how a baseball player puts that weight on his bat when he's on deck. He swings the weighed down bat, so when he takes it off and steps up to the plate, the bat feels like a feather, and swing it around to crack a homer...is cakework. That's why I'd like to see Carter learn in **** for a while before moving up.

The same thought process can relate to Gagne. The kid sat in **** for what, 3 years? He was still able to reach the 30 goal mark. Now that he's been rewarded with playing with good line-mates, we're starting to see why we've heald onto this kid for so long.

I think the same thing will happen with Carter. Hell, keep him on the lower 2 lines until a month before the playoffs, then give him the month to get used to his new guys on the 2nd line, and the extra ice time, and I think we'll see an explosion that nobody in the league was expecting come playoffs.

Ok, I'm done.

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11-26-2005, 10:44 AM
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Carter has caught up and tied Richards with 14 points, while averaging about 6 minutes less of ice time per game than Richards, and almost no time on the PP. Time to give Carter a real look now that he is back into the swing of things.

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Carter has really picked up his play and seems to be recovering well. I expect as the season goes on, Carter will be heads and tails above Richards. Carter might even work his way back into the Calder race. I will not be surprised at all, to see Carter in the top 3 scoring for rookies.

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Carter has really picked up his play and seems to be recovering well. I expect as the season goes on, Carter will be heads and tails above Richards. Carter might even work his way back into the Calder race. I will not be surprised at all, to see Carter in the top 3 scoring for rookies.
That would be quite difficult. His slow start put him pretty far behind. In order to get to the top-3, he'd have to be absolutely on fire from here on out. While I think he's played great since getting back to 100%, that's a lot to ask from a rookie who's only getting 10:00 minutes of ice time. Personally, I think he should be tried back at wing again for a game or two. Just to see if it was the position change or the lingering effects of mono. I'd be willing to bet he'd perform better this time around.

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Put him on a line with Forsberg and Gagne and he would absolutely have a shot at catching up with AO and SC. Its only a quarter way through the season. Players get injured, players slump. Conditioning isnt an issue with Ovechkin, but I suspect that Crosby's body will be tired and beaten up by the end of the season. If you go by points per minutes on the ice, Carter is actually ahead of Ovechkin and not thatfar behind Crosby. Given better linemates and more time he is very much com[parable tot he top two forwards for the Calder.

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I wouldnt underestamate Carter though because he came in the playoffs of the AHL and lead the league in scoring points...

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