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11-30-2005, 01:34 PM
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Korpikoski

I was wondering what the word is on Korpedo? Is he playing well? still stuck on the 3rd/4th lines? whos play in the NHL does he remind you of most? think he will be a top tier 2nd liner for us? Thanks for the feedback!

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I was wondering what the word is on Korpedo? Is he playing well? still stuck on the 3rd/4th lines? whos play in the NHL does he remind you of most? think he will be a top tier 2nd liner for us? Thanks for the feedback!

I know I am one of a very few who are not 100% sold on Maloney's arm pump at the draft.

Seriously though, last season I made a few post stating this kid might have been overhyped since he didn't score ONE goal all season long. Yeah I know there were NHLers over there last year and yeah I know he was on the fourth line, but c'mon score ONE goal. I look at other past Finish first rounders; (Tukkonen, Koivu, ect) and they managed to produce over there in Finland. Now this is another year and last I checked he has 4 points in 30+ games. I doubt he's still on the fourth line and if he is thats a bad sign. Right now I am looking at this guy as a Niklas Sundstrom type prospect rather than a Jere Lehtonen type player I was hoping for when we drafted him.

Jessiman and Korpedo are two HUGE picks for us in this reabuild and it isn't gonna be good for the club if both turn into busts which is why I am open to moving ONE of them for a player that is young but can help the team now too.

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He played for Finland in the recent U20 4 Nations tournament in Stepino in Russia. He got a goal and an assist in his first game which Finland won 5-2 over the Czechs, but then didn't score in the games against Russia and Sweden, which Finland lost 3-1 and 4-1, respectively. That's all I know about the tournament. I haven't been able to see any reports, because I don't read Russian.

Once more: don't look for this kid to become Jere Lehtinen -- they play completely different styles of hockey! Can people please get off that image? The only thing they have in common is the front cover of their passports! The Korpedo is a fast-skating energy guy who's best on the forecheck (hence the nickname). If you must have a comparison, it seems to me that the closest thing is Sean Bergenheim, though I understand the Korpedo has some stickhandling flash to him. He's NOT known for his defensive acumen.

I'm also concerned about Lauri's lack of production in the SM-Liiga, but he's done well enough to earn 2nd-line minutes this year (though he's still not scoring). I also take solace in the fact that Mikko Koivu certainly didn't light the lamp too much his first two seasons with TPS.


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He played for Finland in the recent U20 4 Nations tournament in Stepino in Russia. He got a goal and an assist in his first game which Finland won 5-2 over the Czechs, but then didn't score in the games against Russia and Sweden, which Finland lost 3-1 and 4-1, respectively. That's all I know about the tournament. I haven't been able to see any reports, because I don't read Russian.

Once more: don't look for this kid to become Jere Lehtinen -- they play completely different styles of hockey! Can people please get off that image? The only thing they have in common is the front cover of their passports! The Korpedo is a fast-skating energy guy who's best on the forecheck (hence the nickname). If you must have a comparison, it seems to me that the closest thing is Sean Bergenheim, though I understand the Korpedo has some stickhandling flash to him. He's NOT known for his defensive acumen.

So then he's not good on defense either? Well he obviously isn't that great of an offensive player so far so where exactly is his value as a player then? And to be honest I have read in a few places that he can play both ends of the ice, but it's a question of his talent level taking him just so far.

So I see a player with questioned talent who has had ONE really good U-20 tourny and has scored 2-4 goals and about 10 points in two whole seasons of hockey.

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he plays a good two way game...saying he's not a defensive specialist doesn't mean he sucks at defense

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He played for Finland in the recent U20 4 Nations tournament in Stepino in Russia. He got a goal and an assist in his first game which Finland won 5-2 over the Czechs, but then didn't score in the games against Russia and Sweden, which Finland lost 3-1 and 4-1, respectively. That's all I know about the tournament. I haven't been able to see any reports, because I don't read Russian.

Once more: don't look for this kid to become Jere Lehtinen -- they play completely different styles of hockey! Can people please get off that image? The only thing they have in common is the front cover of their passports! The Korpedo is a fast-skating energy guy who's best on the forecheck (hence the nickname). If you must have a comparison, it seems to me that the closest thing is Sean Bergenheim, though I understand the Korpedo has some stickhandling flash to him. He's NOT known for his defensive acumen.
Zetterberg is as good comparison as any. Fast, great balance and workethic.

Korpikoski is not in a easy position. The veteran players on his team aren't scoring either, the team avg. around 2 goals per night.

Though the bottom line with Korpikoski is that he was picked because his potential. He have great wheels, Lauri is shifty, can change directions with the puck while skating, can fend of defenders with his balance ect. He is also a natrual stickhandler. What he is not is a Schremp type of pointproducer. But guys with Lauris unique tools are almost always able to transfer their success to the big stage. Like Zetterberg who wasn't a big star at younger years.

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i'll take a zetterberg-like comparison in any way, shape, or form TYVM...

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This is the first time I've heard the Zetterberg comparison and I hope it's an accurate one!

I reread my post and it is a bit confusing: I didn't mean to say that he's not good at defensive play, but that 2-way play isn't the reason he was drafted. Everything I've read says that he is extremely likely to be an NHL'er, but the question is whether he'll be a 3rd line energy guy or a 1st or 2nd line scorer.

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He's gonna be fine and so will Jessiman.

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Thanks for the update guys- much appreciated-

Love the zetterberg comparison.

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Is Korpedo more like Prucha except that he's bigger? Same high-energy style, reckless abandon at both ends of the ice, speedy and creative? Could Lauri be a more successful NHL player than a SM-Liiga player? A lot like Lee Falardeau's success in Pros and mediocrity in NCAA.

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So then he's not good on defense either? Well he obviously isn't that great of an offensive player so far so where exactly is his value as a player then? And to be honest I have read in a few places that he can play both ends of the ice, but it's a question of his talent level taking him just so far.

So I see a player with questioned talent who has had ONE really good U-20 tourny and has scored 2-4 goals and about 10 points in two whole seasons of hockey.

Could you push the panic button a little more? Seriously man, have you ever seen Korpikoski on tape? I have. He has potential.

I preach patience. If he turns out to be a bust so be it. But me thinks he's going to surprise you. Not saying he'll be a star.

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My view on Korpikoski is currently this: He is a soldi two way player. Not a goal scorer but more like a future 3rd liner who will do the important so called "invisible work". Who knows if he regains his scoring touch in the mens level in the future but for now it seems like he isn't going to be a goal scorer.

Lately he has been playing in the third line with TPS. It has been tough for him since his head coach is complaining that the team management hasn't been willing to get him better players. He seems to be complaining a lot. Whether it's the older and more experienced players that doesn't please him or the younger promising players. Korpikoski said to me the other day that he is looking forward to join the Rangers' organization next summer so you might be see him sooner rather later in action.

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scoring is not a big deal right now. He is learning how to play in a league with men. He's gonna come over to Hartford next season, have a full year in hartford and then be ready for the Rangers.

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My view on Korpikoski is currently this: He is a soldi two way player. Not a goal scorer but more like a future 3rd liner who will do the important so called "invisible work". Who knows if he regains his scoring touch in the mens level in the future but for now it seems like he isn't going to be a goal scorer.
Not exactly encouraging. This organization is overflowing with future 3rd & 4th liners. Trading up to grab a future 3rd liner in the first round is not a good sign. The Rangers need top 2 line talent, not more plumbers. Even if they are fast plumbers.

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My view on Korpikoski is currently this: He is a soldi two way player. Not a goal scorer but more like a future 3rd liner who will do the important so called "invisible work". Who knows if he regains his scoring touch in the mens level in the future but for now it seems like he isn't going to be a goal scorer.

Lately he has been playing in the third line with TPS. It has been tough for him since his head coach is complaining that the team management hasn't been willing to get him better players. He seems to be complaining a lot. Whether it's the older and more experienced players that doesn't please him or the younger promising players. Korpikoski said to me the other day that he is looking forward to join the Rangers' organization next summer so you might be see him sooner rather later in action.
Padawan, does Lauri have an offensive creativeness, shot, hustle and drive like Prucha?

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He's gonna be fine and so will Jessiman.
Ok good. I feel much better now!

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Focus Player: Left winger Lauri Korpikoski is a flashy offensive machine that excels in the Finns up-tempo game. He has dazzling one-on-one skills and is just as happy scoring as he is threading the needle for a teammate. The New York Rangers prospect was the teams best player at the recent Four Nations Under-20 tournament.
http://www.chl.ca/CHLWJHC05/041220.html

Slow day at the office, so I decided to Google the Korpedo. This is a year old, but it's not a description I've come across before. Says pretty much what I've heard before.

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Personally I think he could be a solid second line player.

I see a lot of Dvorak in him and saw a lot of that when he was drafted as well.

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I have learned one thing since following the Rangers and their european prospects closely and other Swedish and european prospects the last 8 years or so. That is that a general rule is that a young kid who is a flashy offensive dynamo at a young age in Europe will become the same type of player in the NHL, if he makes it.

A young kid who is a good 2-way player in europe at young age, while not beeing a star among his peers, also often if he makes it becomes the same type of player in the NHL. European kids rarely takes a step down the latter when they make it.

Henrik Zetterberg is a great example. Every where he have played he have been the same type of player, never more or less valuble for his team. Thats a big diffrence between North American, and especially Canadian kids, and European kids. Canadian kids are often tremendsouly effective at a really young age, they often get the max out of their skills in any give situations.

If you want to be able to tell how a young player, from for example Europe, will look in the NHL don't look at how he handles himself in finnishing situations, or on the special teams like the PP, or if he can make the same stickhandling moves as Jaromir Jagr. The best combination of stickhandling and finnishing skills I've seen the last couple of years might be SJ's prospect Steve Brenier. Though I never belive he will become a star in the NHL, he have nothing else besides thoose skills and size. He can't accelerate with the puck ect.

A good sign that a young player will become great in the NHL is when he is around the puck allot, especially when you are suprised that he is around the puck so much. That in itself is not a "skill", its a result of attitude, agility, acceleration, balance, vision and hockeysense. I've always been suprised with how guys like Zetterberg, Prucha, Jussi Jokinen, Niko Kapanen and even Alfredsson always managed to find the puck in the international game, more so then what you expected. The skills I listed above, attitude, agility, acceleration, balance, vision and hockeysense are the most important skills for a hockeyplayer with hockeysense beeing the premium skill but all of them are extremely important. Maybe agility is the second most important skill. There are so many extremely fast players around in the hockeyworld. But look at a guy like Fata, how much did he create with his speed in the NHL? Nothing. Witehall was another NYR prospect who is extremely fast.

Finnishing a breakaway or making a perfect pass in a two on one situation or making the latest Jagr stickhandling move in itself isn't that hard.

I haven't seen enough of Korpikoski to say for sure that he is gooing to be the next Zetterberg or if he will be a bust or not. But from what I've seen of him in about 3 games he defenitly looks like a kid who will make it to the NHL and be a very good 1-3 line player, never a point produceing go to guy but someone who will make the players around him better with his hard work all over the ice. The main reason I compared him to Z is because the way he is build and how he handles himself in traffic and the way he moves his feets. Edge compared him to Dvorak but from my point of view Dvorak was much more a finesse guy at a young age.


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Padawan, does Lauri have an offensive creativeness, shot, hustle and drive like Prucha?
He does have some offensive creativeness and a decent shot in the mens level but you have to remember that he plays in the role his head coach has given him and that's a defensive line forward. He plays well in that role. Of course playing in a defensive role means that he doesn't have so much freedom at the opposing end.

I haven't seen much of Korpikoski on action so my opinion is based on one game live and one listened via radio.

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Well it's hard to really say that because Dvorak was in the NHL by the time he was 18.

Like Dvorak, Korpikoski has good wheels and his slippery but he also doesn't quite have the hands of a star. If he did, he'd be dangerous. Dvorak became a very nice 20-30 goal scorer and a solid two way player. If Korpikoski makes it I see a lot of similarities with style of play, personality, and possibly even production. They are also similar sizes.

Dvorak ironically enough, was actually seen as a power forward when he was 17/18. A lot of people don't remember this, but Messier's name was actually thrown out there quite a bit.

Sundstrom was a kid who was supposed to be an offensive NHL player and aside from his first few years playing with Gretzky. That never materialized.

I think European players tend to be more balanced players than north americans. If there scoring dries up, they can still get by better IMO.

However this could easily turn into a long debate about where the CHL has done wrong the past 10 years and that just wouldn't be fun for anyone.

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My view on Korpikoski is currently this: He is a soldi two way player. Not a goal scorer but more like a future 3rd liner who will do the important so called "invisible work". Who knows if he regains his scoring touch in the mens level in the future but for now it seems like he isn't going to be a goal scorer.

Lately he has been playing in the third line with TPS. It has been tough for him since his head coach is complaining that the team management hasn't been willing to get him better players. He seems to be complaining a lot. Whether it's the older and more experienced players that doesn't please him or the younger promising players. Korpikoski said to me the other day that he is looking forward to join the Rangers' organization next summer so you might be see him sooner rather later in action.
You can not teach the intangibles that this guy has. Far too many uninformed fans look solely to stats. I personally would like to see him come over as soon as possible, next year at the latest. Do you know what his miltary status is?

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However this could easily turn into a long debate about where the CHL has done wrong the past 10 years and that just wouldn't be fun for anyone.
Good post and I just wanted to add that my comments on European players wheren't ment to credit them on the cost of canadian juniors for example. Its a fact that young CHL players are more effective then European players, they go through a much tougher climate. Which results that at a young age they are better in relation to there skills then european kids are. Thats never negative, but a result is that guys from the CHL who are tremendous scorers at the highest junior level, like CHL or the WJC, not always have the skills to back that up in the NHL and takes a step down the latter if they makes it.

My point in this thread is that just because Kopikoski isn't effective right now in the SM-liiga it doesn't mean that he won't be a top 2 line player in the NHL. Because, quit frankly the hardest part isn't to put the puck in the net at the NHL level, its to keep up with the game.

Jeff Hamilton would probably lead the finnish league in scoring if he played there, Lauri Korpikoski is what top 100 in scoring there this year. But if Renney without thinking about the future was forced to today pick one of Hamilton or Korpikoski to play on the 2nd line in NY I honestly think he would pick Korps.

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I like Korp but I think that a Zetterberg comparison is a little to high end for him. He kind of reminds me of a Hecht type. One of those players that looks good on paper but when you watch him play you see how much he really adds to the team.

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