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What would you give for Nicklas Lidstrom?

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11-30-2005, 03:28 PM
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What would you give for Nicklas Lidstrom?

It looks like Detroit has a glut of propsect coming up next year and may want to cut the vets and give the pups a go. I want to know what specific this for that trades you would do to help you team from what Detroit might have available.

Here is what Detroit roster may look like next year.

LW Tomas Holmstrom - C Pavel Datsyuk - RW Brendan Shanahan
LW Igor Grigorenko(*RSL) - C Henrik Zetterberg - RW Jiri Hudler(*AHL)
LW Mikael Samuelsson - C Valtteri Filppula(*AHL) - RW Jason Williams
LW Tomas Kopecky(*AHL) - C Johan Franzen - RW Daniel Cleary
LW Mark Mowers - RW Andreas Jamtin(*FIN)
LW Matt Ellis(*AHL)
D Niklas Kronwall - D UFA(Lidstrom/Schneider/Jovanovski/Redden/Chara/McCabe)
D Jiri Fischer(?) - D UFA(Lidstrom/Schneider/Jovanovski/Redden/Chara/McCabe)
D Brett Lebda(*AHL/NHL) - D Kyle Qunicey(*AHL)
D Andreas Lilja
G Jimmy Howard(*AHL/NHL)
G Stefan Liv(*SWE)

Who could/should be available at the trade deadline:
C Robert Lang (2 years at 3.9 M) Becomes expendable with Hudler/Filppula emergence.
C Kris Draper (3 years at 2.128 M) Becomes expendable with Franzens emergence.
LW Kirk Maltby (two years at 1.444 M) See above. Also, Jamtin should take Kirks role.
D Nicklas Lidstrom (one year at 7.6 M) Wings can live without Nik now that Kronwall has arrived.
D Mathieu Schneider (two years at 3.3 M) Good aquisition by Holland at the time, now its time to get something for him.
D Chris Chelios (one year at 1.1 M includes bonuses) Only so much he can do in a third pairing role.
G Manny Legace (one year at 1.162 M) See Jimmy Howard.
G Chris Osgood (one year at 900K) See other goalie prospects (namely Liv) in line.

My proposal would look something like this,

To Phoenix:C Kris Draper and LW Kirk Maltby.

To Detroit:1st rounder 06 and RW Enver Lisin.

OR

To Chicago: C Robert Lang.

To Detroit: RW Michael Blunden and 2nd rounder 06.


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11-30-2005, 03:38 PM
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The market will be flooded with UFA top tier defenseman as Rob Blake is also due to become a UFA. I don't see the Wings trading Lidstrom...he is pivotal to a cup run for them and any team that would pick him up on a trade would be in the same position as the Wings, exccept they would be short players for having to deal for him. I also think Jiri Fischer is finished in professional sports...he seemed to have a relapse yesterday, and I doubt the Wings or any other team want that liability on their hands.

The same logic holds true for Lang...I don't see the Wings who are in first place in the WC doing much in the way of moving their top caliber players...they are poised for a cup run.

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11-30-2005, 03:40 PM
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will u just give it up...

your proposals and thought process are just... not logical

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11-30-2005, 03:42 PM
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The market will be flooded with UFA top tier defenseman as Rob Blake is also due to become a UFA. I don't see the Wings trading Lidstrom...he is pivotal to a cup run for them and any team that would pick him up on a trade would be in the same position as the Wings, exccept they would be short players for having to deal for him. I also think Jiri Fischer is finished in professional sports...he seemed to have a relapse yesterday, and I doubt the Wings or any other team want that liability on their hands.

The same logic holds true for Lang...I don't see the Wings who are in first place in the WC doing much in the way of moving their top caliber players...they are poised for a cup run.
no u dont get it, according to him we have to rebuild and trade away everyone every year..

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My proposal would look something like this,

To Phoenix:C Kris Draper and LW Kirk Maltby.

To Detroit:1st rounder 06 and RW Enver Lisin.
The Coyotes already have a glut of forwards. We also have Scatchard and Ricci so Draper wouldn't fit. We have several 3rd line checking wingers so Maltby, while maybe a slight upgrade isn't necessary. We need scoring forwards.

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To Chicago: C Robert Lang.

To Detroit: RW Michael Blunden and 2nd rounder 06


A hefty price I would say especially for a mid 30's guy..

Blunden won't be going nowhere unless he is part of a pkge for a big name under 26 yrs old, which Lang isn't.

Blunden is a no name so far, but may possibly have huge upside if this years performance means anything so he won't be given up easily.

Some team may overpay for a partial season producer but it sure won't be CHI or any team out of the playoffs.

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First off, I seriously doubt Detriot will completely dismantle their team like your saying... Maltby, Draper, Schnieder... they are key, key veterans on the Wings' and vital to the team's core and chemestry.


I can maybe see Lidstrom going closer to the trade deadline to a playoff bound team that has some cap space as a rental player if Detriot wants to inject some youth into the team... but I can't really see him getting a too big of a return because of his huge contract and his age.

If I'm the Habs, a playoff bound team with no defenceman (save Markov) that can legitimetly save you games in the playoffs, I would consider dumping one of their younger forwards for a playoff run.

To Detriot: Chris Higgins (an american who I think would thrive in hockeytown with Kris Draper teaching him how to be the NHL's best two way player), Sheldon Sourray (gotta make some cap room)

To MON: Nik Lidstrom

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11-30-2005, 04:58 PM
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Let me get this straight .... Detroit at 18-6-2 and leading the Western Conference by 5 points (and quite possibly a #1 seed in the West, #4 at worst) is going to go into February with a playoff spot all but clinched and decide, "Hm ... we need to think about next year - let's blow things and start trading all our veterans so we can get ready for next year."

And I thought I was pushing it believing we could get a mid-level prospect and an upper-round pick for Weight near the trade deadline.

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11-30-2005, 05:19 PM
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To Phoenix:C Kris Draper
On second thought, we'll give you your dollar back.

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Detroit is going to be a buyer at the deadline not a seller.

They should add a couple gritty veterans for the playoff run.

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If you want to give the Isles Kris Draper we'd appreciate it quite a bit. I really doubt that he will be moved, and Lidstrom certainly isn't going anywhere.

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Detroit is going to be a buyer at the deadline not a seller.

They should add a couple gritty veterans for the playoff run.
Not unless they plan on shipping out an equal amount of salary - they're in *no* position to be adding to the payroll, even with Fischer out.

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Uh, how do you figure? Jiri Fischer makes $1.33 million this season, and if he's gone for the year (which he most probably is) the Red Wings can bring in a player earning that much or less money, without it hitting the cap.

Beyond that, the Wings have enough cap room to bring in another veteran earning between 1 and 1.5 million at the deadline. They'll totally be buyers, just not very, y'know, extravagant ones.

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Uh, how do you figure? Jiri Fischer makes $1.33 million this season, and if he's gone for the year (which he most probably is) the Red Wings can bring in a player earning that much or less money, without it hitting the cap.

Beyond that, the Wings have enough cap room to bring in another veteran earning between 1 and 1.5 million at the deadline. They'll totally be buyers, just not very, y'know, extravagant ones.
The cap counts for the Detroit players:
Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,600,000
Datsyuk, Pavel $3,900,000
Lang, Robert $3,800,000
Schneider, Mathieu $3,300,000
Zetterberg, Henrik $2,650,000
Shanahan, Brendan $2,280,000
Draper, Kris $2,128,000
Maltby, Kirk $1,444,000
Holmstrom, Tomas $1,368,000
Fischer, Jiri $1,387,000
Yzerman, Steve $2,000,000
Legace, Manny $1,162,800
Osgood, Chris $900,000
Chelios, Chris $850,000
Lilja, Andreas $650,000
Howard, Jim $640,000
Franzen, Johan $600,000
Samuelsson, Mikael $537,500
Mowers, Mark $450,000
Cleary, Daniel $450,000
Rivers, Jamie $450,000
Williams, Jason $450,000
Bootland, Daryl $450,000
Kronvall, Niklas $840,000
Lebda, Brett $507,000
Woolley, Jason $507,000
Quincey, Kyle $450,000

Yzerman has a base of $1.25M but has bonuses that can get him to $2M - those bonuses have to be counted, thus he's at $2M. Chelios is in a similar situation, but I can't track down the amount he could make in bonuses. Howard's salary is estimated off of tsn.ca - I can't confirm (yet) that this is indeed his cap count. Same with Kronvall, Lebda and Quincey. Otherwise, I'm pretty comfortable saying that the numbers listed are what each player's cap count is.

And yes - I'm taking into account the fact that Kronvall is injured. Based on the players active on the roster who aren't out due to a long-term injury (I'm assuming Fischer will miss at least 10 games and 24 days, Legace is a question mark at this point) they are currently carrying $38,624,300 on the roster. If you project their current roster to stay the same for the remainder of the season, they sit about $212,000 under the upper limit of $39 million.


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Souray and a 3rd

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The cap counts for the Detroit players:
Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,600,000
Datsyuk, Pavel $3,900,000
Lang, Robert $3,800,000
Schneider, Mathieu $3,300,000
Zetterberg, Henrik $2,650,000
Shanahan, Brendan $2,280,000
Draper, Kris $2,128,000
Maltby, Kirk $1,444,000
Holmstrom, Tomas $1,368,000
Fischer, Jiri $1,387,000
Yzerman, Steve $2,000,000
Legace, Manny $1,162,800
Osgood, Chris $900,000
Chelios, Chris $850,000
Lilja, Andreas $650,000
Howard, Jim $640,000
Franzen, Johan $600,000
Samuelsson, Mikael $537,500
Mowers, Mark $450,000
Cleary, Daniel $450,000
Rivers, Jamie $450,000
Williams, Jason $450,000
Bootland, Daryl $450,000
Kronvall, Niklas $840,000
Lebda, Brett $507,000
Woolley, Jason $507,000
Quincey, Kyle $450,000

Yzerman has a base of $1.25M but has bonuses that can get him to $2M - those bonuses have to be counted, thus he's at $2M. Chelios is in a similar situation, but I can't track down the amount he could make in bonuses. Howard's salary is estimated off of tsn.ca - I can't confirm (yet) that this is indeed his cap count. Same with Kronvall, Lebda and Quincey. Otherwise, I'm pretty comfortable saying that the numbers listed are what each player's cap count is.

And yes - I'm taking into account the fact that Kronvall is injured. Based on the players active on the roster who aren't out due to a long-term injury (I'm assuming Fischer will miss at least 10 games and 24 days, Legace is a question mark at this point) they are currently carrying $38,624,300 on the roster. If you project their current roster to stay the same for the remainder of the season, they sit about $212,000 under the upper limit of $39 million.
quincey was called up when fisch went on the IR i believe, could be wrong, but i think that'd negate his cap hit

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It looks like Detroit has a glut of propsect coming up next year and may want to cut the vets and give the pups a go. I want to know what specific this for that trades you would do to help you team from what Detroit might have available.



Seriously, stop. Your s/n is cup4wings....with these trade proposals you make every other week, we will NEVER win the cup. Next time, take a minute, think about it, and go home.

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Lidstrom, Nicklas $7,600,000
Schneider, Mathieu $3,300,000
Chelios, Chris $850,000
Lilja, Andreas $650,000
Lebda, Brett $507,000
Woolley, Jason $507,000
Rivers, Jamie $450,000

Datsyuk, Pavel $3,900,000
Lang, Robert $3,800,000
Zetterberg, Henrik $2,650,000
Shanahan, Brendan $2,280,000
Draper, Kris $2,128,000
Maltby, Kirk $1,444,000
Holmstrom, Tomas $1,368,000
Yzerman, Steve $1,250,000
Franzen, Johan $600,000
Samuelsson, Mikael $537,500
Mowers, Mark $450,000
Cleary, Daniel $450,000
Williams, Jason $450,000

Legace, Manny $1,162,800
Osgood, Chris $900,000



If Fischer is out, that is their 22-man. Yzerman is unlikely to reach his bonuses. That's 37.2m with their cap number for the first third of the season being about 38. They will still be 500k-1m under come the deadline unless they add someone else.

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If Fischer is out, that is their 22-man. Yzerman is unlikely to reach his bonuses. That's 37.2m with their cap number for the first third of the season being about 38. They will still be 500k-1m under come the deadline unless they add someone else.
Petr Bondra is unlikely to realize most if not all of the $2.9 million in bonuses he could earn - but it still counts against the team cap for Atlanta. So you have to count Yzerman at $2 million. You also have to include Jim Howard and his (roughly) $640,000 cap figure while he's called up.

Not that this matters much, but I've seen Franzen listed at both $600,000 and $650,000 this season - can anyone confirm which is correct?

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Did I miss something...aren't the Wings leading the league in points? Since when did they become sellers? Save this stuff for the offseason...

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Lidstrom? At 35 yoa and $7.6M? I wouldn't give a whole helluva lot.

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What a dumb thread.

Kronwall has "arrived"??? When did that happen? He has played 20 NHL games, and will be coming off a very serious knee injury. But you are annointing him Lidstroms successor already? Wow.

Lidstrom is not "expendable" by ANY means. He is overpaid right now, but I have a pretty good feeling he will end his career with the Red Wings one way or another. He will sign a 1-2 year deal with the Wings next season for around what Schneider is making (3.5 mill).

End of story, if you ask me. The Wings will not be sellers.

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Lidstrom should finish his career as a Wing.

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