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12-07-2005, 04:44 PM
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Jose Theodore, 01-02 season, not only did it happen, but in the last few years.
That team was a much more veteran/experienced team and also was riding the emotional high of Koivu returning. Florida on the other hand has iced a team mostly filled with youth and have been severly disabled to injuries (second most in the league during Luongo's record setting season) to top tier players. There's no comparison between the 01-02 Canadiens and any of the Luongo backstopped Panther teams.

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12-07-2005, 05:05 PM
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yeah, the 01-02 Canadiens had no injuries, and Koivu returned in October, not with 3 games left in the season,
Find some info on their roster and you will see that it wasn't laced with young players. The panthers are not comparable to the 01-02 Canadiens for the sole purpose that they are trying to grow their young players.

I'm not arguing that Theo didn't carry the team, but their team wasn't filled with youth trying to learn the ins and outs of the NHL game. And what he did was a once in a lifetime thing, I can't see how you can expect Luongo to do that to prove his worth.

You said "some of his peers have done that" - who else? Theo played out of his mind that year (on a better team), but it is a rarity.

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12-07-2005, 05:10 PM
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Cujo, Morris and a pick for Esche and Carter.

Might as well correct two mistakes in one.

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12-07-2005, 05:13 PM
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Cujo, Morris and a pick for Esche and Carter.

Might as well correct two mistakes in one.
There is only 2 goalies I'd consider if I was moving Carter: Luongo and Fleury. Cujo doesn't have alot of time left in this league, in the new Cap world you can't trade a budding young star for an old veteran.

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12-07-2005, 05:13 PM
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I really don't know why Philly would waste their future on a goalie that isn't really that much better than what they allready got...
WHAT???


please.


I could possibly see a deal of...

luongo, J-Bo, Majesky

for

Carter, Richards, Pitkanen, Ninymaki *goalie* *sp*

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12-07-2005, 05:18 PM
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There is only 2 goalies I'd consider if I was moving Carter: Luongo and Fleury. Cujo doesn't have alot of time left in this league, in the new Cap world you can't trade a budding young star for an old veteran.
Unless you're going for the Cup this year, where Cujo playing the way he is could be the difference, and are in desparate need for a quality d-man due to a rash of injuries.

I agree, it probably doesn't work even at that. That's why the

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12-07-2005, 05:41 PM
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I could possibly see a deal of...

luongo, J-Bo, Majesky

for

Carter, Richards, Pitkanen, Ninymaki *goalie* *sp*
Remind me never to hire you as a GM for my team.

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12-07-2005, 05:47 PM
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Remind me never to hire you as a GM for my team.
I agree, trading all of Pitkanen, Richards, and Carter is limited to GMs coming from the Mike Milbury school of GMing.

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12-07-2005, 05:48 PM
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WHAT???


please.


I could possibly see a deal of...

luongo, J-Bo, Majesky

for

Carter, Richards, Pitkanen, Ninymaki *goalie* *sp*
You're an Antropov fan ( ) so I can forgive this gross over-payment on the Flyers part.

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12-07-2005, 05:49 PM
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You forgot about Nittymaki too.

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sorry to burst your bubbles guys...

but luongo is one of the top goalies in the league and is hella young.

secondly, J-Bo will be one of the top dmen in theleague, he as well is very young.

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12-07-2005, 07:16 PM
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sorry to burst your bubbles guys...

but luongo is one of the top goalies in the league and is hella young.

secondly, J-Bo will be one of the top dmen in theleague, he as well is very young.
Oh yeah...Carter, Pitkanen, Richards, and Nitty are all old farts.

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12-07-2005, 07:22 PM
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Oh yeah...Carter, Pitkanen, Richards, and Nitty are all old farts.
I never said that... don't put words in my mouth.

but in order to land a goalie like luongo... youv'e got to be willing to part with alot.

weren't you the one comparing esche to luongo? what do you know?

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sorry to burst your bubbles guys...

but luongo is one of the top goalies in the league and is hella young.

secondly, J-Bo will be one of the top dmen in theleague, he as well is very young.
Even if you felt this way, Carter and Richards would be more than enough to get Luongo (overpayment) so why would Philly want to throw Pitkanen in for Bo?

He is basically the same age and producing alot more than Bo? (who if I may add is one of the most over-rated players in these forums) I'd take Pitkanen over Bo any day of the week - adding him to the deal for Bo just pushes too far in favour of Florida.

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Besides its arguable that before his injury Pitkanen was one of the best dmen in the league this year, or at least a top tier offensive defenseman. When has J-Bo done anything?....at all...ever.

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I never said that... don't put words in my mouth.

but in order to land a goalie like luongo... youv'e got to be willing to part with alot.

weren't you the one comparing esche to luongo? what do you know?
And I never said that so don't put words in my mouth.

After 16,000 posts apparently you've been around here a while. It's amazing that you actually believe that a trade like the one you mentioned would even be something plausable. Your trade proposal was a joke. There's no other way around it. Sorry.

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3 goals on 10 shots in 13 minutes and pulled. Yeah, let's get him now.

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ridiculous... thats the only word I have to describe how biased you guys are.



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don't bother replying because i'm not going to bother checking this thread... waste of my time reading your crap.

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WHAT???


please.


I could possibly see a deal of...

luongo, J-Bo, Majesky

for

Carter, Richards, Pitkanen, Ninymaki *goalie* *sp*
LOL...this shows how little you know about the situtation. Majesky was traded 2 yrs ago from Florida to Atlanta (for a 2nd round pick in 2003 draft). Pitkanen being injured right now and expected to be out for 4-6 weeks makes him unmoveable at this point anyways.

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WHAT???


please.


I could possibly see a deal of...

luongo, J-Bo, Majesky

for

Carter, Richards, Pitkanen, Ninymaki *goalie* *sp*
WHAT??

it drives me crazy how overrated Luongo is on these boards

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12-07-2005, 08:40 PM
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3 goals on 10 shots in 13 minutes and pulled. Yeah, let's get him now.
That kid has got to get out of there! He is being ruined.

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It is quite simple - he didn't take them to the cup, not rocket science. The Flyers, like the Sens, had Stanley Cup teams on paper and didn't get it done. Just like Lalime, Esche failed.
So any goalie that doesn’t take their team to the Stanley cup is a failure than? Is that what you are saying? Sure sounds like it.

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WHAT???


please.


I could possibly see a deal of...

luongo, J-Bo, Majesky

for

Carter, Richards, Pitkanen, Ninymaki *goalie* *sp*
that's absurd. remember the salary cap to boot.

as of now... and maybe forever.

Pitkanen > J-Bo (flyers lose there...)

Carter, Richards, Nittymaki > Luongo, Majesky (flyers lose there... and not even close)

this is Milbury-esque.

REMEMBER, a salary cap exists now and contract status is HUGELY important. in this deal the Panthers receive four controlled contracts, whereas Luongo (any team trading for him is looking for him to sign a contract as part of the deal) is about to get seriously paid. so on the salary cap front Luongo monetary figure is probably going to equal that of the Flyers group combined. trades are NOT just players for players anymore, they are money for money....

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As Clarke said in the paper today, Philly does not need a goalie, especially at the expense of what would be asked. Esche and Nitty get the job done and can steal games when needed. Sure, they're not Brodeur or Luongo, but in the Flyers system (with the defense healthy especially) they can get it done. The Flyers need bodies on D and up front who can contribute more than they need a goalie.
While I agree that the Flyers need some help on the blueline, do you see the irony of your quote above? Clarke has never felt that he needed to upgrade in goal. He was alway willing to go with the 2nd tier guys, and it's cost him, and the Flyers, chances for several Stanley cups over the last 10 years IMO.

Maybe Clarke has already talked w/ FLA, and found out that Keenan was asking for the sun and the moon for Luongo. If that's the case, I think you just keep in touch to see if Keenan changes his mind at some point in time.

There might be an opportunity to get Luongo "at a sale price" if he continues to struggle. For the poster who said that he's struggling, you don't trade for him, that just crazy. You know you'd be getting a quality player, regardless of how his last 20 games have gone (behind a team that REALLY struggles to score goals, and has 2 AHL caliber d-men playing on the blueline).

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as a flyers fan, i dont want to trade Richards or Carter for luongo

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