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07-14-2013, 08:02 AM
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Top-3 scorers on that Jokerit Jr.A team; Ojantakanen, Turunen and Saari had practically their first year on that level. It tells a lot about the team, it was inexperienced and had a shortage of leading players. That roster wasn't anything to brag about IMO.

It might've been a better decision to have Martikainen gain more experience from head coaching on a lower level first, but we can only speculate about that now. Perhaps he didn't have a huge success leading his players, but it's also quite easy to make accusations that the team seemingly didn't have a system. As it often is with teams that get outplayed on most nights, not much seems to go their way or according to the game plan.

I don't know what the truth is in this case, but trust and good personal relations are important in pretty much all working environments. The guy who replaces Pelkonen as a head coach of Jokerit Jr.B team has 20 years of experience playing pro/semi-pro hockey and is a former chief of junior staff for Jokipojat. It's nonsense to imply that he's not qualified to coach a U18 team.

Everyone makes the decision that feels the best for them. And it's likely that Blues or HIFK has better coaching to offer in some age groups, but that probably works the other way around as well. Blaming KHL for something that happens in younger juniors seems kind of far fetched, has something really changed radically there? If a youngster someday becomes good enough to play in SM-liiga, he can look for a suitable team then, before that Jokerit is probably one of the better alternatives in the Helsinki region.

The following comment from Hjallis is probably sweet talk for the most part, but it's not out of the question that it holds some truth as well:
http://keskustelu.jatkoaika.com/show...&postcount=712

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Martikaisen kyvyt eivät tosiaankaan riitä päävalmentajaksi nuorten SM-liigan tasolla. Eikä alemmillakaan tasolla ainakaan päävalmentajana. Homma lähti väärille raiteille jo joukkueen muodostamisessa, ei perehdytty kavereiden taustoihin kuten esim. Elola, Parkkonen, Nykopp (näistä kirjoitin jo aiemminkin) osoittavat. Peluuttaminenkaan ei toiminut lainkaan. Varsinkin puolustajien peluutus oli käsittämätöntä sillä muutamat ikijokerit ja jossain miltei "Next One" maineen saaneet saivat minuutteja käsittämättömiä määriä tuloksiin nähden. Ohessa tilastoja tueksi (ensin 3 "menetettyä"):

nimi_____pelit pistep. sija pisteet +/- peliaika/peli

Elola_____46 5 48 +15 18.12
Parkkonen 20 96 22 +12 29.36
Nykopp___15 134 18 +6 19.52

-Jokerien maaliero 129-144 (-15), tehtyjä 4 vähiten ja päästettyjä 6 eniten

nimi _____pelit pistep. sija pisteet +/- peliaika/peli

Saari_____46 95 23 -5 23.58
Sneck____41 227 10 -8 19.38
Lintuniemi 38 176 14 -6 22.04
Rantakari_29 211 11 -6 23.25
http://keskustelu.jatkoaika.com/show...&postcount=719

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Honkasen Apen ja Lassinharjun paluu Jokereihin on jotain mikä kertoo siitä että junnupuolen asiat ovat aivan persellään. Näillä kahdella miehellä ja nuorten kehittämisellä ei ole mitään yhteistä tekemistä.

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07-14-2013, 12:28 PM
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Jokerit already had Lindbohm, Lindell, Saari, Hännikäinen, Lamberg, Salminen, Henritius and Teräväinen who were roughly the same age and fighting for a spot with the senior team. It's not big a surprise that Parkkonen and Nykopp found a more appealing deal elsewhere, there simply wasn't room for them in Jokerit.

I don't think it was a bad idea to give ice time to Saari and Lintuniemi, both of them have potential to develop into pro players. Saari got drafted, Lintuniemi missed the cut off date by 8 days and will likely be drafted next year.

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Would be nicer if people would explain their view in depth and give more reasoning when making comments like this. And from the looks of it Lassinharju didn't even return to Jokerit.

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Jokerit already had Lindbohm, Lindell, Saari, Hännikäinen, Lamberg, Salminen, Henritius and Teräväinen who were roughly the same age and fighting for a spot with the senior team. It's not big a surprise that Parkkonen and Nykopp found a more appealing deal elsewhere, there simply wasn't room for them in Jokerit.

I don't think it was a bad idea to give ice time to Saari and Lintuniemi, both of them have potential to develop into pro players. Saari got drafted, Lintuniemi missed the cut off date by 8 days and will likely be drafted next year.

Would be nicer if people would explain their view in depth and give more reasoning when making comments like this. And from the looks of it Lassinharju didn't even return to Jokerit.
This were the announced coaches in March:

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A-nuoret:
Päävalmentaja: Kari Martikainen
Valmentajat: Olli-Pekka Yrjänheikki, Markko Rönkkö, Joonas Hallikainen

B-nuoret:
Päävalmentaja: Markku Kyllönen
Valmentajat: Kari Haakana, Sami Tervonen

C-nuoret:
Päävalmentaja: Tuomas Nikoskelainen
Valmentajat: Tomi Sihvonen, Lennu Kämppi

C2-nuoret:
Päävalmentaja: Antti Lassinharju.
Valmentajat: Asko Honkanen, Tomi Uusi-Kouvo
Feel free to browse the linked thread and the B-juniors thread at the Jokerit section for more info, "liigajyrä", "Ole Fart" and couple other posters know more about the juniors than probably anyone here at least. There's also this from Cobol (who knows a lot about Jokerit affairs in general): http://keskustelu.jatkoaika.com/show...&postcount=721

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07-14-2013, 01:46 PM
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This were the announced coaches in March:
Yep, but that announcement is no longer valid. Maybe you should follow Jokerit and read Jatkoaika more closely yourself since you don't know that Lennu Kämppi will be the C2 head coach next season instead of Lassinharju.

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Yep, but that announcement is no longer valid. Maybe you should follow Jokerit and read Jatkoaika more closely yourself since you don't know that Lennu Kämppi will be the C2 head coach next season instead of Lassinharju.
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Aah, I quoted the post by "kaakko" from the A-juniors thread because it seemed to have more recent replies than the B-juniors thread. Though one could raise the question, what credentials does Lennu Kämppi have? Only 23, played in juniors until the B-juniors. Looks like he's still just studying to be a hockey coach. Not sure Jokerit C2-juniors is the right place to do that.

But the original point was the lure of kids and getting to play in SM-Liiga, that route won't be there after next year:

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Satun jotain tietämään, ja pelaajavirta näin nuorissa, missä ko. herra nykyään vaikuttaa ei kerro mitään. Pikkujunnuissa tunkua on ovista ja ikkunoista, oli sitten valmentaja kuka tahansa, pääasia on päästä ns. liigajengiin mukaan. Edelleen, tämä herra ei ole mikään junnujen kehittäjä, onneksi ei ole mikään vastuuvalmentaja, ihmettelen että yleensä mukana edelleen pyörii....

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But the original point was the lure of kids and getting to play in SM-Liiga, that route won't be there after next year:
For many kids it's important to get to play for the team that they support and for some parents it's a prestige thing seeing their kid play for a big organization. It won't make a huge difference whether the men's team plays in SM-liiga or KHL, try-outs for Jokerit junior teams will still be popular.


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Have the kids Who got selected in CHL import draft decided to play in CHL Next season?

Pretty sure Lintuniemi and Hopponen would play because They Were so high picks.

And could someone tell me more about Hopponen.

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Have the kids Who got selected in CHL import draft decided to play in CHL Next season?

Pretty sure Lintuniemi and Hopponen would play because They Were so high picks.


And could someone tell me more about Hopponen.
This seems to indicate he's going to: https://twitter.com/lintu95

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Has anyone seen enough of TPS's Mikko Rantanen to give some kind of a report? I think I saw him in a couple of games last season, but not enough to say much. He did very well in Ivan Hlinka this year, 8 pts in 4 games.

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Has anyone seen enough of TPS's Mikko Rantanen to give some kind of a report? I think I saw him in a couple of games last season, but not enough to say much. He did very well in Ivan Hlinka this year, 8 pts in 4 games.
This is roughly how I see him at the moment:
  • Compete level: (8/10) - Nothing to complain in his work ethic and he plays both ways.
  • Hockey sense: (7.5/10) - A pretty good vision and understanding of the game, finds the open man and has some smarts arount the net.
  • Puck skills: (7/10) - Nothing dazzling, but controls the puck quite well and has a fairly nice wrister.
  • Size: (8/10) - Has a nice frame, but isn't overly aggressive and I wouldn't call him a power forward. He was listed at 193cm in Hlinka, but there might be some air in that number.
  • Skating: (6.5/10) - Average speed and his technique could use some polishing. An aspect of the game that requires the most work.

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Does anyone in Finland have any insight as to how highly-regarded Jokerit defense prospects Petteri Lindbohm and Santeri Saari are?

I know Lindbohm was named captain of Finland's World Junior squad last Christmas; that seems unusual for a defensive defenseman and a late-round pick when there were several better-known and more productive prospects on the team. Does Lindbohm have a history of being captain with other clubs, and what does that say about his leadership ability and his commitment to the game?

Saari also seems to be a stay-at-home defenseman. Is this accurate, or does he perhaps have more scoring upside than Lindbohm?

Any kind of insight and/or scouting reports on these two players would be most appreciated. We don't get a lot of info about the Finnish hockey scene over here, unfortunately, and now get even less with no junior league stats available...

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Does anyone in Finland have any insight as to how highly-regarded Jokerit defense prospects Petteri Lindbohm and Santeri Saari are?

I know Lindbohm was named captain of Finland's World Junior squad last Christmas; that seems unusual for a defensive defenseman and a late-round pick when there were several better-known and more productive prospects on the team. Does Lindbohm have a history of being captain with other clubs, and what does that say about his leadership ability and his commitment to the game?

Saari also seems to be a stay-at-home defenseman. Is this accurate, or does he perhaps have more scoring upside than Lindbohm?

Any kind of insight and/or scouting reports on these two players would be most appreciated. We don't get a lot of info about the Finnish hockey scene over here, unfortunately, and now get even less with no junior league stats available...
Many say that because the Finnish coach also coached Lindbohm in the juniors, he got the nod

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Many say that because the Finnish coach also coached Lindbohm in the juniors, he got the nod
Wasn't Markus Hännikäinen (another Jokerit junior) also one of the alternates? Lindbohm and Hännikäinen were essentially two nobodies who were all of a sudden given letters. It does smell like Tomek. Whether it was blatant favoritism or simply desire to give letters to players he was the most familiar with or perhaps something in between will most likely remain a mystery. I'm not saying this to insult Lindbohm as he seems like a good kid, but I don't think too many people saw him being named captain until it happened.

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Petrus Palmu scored a lacrosse style goal against Russia tonight. It's almost identical to the one that Granlund scored 2 years ago.


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Rasmus Ristolainen is listed as 6'4 (almost 194cm) 224lbs (101kg) in Sabres Traverse city roster.
Eliteprospects lists him as 6'3 (192 cm) 207 lbs (94kg)

Anyone know has he really grown that much during off-season?

http://sabres.nhl.com/v2/ext/pdf/201...y%20Roster.pdf

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=43497


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wouldn't be the first time a player gets measured with skates and equipment on in NA. Most likely there's some air to the new measurements, or the old ones are older than we think.

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Based on the photos from the draft combine (when they were taking the official measurements), Ristolainen is 6'4" for real. Can't comment on the weight though.

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Interesting article on a Finnish goaltending prospect, learned a lot how things wok there :

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I hope I can read about al finnish prospects and how they are doing at their camps here on this thread

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Finnish junior stats

I was wondering where I could follow Finnish junior hockey stats for this year. In past years, I've been able to navigate around http://www.finhockey.fi/tulospalvelu/ and find game schedules, summaries, rosters and scoring leaders, but right now when I go there, all I can find is a list of games. IIRC, by this point last season, there were full rosters up with heights/weights and everything. What gives?

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I was wondering where I could follow Finnish junior hockey stats for this year. In past years, I've been able to navigate around http://www.finhockey.fi/tulospalvelu/ and find game schedules, summaries, rosters and scoring leaders, but right now when I go there, all I can find is a list of games. IIRC, by this point last season, there were full rosters up with heights/weights and everything. What gives?
They sort use leijonat.fi more, but that site doesn't have statistics. There's also problems with the software they use in for onlinescorecards in basically every league except 1üga.

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If I go to Leijonat.fi, I find my way to this page, but clicking on any of the links doesn't seem to bring up any info.

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If I go to Leijonat.fi, I find my way to this page, but clicking on any of the links doesn't seem to bring up any info.
Well there aren't any games played yet. But it seems they've managed to lose past history as well.

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