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12-13-2005, 01:17 AM
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a for fun 06-07 roster fun talk..

I love thinking about the next years team every year.
This is what we got thus far:

We currently have 20.6 mill towards next years cap, with a lot of people being UFA's

our current roster without fa's would be:

Zetterberg
Lang
Datsyuk

Draper
Maltby
Holmstrom

Schneider
Fischer
Kronwall

Howard

==========================

Ok so here it is:

Resignings:

Shanahan (has to come back!) 2. .28 this year, give him 2 million next year, sign him for 1 year, the guy can still play and if lang is getting 3.8 you gotta give shans after this year atleast 2 mill id say

Franzen, made 600k this year, give him 600k next year and maybe sign him for 2-3 years, then we'll see if he gets a increase but he isnt worth more then that..

Samuelsson i think is a redwing. He looks great here, streaky but atleast he can do other things ya know. 537k this year, id say give him 750k next year or so.

Jason Williams, 450k this year.. say he keeps it up, gets over 60+ pts this year, id say you gotta sign him for atleast 1.75 to 2 mill a year, tho he might be a 1 year wonder, but i doubt it, we all knew he just needed playing time.. so ill say next year 1.75, whether he signs for 2 mill the following year who knows, im talking next year

Hudler, made 633K this year, sign him for about 850k next year if your gonna play him, if hes iffy, sign him for 700k for 1 year then try for more the following, so im gonna say he sticks!

Grigorenko, the kid is gonna make around 850k i think as a max he could earn, and i think hes what we need for sure, give it to him, why not..

Cleary, keep him for about 500k, hes a great 4th liner who plays with heart, he aint worth anything else.

Lidstorm, if he keeps up how he has been recently, hes going to probably demand around 6, but i think we can lock him up for 5.5, so 5.0is what ill say because your not gonna see his type of potential locked up for much less and lets face it, i wouldnt wanna watch us with a niklas lidstromless team, it would be brutal

Chelios retires, great player, great teacher to the youngsters, you were awesome! thanks

If we believe lebda is the man, resign him, if not, resign woolley... pick 1 or the other, IMHO, ill take woolley, hes a vet, we might need vets around here still... sign woolls for 500k

Resign Legace for 1 mill, he was amazing to start, i personally dont feel much for osgood, so ill say id rather see Howard ease in faster with being a backup and getting a start every 3-4 games or a stint of 2-3 games rather then see him stay in GR because we all know the kid is NHL calibar, just needs more experience.

My team thus far:

Shanahan - Datsyuk - Hudler/Williams
Lang - Zetterberg - Grigorenko
Maltby - Draper - Franzen
Samuelsson - Williams/Hudler - Holmstrom
Cleary

my take, we might just try and trade williams off to get a stronger more physical scoring like youngster in here to play on a wing but who knows, for now ill say we keep him

Lidstrom - Kronwall
Schneider - Fischer (ill say he comes back!)
Woolley - UFA

Legace
Howard

We need a UFA in here with size, a vet who can play a mucking game like chelios who is solid, reliable and what not.. perferable, id loveeeeeeee to see Keith Carney in here or somehow get a Mattias Norstrom from LA, but that would be more doubtful....


All in all, that team is under cap room, Griggy should be over, Quincey needs 1 more year in the minors then he can take Woolleys spot probably, hopefully.. Lilja isnt really great and i think we can upgrade over him definitely with some money we will save. We might just look at not resigning Cleary, but he could be our replacement/fill in player. I think Hudler deserves a spot with a strong camp, the kid cant do much more offensively in the AHL, either he Busts in the NHL or what, we need to play him next year.

Once Filppula is ready, lang will be gone, Fils can take a center spot possibly or convert to wing, and maybe we'll wheel and deal a trade and trade one of Hudler or Williams... who knows... holland has some thinking to do, but we have a TON of offensive weapons. Griggy, Zets, Dats, Huds, Shanny, Lang, all 3 of them have 20 goal potential, while a few have 30 goal potential, pretty damn good if you ask me..

btw, griggy gives us more size, which we lack this year.. hes 5'10, but if he reports in at 210+, thats size, however you look at it

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Ovechkin - Crosby - Grigorenko
Filppula - Williams - Samuelsson
Kopecky - Hudler - Bootland
Hackert - Ellis - me

Kronwall-Fischer
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Martens-Quincey

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zetterberg40
I love thinking about the next years team every year.
This is what we got thus far:

We currently have 20.6 mill towards next years cap, with a lot of people being UFA's

our current roster without fa's would be:

Zetterberg
Lang
Datsyuk

Draper
Maltby
Holmstrom

Schneider
Fischer
Kronwall

Howard

==========================

Ok so here it is:

Resignings:

Shanahan (has to come back!) 2. .28 this year, give him 2 million next year, sign him for 1 year, the guy can still play and if lang is getting 3.8 you gotta give shans after this year atleast 2 mill id say

Franzen, made 600k this year, give him 600k next year and maybe sign him for 2-3 years, then we'll see if he gets a increase but he isnt worth more then that..

Samuelsson i think is a redwing. He looks great here, streaky but atleast he can do other things ya know. 537k this year, id say give him 750k next year or so.

Jason Williams, 450k this year.. say he keeps it up, gets over 60+ pts this year, id say you gotta sign him for atleast 1.75 to 2 mill a year, tho he might be a 1 year wonder, but i doubt it, we all knew he just needed playing time.. so ill say next year 1.75, whether he signs for 2 mill the following year who knows, im talking next year

Hudler, made 633K this year, sign him for about 850k next year if your gonna play him, if hes iffy, sign him for 700k for 1 year then try for more the following, so im gonna say he sticks!

Grigorenko, the kid is gonna make around 850k i think as a max he could earn, and i think hes what we need for sure, give it to him, why not..

Cleary, keep him for about 500k, hes a great 4th liner who plays with heart, he aint worth anything else.

Lidstorm, if he keeps up how he has been recently, hes going to probably demand around 6, but i think we can lock him up for 5.5, so 5.0is what ill say because your not gonna see his type of potential locked up for much less and lets face it, i wouldnt wanna watch us with a niklas lidstromless team, it would be brutal

Chelios retires, great player, great teacher to the youngsters, you were awesome! thanks

If we believe lebda is the man, resign him, if not, resign woolley... pick 1 or the other, IMHO, ill take woolley, hes a vet, we might need vets around here still... sign woolls for 500k

Resign Legace for 1 mill, he was amazing to start, i personally dont feel much for osgood, so ill say id rather see Howard ease in faster with being a backup and getting a start every 3-4 games or a stint of 2-3 games rather then see him stay in GR because we all know the kid is NHL calibar, just needs more experience.

My team thus far:

Shanahan - Datsyuk - Hudler/Williams
Lang - Zetterberg - Grigorenko
Maltby - Draper - Franzen
Samuelsson - Williams/Hudler - Holmstrom
Cleary

my take, we might just try and trade williams off to get a stronger more physical scoring like youngster in here to play on a wing but who knows, for now ill say we keep him

Lidstrom - Kronwall
Schneider - Fischer (ill say he comes back!)
Woolley - UFA

Legace
Howard

We need a UFA in here with size, a vet who can play a mucking game like chelios who is solid, reliable and what not.. perferable, id loveeeeeeee to see Keith Carney in here or somehow get a Mattias Norstrom from LA, but that would be more doubtful....


All in all, that team is under cap room, Griggy should be over, Quincey needs 1 more year in the minors then he can take Woolleys spot probably, hopefully.. Lilja isnt really great and i think we can upgrade over him definitely with some money we will save. We might just look at not resigning Cleary, but he could be our replacement/fill in player. I think Hudler deserves a spot with a strong camp, the kid cant do much more offensively in the AHL, either he Busts in the NHL or what, we need to play him next year.

Once Filppula is ready, lang will be gone, Fils can take a center spot possibly or convert to wing, and maybe we'll wheel and deal a trade and trade one of Hudler or Williams... who knows... holland has some thinking to do, but we have a TON of offensive weapons. Griggy, Zets, Dats, Huds, Shanny, Lang, all 3 of them have 20 goal potential, while a few have 30 goal potential, pretty damn good if you ask me..

btw, griggy gives us more size, which we lack this year.. hes 5'10, but if he reports in at 210+, thats size, however you look at it
pretty accurate to what i've been thinking lately. i had my views on this a week or two ago. we never know who grigs might click with, but if we've got z and dats at center, either way we've got one hell of a line up.

agree shanny should be re-signed for somewhere between 2 - 2.25. he's still got the fire in him and has been making things happen almost every night

agree franzen should be re-signed for no less than 600k. no more than 800 (and that's stretching IMO right now.

sammuelsson should get no less than 600k, i like your figure better and who knows, without a couple vets he could see more time and hopefully more points. either way i agree he stays a wing.

williams, definitely should stay a wing, still fairly young, and barring a jawdropping 2nd half of the season should be retained for 1 mil or less. IMO final numbers should reflect his final numbers, but yes between 800 and 1.5 is more than reasonable IMO

grigs, you said it all

cleary, if he wants more than 600k we should let him walk and much to the chagrin of many, i'd say mowers would be retained for the 13th fwd.

lidstrom, should he stick around should be re-signed for no more than 6.5, hopefully closer to 5.75 - 6.

with the tear cheli's been on i'd almost think about keeping him, IMO depends if nik stays or retires, nik retires he stays... he's been 1 of our best dmen lately, and as you said, great teacher/mentor.. stays no more than he got this year

agree about lebda/woolley. personally lebda has shown he's got what it takes for the role. yes he's made his mistakes, but he's shown he's got it.

agree on legace... as a mentor to howard and a capable #1 (1a for those of you who still discredit legace) to howard.

should filppula show he's ready in camp, i'd look at moving lang for whatever we could get. i've got a gut feeling that hudler might not make it past this year in the winged wheel. it's obvious he aint getting the icetime now with the big club and some key players out.

also, if the articles have any merit to them, are the ones stating that revenue might go up, meaning the cap goes up .... always hopeful, but we'll see come next season.

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id still like to see a little more size, grit

esp with cheli, fisch, liljia possibly gone and shanny older still

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i agree... with my roster, we come out to be around to be 34.55

with around 5 million towards payroll we can spend about 2 mill on a good defensemen and if we need scoring with size we can spend 3 million


3 million would give us a damn good offensive forward with some scoring and size..

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pretty accurate to what i've been thinking lately. i had my views on this a week or two ago. we never know who grigs might click with, but if we've got z and dats at center, either way we've got one hell of a line up.

agree shanny should be re-signed for somewhere between 2 - 2.25. he's still got the fire in him and has been making things happen almost every night

agree franzen should be re-signed for no less than 600k. no more than 800 (and that's stretching IMO right now.

sammuelsson should get no less than 600k, i like your figure better and who knows, without a couple vets he could see more time and hopefully more points. either way i agree he stays a wing.

williams, definitely should stay a wing, still fairly young, and barring a jawdropping 2nd half of the season should be retained for 1 mil or less. IMO final numbers should reflect his final numbers, but yes between 800 and 1.5 is more than reasonable IMO

grigs, you said it all

cleary, if he wants more than 600k we should let him walk and much to the chagrin of many, i'd say mowers would be retained for the 13th fwd.

lidstrom, should he stick around should be re-signed for no more than 6.5, hopefully closer to 5.75 - 6.

with the tear cheli's been on i'd almost think about keeping him, IMO depends if nik stays or retires, nik retires he stays... he's been 1 of our best dmen lately, and as you said, great teacher/mentor.. stays no more than he got this year

agree about lebda/woolley. personally lebda has shown he's got what it takes for the role. yes he's made his mistakes, but he's shown he's got it.

agree on legace... as a mentor to howard and a capable #1 (1a for those of you who still discredit legace) to howard.

should filppula show he's ready in camp, i'd look at moving lang for whatever we could get. i've got a gut feeling that hudler might not make it past this year in the winged wheel. it's obvious he aint getting the icetime now with the big club and some key players out.

also, if the articles have any merit to them, are the ones stating that revenue might go up, meaning the cap goes up .... always hopeful, but we'll see come next season.
If filppula is ready thats kinda risky tho... Hudler will basically still be a rookie.. Griggy is a rookie, Fils will be a rookie, thats 3 rookie forwards and if we move lang like you said we need to sign or get a good scoring vet back in return with some size and i dont think many teams are gonna wanna trade for a guy like lang when they can just pick up one off of the ufa wire for just money and no assets..

All in all, we are set up pretty damn good. Once langs contract is up, filppula will be in for sure and we can use more money to sign guys

question is, once lang is gone, do we want to just build the rest of the team with bottom 6 guys and let finesse players like Hudler, Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula and Williams be in the top 6 along with Grigorenko.. thats kinda a reach, IMHO one of them will be moved, who..? probably williams as the odd man out, he can fetch us something good by then... so many after the 06-07 season, we might see lang out as a free agent and Williams traded for depth on the blueline if fischer doesnt hold up and able to play or for scoring wingers with size or for once, picks..

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This is the lineup I would LIKE to see in Detroit next year, though not necessarily in these line combinations:

Zetterberg(2.5)-Datsyuk(4)-Shanahan(3)
Hudler(750k)-Lang(3.8)-Grigs(750k)
Maltby(1.4)-Draper(2.1)-Williams(1.25)
Samuelsson(750k)-Franzenstein(RR!750k)-Cleary(500k)
Homer(1.3)

Chara(6)-Kronwall(2)
Schneider(3.5)-X
Lebda(500k)-Lilja(750k)

Howard(1)
Legace(1.5)

Total: +-38.1 mil

This lineup has several caveats to it. First off, I've guessed high on Shanahan and Chara. Shanny might sign for 2, and Chara might sign for 5, so they could end up with more money to play with.

Also, this assumes that the cap will be 39 mil, which it most definitely won't. Higher or lower, it won't be exactly 39.

I don't see how they can go into next season without trading at least one of Maltby, Draper and Homer. I like them all, but they make too much money for the amount they contribute. Draper would be the first guy I'd try to trade. I would include Lang here but I don't think there's any way to trade him. But he's another guy that could go to save money.

I've left X blank because if they free up some cash I'd like to see Lidstrom there, but at a Schneider-esque price, max. He has played better offensively of late, but he's the slowest guy on the team and I can't see anything but a continued, rapid dropoff in his defense going forward. If they can unload Draper and/or Maltby and/or Homer, then Lidstrom could slide into that spot, and Quincey would take Lilja's place in the 3rd pair with Lebda. I like Lebda a lot, and he should be a part of the plan as a solid 4th/5th defenseman with offensive upside. If they can't shave any payroll off, they'd have to either find a mega-cheap UFA to fill that slot or put either Lilja or Quincey with Schneider. Or, if Fischer is able to return, he'd be great there. But let's treat that as a probably-not scenario for now.

This team is still not tough, but it is helped a lot by the addition of Chara.
Williams will want a healthy raise, but since he's only had the one year so far, I'm confident they'll get him to sign something like a 2 year deal for 2.5 or 3 mil - a nice raise, but not breaking the bank until they find out if he's a long-term stud guy.
If space is made up front and/or if Grigs needs some GR time, Filppula could come up and play on the third line, with Williams going back to the top 2. They're the Wings, they're flexible as far as 1st line, 4th line, whatever.
If Shanahan goes elsewhere or if they deal Lang and don't bring back Lidstrom, they could go after someone like Samsonov, or a winger with size.
I'd much rather have Lebda than Woolley. I like Woolley, but Lebda is better on D, has better wheels, is younger, more durable, etc.
Before everyone goes nuts about Lidstrom, remember that he can't skate anymore. He shouldn't see anywhere near 6 mil, or even 5. If anyone gets that money, as I've stated here and elsewhere, it should be Chara. He's a Norris winner very soon, he brings toughness, he scores, he skates, he does it all. And he's 28. Easy decision.
For the love of GOD don't bring back Chelios. Give his spot to Quincey. The kid can play.

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Shanahan---Zetterberg---Samuelsson
Hudler-------Datsyuk-----Grigorenko
Filppula------Franzen-----Holmstrom
Maltby-------Draper------Bootland

Lidstrom------Lebda
Schneider----Kronwall
Lilja----------Quincey

Howard

A youth movement. Lang should be moved; Fischer, unfortunately, appears unlikely to return; Cleary is expendable; Yzerman retires, and possibly Chelios retires (it's gotta happen one day); Williams is the odd man out.

However, I'm not sold on Hudler yet. He hasn't looked comfortable yet in the NHL. I hope he shows something more in this period of filling in for Lang. Otherwise, the Wings may have to see what they can get in a trade for him. Being great in the AHL doesn't guarantee success in the NHL.

So if Hudler doesn't make it, pencil Williams back into the lineup. Unless the Wings get someone better than Williams in a trade for Hudler---and Lang. But Lang will be more of a salary dump, so they would probably get prospects and picks for him.

What about Grand Rapids next year? Who will be added? McGrath and Kindl? Anyone from Europe? Or maybe Kolosau from the USHL?

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I'd really like to see Hudler play some with Lang. I guess that all depends on how long Steve is out. I just don't think Jiri looks good with Datsyuk

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I'd really like to see Hudler play some with Lang. I guess that all depends on how long Steve is out. I just don't think Jiri looks good with Datsyuk
I thought Hudler had a strong game vs Pit. No points, but he was around the puck a lot and made things happen. No coincidence that he got some PP time.

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This is the lineup I would LIKE to see in Detroit next year, though not necessarily in these line combinations:

Zetterberg(2.5)-Datsyuk(4)-Shanahan(3)
Hudler(750k)-Lang(3.8)-Grigs(750k)
Maltby(1.4)-Draper(2.1)-Williams(1.25)
Samuelsson(750k)-Franzenstein(RR!750k)-Cleary(500k)
Homer(1.3)

Chara(6)-Kronwall(2)
Schneider(3.5)-X
Lebda(500k)-Lilja(750k)

Howard(1)
Legace(1.5)

Total: +-38.1 mil
My lineup is very similar to yours. I completely agree with your assessments of Shanny, Williams & Lidstrom and the amounts you have them pegged for.

I would like next year's team to look like this (same deal, not necessarily these line combos):

Zetterberg(2.5)-Datsyuk(4)-Shanahan(3)
Filppula(750k)-Lang(3.8)-Williams(1.25)
Maltby(1.4)-Draper(2.1)-Franzen(750k)
Samuelsson(750k)-Cleary(500k)-Homer(1.3)
Hudler(750k)

Chara(6)-Kronwall(840k)
Schneider(3.3)-Lidstrom(3)
Lebda(500k)-Quincey(500k)
Chelios (800k)

Howard(640k)
Legace(1.5)

Total: +-39.9 mil

If the cap comes in lower than 40m and we can't dump at least one of Draper/Maltby/Homer, then Lidstrom is the guy who doesn't get signed. Instead I'd bring back Lilja or a similar large defender who will come in under 1M. Or maybe Chara & Shanny won't cost as much. Lots of possibilities to make a roster like this actually happen.

I don't believe Grigs will make the team. I would rather see him in GR for a year first, and get Filppula into the lineup next year.

I'm not high on Hudler. I think he's worth keeping around because he could break out, but as of right now I see him in the Mowers role. I'm really starting to doubt he's got the tools to flourish in the NHL though.

Finally, I would retain Chelios assuming he still wants to play. He's a perfect fit for the 6th/7th defender role. I would rather have Quincey in the top 4 playing with a Chara or Schneider and getting good minutes, break him in like Fisch was. And with our luck on the blueline I think we need at least 7 guys who can play, and probably one or two more lined up (like Woolley) just in case. So I would definitely bring Cheli back for a modest sum in Rivers spot.

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I don't think Hudler could be a reserve forward. It seems like he's a scorer or nothing, since he doesn't really check or play much defense and he's not a faceoff or PK guru. So if he can't hack it as a sniper, he'll have to go. You want to have a reserve guy that can do it all, but most importantly, a guy that keeps it simple and will make the safe play. Hudler isn't that guy. Likewise, I don't like the idea of Chelios as the extra D. His even strength play this year has not been that good, and they really need a reserve guy that is versatile.

And if the top 4 is Schneider Chara Kronwall and Quincey, I think you'd have to put Kronwall with Chara and Quincey with Schneider. Kronner's offensive game would complement Chara's tough game, and Quincey's defensive game would complement Schneider's offense.

One other thought, they could move Maltby to defense. There has been talk of him playing D in a pinch if needed, but could he do it regularly? He could play on the third pair with Lebda and still kill penalties as a forward, and his lack of offense wouldn't be as noticeable as it is now. I'm intrigued by this idea.

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I thought Hudler had a strong game vs Pit. No points, but he was around the puck a lot and made things happen. No coincidence that he got some PP time.
Oh, I agree. Once he got into a steady flow he looked decent. He just needs more time to settle in. I just hope he gets that chance.

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nobody here sees us signing any free agents (other than a couple chara suggestions)? i like our team... but we can do better than what we've got.

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Nabokov
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Give up the dream. Chara is not going to be here next season.

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What about Grand Rapids next year? Who will be added? McGrath and Kindl? Anyone from Europe? Or maybe Kolosau from the USHL?
Kindl was just drafted..so he won't be signed until after next year. Mcgrath, Miroslav Blatak, and Andreas Jamtin will probably be signed for Grand Rapids. Kolasau might be signed, but I highly doubt he'd make the AHL, so he'll probably end up in the ECHL.

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Give up the dream. Chara is not going to be here next season.
We can hope

You're pretty adamant that a team will come up with the coin to give Chara a max contract. Any idea which ones might be able to do that? They'd have to have the cap space and be in the market for a franchise defenseman. Unless Chara gives the Sens a discount he'll be moving on, so I don't see why a 6M offer from the Wings wouldn't be at least competitive. The premier UFA defenseman this season was Niedermayer and he got 6.75M.

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Keep in mind with the NHL's new projected revenue of $2.2 billion, the salary cap will be around $49 million.

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Lots to respond to.

It looks like if the Wings bring back Shanny they won't have any room up front, and if they sign Chara or Redden they won't have any room under the cap. That's why you don't hear UFA talk. And since Howard is coming along so nicely it'd be tough to imagine them signing a big UFA goalie, and I'd be disappointed if they did.

Note the "for fun" in the thread title, then rethink your "give up the dream" comment.

If the cap really is 49 mil, or anywhere near that, then the Wings should throw the kitchen sink at Chara. They'd still have plenty left over for Lidstrom.

The Wings could sign Kindl next summer. Just because a guy is your property for 2 years doesn't mean you have to wait until the deadline, and he's having a great season. It wouldn't be a bad idea to get him to GR for 06-07. A lot of guys drafted in 05 were signed by their clubs.

I don't like the Nabokov idea. As stated above, I don't want any big UFA goalies bumping Howard back down. And Nabby has played like crap for most of the past couple seasons. No playoff success either. No thanks. Especially since some team will want to overpay him a la Khabibulin.

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The Wings could sign Kindl next summer. Just because a guy is your property for 2 years doesn't mean you have to wait until the deadline, and he's having a great season. It wouldn't be a bad idea to get him to GR for 06-07. A lot of guys drafted in 05 were signed by their clubs.
We could sign him but he'd have to stay with the Wings or go back to Kitchener. Kids coming out of Juniors can't play in the AHL if they are still Junior eligible. The only teenagers in the AHL are ones that came from Europe.

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We could sign him but he'd have to stay with the Wings or go back to Kitchener. Kids coming out of Juniors can't play in the AHL if they are still Junior eligible. The only teenagers in the AHL are ones that came from Europe.
Yea, I know we could sign him..but since he was just drafted, I'm sure the Wings will let him develop another year in the OHL.

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Give up the dream. Chara is not going to be here next season.
Even if Lilja promises to give up the #3 jersey??

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We can hope

You're pretty adamant that a team will come up with the coin to give Chara a max contract. Any idea which ones might be able to do that? They'd have to have the cap space and be in the market for a franchise defenseman. Unless Chara gives the Sens a discount he'll be moving on, so I don't see why a 6M offer from the Wings wouldn't be at least competitive. The premier UFA defenseman this season was Niedermayer and he got 6.75M.

Most teams were srambling around this year to get under the cap. Some teams are already in the mindset of clearing space for next off season. If Neidermayer got 6.75, then I can see Chara getting atleast that. I agree that he will be moving on, I dont think Ottawa will be able to keep him.

I have a feeling the Wings #1 target next season will be a stud goaltender. Thats where their "big money" will go towards, IMO. Schneider is in tow, Kronwall should be healthy, Lidstrom will most likely be back at a much lesser salary. All that is lacking on the blueline is toughness. And you can get that from cheaper players like Jay McKee, etc.... I dont really see the necessitiy to throw huge money at Zdeno Chara. It would be nice..but it isnt necessary.

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Hmm, that's an interesting idea but I'm not sure if there's going to be a goalie worth going after. Legace might be the best guy on the market, as strange as that is to say.

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