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12-14-2005, 07:40 AM
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Flyers over the cap

According to the Inquirer, the Flyers are over the cap by $800 000.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/13401201.htm

"The Flyers are over the $39 million salary cap by $800,000. Because Keith Primeau (concussion) has been placed on the long-term injury list, his $3,166,000 salary is off the books. That means the Flyers can exceed the cap by $3 million if they need to. However, once Primeau returns, they would have to shed the extra money to get back under the cap."

What i don't understand is the last part. Why would they "have to shed the extra money to get under the cap" when Primeau's cap space has HARDLY been used while he has been healthy? I'm sure his replacement(s) have been earning MUCH less than he makes. So, shouldn't that even out (ou give the Flyers cap space?)?

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Because you only get to use that cap space when the player is on the DL, you can't take that saved money and spread it out. Once the player comes back from injury, his salary counts full towards the cap.

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I would assum 500K would go off straight away as a player will be sent down once Primeau comes back.

The other 300K can be saved by sending players down inbetween games. I dont really think its much of a worry.

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Well of course, since the Flyers right now have the following Phantoms players on their roster:

Ben Eager: 600k
Eric Chouinard: 450k
Freddy Meyer: 450k

That's 1.5 million coming off the books when the Flyers get back some of their injured players. The only injured Flyer whose salary doesnt count is Primeau's, that means the Flyers are still taking the cap hit from Gagne, Pitkanen, Desjardins etc. aswell as the callups.

I think Savage (450k) should be waived/traded when he comes back from injury, and if Ellison (580k) is on a two-way he might be sent down, that's another million.

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So we're not in a similar situation to the Devils (who will be forced to trade a significant body when Elias gets back)?

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Well of course, since the Flyers right now have the following Phantoms players on their roster:

Ben Eager: 600k
Eric Chouinard: 450k
Freddy Meyer: 450k

That's 1.5 million coming off the books when the Flyers get back some of their injured players. The only injured Flyer whose salary doesnt count is Primeau's, that means the Flyers are still taking the cap hit from Gagne, Pitkanen, Desjardins etc. aswell as the callups.

I think Savage (450k) should be waived/traded when he comes back from injury, and if Ellison (580k) is on a two-way he might be sent down, that's another million.
Even if all your predictions hold true, that doesn't leave us much for picking up a winger before the trade deadline.

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So we're not in a similar situation to the Devils (who will be forced to trade a significant body when Elias gets back)?
nowhere near the devils situation... they're like 4M over the cap or something.

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Even if all your predictions hold true, that doesn't leave us much for picking up a winger before the trade deadline.
Waive Brashear and everything is solved. Keep Eager up for the last couple of months in the season and replace him if neccessary for the playoffs.

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Even if all your predictions hold true, that doesn't leave us much for picking up a winger before the trade deadline.

and if we were to pick someone up, only whats left on his contract will go toward the cap, not his full salary

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check this Forsberg poll out

http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.p...30#post4161230

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What i don't understand is [why they would] "have to shed the extra money to get under the cap" when Primeau's cap space has HARDLY been used while he has been healthy?
Think of it this way: Primeau's salary ALWAYS counts in the overall payroll of the team, although all the money the Flyers are paying out doesn't necessarily count against toward their payroll figure for cap purposes. Since he's on the long-term injury list (10 games or 24 days), the Flyers' cap essentially is raised to around $42M, or the amount of his salary above $39M. This probably could also apply to Savage, and definitely would for Desjardins and Pitkanen. Unless I'm missing something, their actual cap limit now is probably closer to $46-47M. However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they still would have problems if they traded for someone good and pricey - unless they had a Cloutier-like situation, where they could more or less be assured that they wouldn't have that player back this season.

Boy, it's such a valuable asset to have guys like Umberger, Carter, Richards, Niittymaki contributing now as they are.

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The same could be said about having Randy Jones, Dennis Seidenberg, and Freddy Meyer.

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Boy, it's such a valuable asset to have guys like Umberger, Carter, Richards, Niittymaki contributing now as they are.
Thnx for the clarification and ditto on the above quote! We are VERY lucky to have such depth (the playoff drive last year in the AHL did a lot for this year's Flyers!).

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hasn't Savage been injured long enough to put him on the Long-term time injured list?

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Savage will get waived, hopefully.

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Savage will get waived, hopefully.
I hope he does too but in order for the Flyers to get off the hook don't we need for some other franchise to take him?

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I hope he does too but in order for the Flyers to get off the hook don't we need for some other franchise to take him?
If he goes unclaimed and Flyers send him down to the Phantoms the Flyers are off the hook.
(A comparison would be Shawn McEachern who passed waivers and is now with Providence)

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according to http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/ matt ellison ben eager and eric chouinard were all sent down to the phantoms today. so thats less cap right there. evebn if they come back in a few days

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according to http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/ matt ellison ben eager and eric chouinard were all sent down to the phantoms today. so thats less cap right there. evebn if they come back in a few days
Who's comming back off injury?

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Who's comming back off injury?
no one, they sent them down to get them off the cap, them they will recall them

any time they play, practice, or travel with the team their salary goes against the cap

that is why they don't practice with the team. and also why eager and chouinard traveled separate to Columbus.

they send them down as much as possible to keep whatever little of the cap

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Who's comming back off injury?
no one, they sent them down to get them off the cap, then they will recall them

any time they play, practice, or travel with the team their salary goes against the cap

that is why they don't practice with the team. and also why eager and chouinard traveled separate to Columbus.

they send them down as much as possible to keep whatever little of the cap

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If he goes unclaimed and Flyers send him down to the Phantoms the Flyers are off the hook.
(A comparison would be Shawn McEachern who passed waivers and is now with Providence)
Just to add to LOTN's comment, they still would have to pay him his full salary, but he wouldn't count against the cap - "off the hook," as he wrote. However, if they were to recall him, they'd have to count half his salary against the cap. I believe any team claiming a player who cleared waivers would only have to pay half the salary, too.

Can this be right? If so, doesn't this mean that the Ducks are only counting half of Marchant's salary toward their cap figure this year? What about next year? Did the stipulation that only half the salary of a player who cleared waivers would count against the cap disappear like a fart in the wind when he was traded from Columbus. Will I ever marry? (Yeah, stupid, remember all those Modern Bride strown around the den and the decreasing balance in your checkbook that you can't possibly hope to recover in gifts.) Oh yeah, right.

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no one, they sent them down to get them off the cap, then they will recall them

any time they play, practice, or travel with the team their salary goes against the cap

that is why they don't practice with the team. and also why eager and chouinard traveled separate to Columbus.

they send them down as much as possible to keep whatever little of the cap
Daft isnt it? teams are spending more on travel sending players back on forth just to save a small amount of cap room.

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Daft isnt it? teams are spending more on travel sending players back on forth just to save a small amount of cap room.
Not the Flyers, they're just sending them across the street. Teams that don't have that luxury are up the creek.

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Teams are still doing though, Vancouver (I think) were sending players on a flight just to get players away from the city, they would go home for a few hours and then fly back because if they were in Vancouver, they counted against the cap. They had to keep flight records and everything.

The Flyers still have to send people home if they are on a road trip just like the example above.

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