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10-16-2003, 06:53 PM
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Discussion: Penalty Shots To Decide A Tie?

Would you be in favor of having penalty shots at the end of a 5 minute 4 on 4 OT period if neither team scored in OT?

This would only apply in the Reg. Season and not effect the current Playoff format...

Why or why not?

I'll hold my opninion for now.

 
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No, I don't think there should be penalty shots to win a game, because teams like the Penguins and Hurricanes would have the disadvantage against teams like Colorado and Ottawa who have more talented players.

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I can't decide. I was against it, but now I'm neutral. I could live with either

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No, I don't think there should be penalty shots to win a game, because teams like the Penguins and Hurricanes would have the disadvantage against teams like Colorado and Ottawa who have more talented players.
Isn't that the point of any competition? That the best team wins and we should stop hadicapping teams that don't have as much talent. Were the league will force teams to employ the trap and everyone will turn into a 0-0 or 1-1 tie?

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Why not? They already arbitrarily made overtime 4 on 4..

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100% against it, I already dont like the 4on 4 dont make the game anymore of a hybrid than it is.

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Why not? They already arbitrarily made overtime 4 on 4..
Letting them do another arbitrary thing would be bad then wouldnt it?

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I'm also against it. I don't think it should come down to Penalty shots.

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Both teams still get a point do they not???

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Isn't that the point of any competition? That the best team wins and we should stop hadicapping teams that don't have as much talent. Were the league will force teams to employ the trap and everyone will turn into a 0-0 or 1-1 tie?
If a team like the Penguins worked hard to get the game to go to OT, it's not right that a team like Colorado wins just because they have better scorers on their team.

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They should just have continuous sudden death overtime. I know people will say the games will go on for too long, but all they really have to do is take all back-to-back games out of the schedule, or just suck it up like they do in baseball.

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Letting them do another arbitrary thing would be bad then wouldnt it?
Yup, but if they decide for entertainment over integrity of the game, why not make it more entertaining? I'd actually rather just see 5-on-5 overtime frankly. Maybe 10 minutes 5-on-5.

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Both teams still get a point do they not???
Yes, loser gets 1pt, winner gets 2pts.

 
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I'd think that a shootout would be cool. I think it would work very well, especially if people still got the point like in an OTL. If you weren't getting a point anyway, it might be different but if you are, then go for it and make it exciting.

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No. In fact I'm all for getting rid of OT during the regular season all together. It's the best of hockey, save it for the playoffs.

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Yup, but if they decide for entertainment over integrity of the game, why not make it more entertaining? I'd actually rather just see 5-on-5 overtime frankly. Maybe 10 minutes 5-on-5.
I think a lot of these things they have tried for Entertainment to get so called new fans backfire and piss off diehards.

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There is nothing worse than paying to see a tie

 
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No. In fact I'm all for getting rid of OT during the regular season all together. It's the best of hockey, save it for the playoffs.
I like that better than the 4 on 4.

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If a team like the Penguins worked hard to get the game to go to OT, it's not right that a team like Colorado wins just because they have better scorers on their team.
Pittsburgh has a goaltending advantage though in that situation. Besides, it is one way to kill clutching and grabbing. It'll force teams to at least put out a roster that is reasonably talented.

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Please, no.

Please stop ruining this great game!

Believe it or not, once there was a time, not so long ago, when there was no OT at all during the regular season. Physical play (not to be confused with dirty play) was accepted as an integral part of the game, and two guys dropping their gloves was preferred over guys taking their sticks high to each other's head. Player didn't dive ad neaseum to get calls (with the exception of Bill Barber ). Goalies wore pads, not stuffing and sticks were made of wood, only.

To be fair, the game at that time, lacked any substantive network TV contract in the US, and was a distant fourth among the major pro team sports.

Fast forward 20-25 years. Much "progress" has been made to "improve" the game : OT during the regular season, then an "advanced" form of OT, whereby you can give up a goal and lose...yet not really lose and still be rewarded with a point! Hitting has increasingly been phased out of the game, with penalties now often called (in this fan's view) based on the force of the impact, rather than the legality of the check. Defending one's teammate is discouraged by a silly instigator rule, that has reduced fisticuffs to essentially staged bouts between each team's designated, token goon and taken much spontaneity out of the game. As a by-product, the unwritten law about not using the stick up high on an opponent has disappeared.

And the result?

The NHL still makes barely anything in TV revenue (relative to other major sports), it's popularity in the US has clearly been surpassed by college football and basketball, as well as NASCAR, and - unlike 20 years ago - arena capacity leaguewide is not in the high 90s, percentage-wise, anymore.

Progress.

Now you want to have the NHL equivalent of the slamdunk or homerun derby (accentuating individual over team) added to the mix?

No thanks. Keep shootouts for the Olympics, beer leagues and Pee Wees.

The sport has been damaged enough.

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Please, no.

Please stop ruining this great game!

Believe it or not, once there was a time, not so long ago, when there was no OT at all during the regular season. Physical play (not to be confused with dirty play) was accepted as an integral part of the game, and two guys dropping their gloves was preferred over guys taking their sticks high to each other's head. Player didn't dive ad neaseum to get calls (with the exception of Bill Barber ). Goalies wore pads, not stuffing and sticks were made of wood, only.

To be fair, the game at that time, lacked any substantive network TV contract in the US, and was a distant fourth among the major pro team sports.

Fast forward 20-25 years. Much "progress" has been made to "improve" the game : OT during the regular season, then an "advanced" form of OT, whereby you can give up a goal and lose...yet not really lose and still be rewarded with a point! Hitting has increasingly been phased out of the game, with penalties now often called (in this fan's view) based on the force of the impact, rather than the legality of the check. Defending one's teammate is discouraged by a silly instigator rule, that has reduced fisticuffs to essentially staged bouts between each team's designated, token goon and taken much spontaneity out of the game. As a by-product, the unwritten law about using the stick up high on an opponent has disappeared.

And the result?

The NHL still makes barely anything in TV revenue (relative to other major sports), it's popularity in the US has clearly been surpassed by college football and basketball, as well as NASCAR, and - unlike 20 years ago - arena capacity leaguewide is not in the high 90s, percentage-wise, anymore.

Progress.

Now you want to have the NHL equivalent of the slamdunk or homerun derby (accentuating individual over team) added to the mix?

No thanks. Keep shootouts for the Olympics, beer leagues and Pee Wees.

The sport has been damaged enough.
If they had a HOF for posts here that would be a nominee. Well said Trottier.

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Isn't that the point of any competition? That the best team wins and we should stop hadicapping teams that don't have as much talent. Were the league will force teams to employ the trap and everyone will turn into a 0-0 or 1-1 tie?
The other side of that coin is that if the supposedly better team hasn't managed to win in 65 minutes of game, they don't deserve penalties to get yet another shot at it. The only advantage is that the homecrowd gets to see something exciting after even the most boring game.

Personally I'm not that fond of OT at all. If it is a draw, it is a draw. Trying to decide a winner in a game that wasn't won by either team is wrong.

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If a team like the Penguins worked hard to get the game to go to OT, it's not right that a team like Colorado wins just because they have better scorers on their team.

You mean Colorado wins because it has the money to pay bigger name players.. That is unfair. It's a team game and penatly shots take TEAM right out of the game.

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The other side of that coin is that if the supposedly better team hasn't managed to win in 65 minutes of game, they don't deserve penalties to get yet another shot at it. The only advantage is that the homecrowd gets to see something exciting after even the most boring game.

Personally I'm not that fond of OT at all. If it is a draw, it is a draw. Trying to decide a winner in a game that wasn't won by either team is wrong.
You know what else is wrong, ties. It defeats the purpose of competetion an imo lack of ties legitimizes a sport. The other 3 sports, MLB, NFL and NBA don't have ties. The NFL technically does, but there is a tie what, once every 6 or 7 years? The less ties, the more legitimacy a sport has.

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