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10-16-2003, 06:43 AM
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OT: Does tonight's baseball game set up as potentially the best in MLB history?

seriously, Pedro vs. the Rocket???

Game 7???

Yankees vs. Red Sox???

After the Zimmer incident? Can we even imagine what kind of booing Pedro Martinez is going to receive? Will he suck it up, or fold under the INCREDIBLE pressure?



Potentially Clemens last game as a pro, if the Yanks lose, and what team would it be to? The Red Sox, of course!!!

Just an absolutely amazing set-up for a game tonight

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10-16-2003, 06:49 AM
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seriously, Pedro vs. the Rocket???

Game 7???

Yankees vs. Red Sox???

After the Zimmer incident? Can we even imagine what kind of booing Pedro Martinez is going to receive? Will he suck it up, or fold under the INCREDIBLE pressure?



Potentially Clemens last game as a pro, if the Yanks lose, and what team would it be to? The Red Sox, of course!!!

Just an absolutely amazing set-up for a game tonight
I KNOW! I'm SOOO pumped for this game! I just can't decide which game will take priority on my television

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10-16-2003, 06:53 AM
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I HATE Baseball.

Any sport that can be played by fat, beer guzzling "athletes" shouldn't be called a sport. To me baseball ranks slightly ahead of golf and bowling. So boring to watch on TV it makes me sick.

That said, I agree and I have to admit that if I was ever going to watch a ballgame, this one would be it. But I'll be at Skyreach so moot point (although it'll be on some monitors on the catwalk).

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Dude... it's baseball...

the complete anti-christ of hockey.

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Baseball is a thinkers game. You have to understand the game and understand the situations to understand the incredible amount of pressure that each player is under. I love it, it's probably my favorite sport (neck and neck with hockey). The only thing is that I hate, I HATE, I HATE both the Red Sox AND the Yankees......

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I'm 25 and I think it's the game of my generation if it can live up to half of the hype and anticipation it will be off the charts. These have easily been the best playoffs I have ever watched and this is easily the most excited I have been for a game not involving my team (Giants). Last year was a great ride for me but only Giant and Angel fans really cared this year even casual fans are lining up. Yesterday there was a TV set up at a food fair and the place was packed watching game 6.

This will be the most hostile crowd Pedro will ever face and for Boston fans and that organization this is there World Series, I just can't wait. Hope the Oilers play well but unless the ball game is a complete dog, I will only be watching during comercials. Lets go Pedro! Sox 4-2

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seriously, Pedro vs. the Rocket???

Game 7???

Yankees vs. Red Sox???

After the Zimmer incident? Can we even imagine what kind of booing Pedro Martinez is going to receive? Will he suck it up, or fold under the INCREDIBLE pressure?



Potentially Clemens last game as a pro, if the Yanks lose, and what team would it be to? The Red Sox, of course!!!

Just an absolutely amazing set-up for a game tonight
This is going to be CRAZY.

Martinez/Clemens...in the Bronx. Damn.

As much as I'd love to see the Sox get to the series, I'm predicting Pedro folds like a cheap lawn chair.

Speaking of baseball, how 'bout them Cubbies?

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Dusty Baker mismanaged that game so badly last night they should run him out of town. Really, when your starter throws that many pitches in the first you know he's on borrowed time. When they got the 5-3 lead, Baker should have brought in another arm (like Clement) and pitched him until he got into trouble. No sense holding back.

The Red Sox are heartbreak incorporated. In 1975, the day after Fisk's midnight homer off the foul pole, they lost game 7 (Joe Morgan of Sunday Night Baseball had a big game for the Reds). In 1986 McNamara didn't put in Dave Stapleton to play first over Bill Bucker and Clemens had a blister (but we found out years later that he didn't want to come out of the game).

BoSox will be up 4-3 heading into the 9th when Scott Williamson has a bout of wildness. He'll walk the bases loaded, then strike out 2. Then he'll walk in a run to tie it.

On an 0-2 count he'll stumble on the mound, the umps will call a balk and the Yankees willn win.

Take it to the bank.

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Dusty Baker mismanaged that game so badly last night they should run him out of town. Really, when your starter throws that many pitches in the first you know he's on borrowed time. When they got the 5-3 lead, Baker should have brought in another arm (like Clement) and pitched him until he got into trouble. No sense holding back.
Absolutely Dusty got his lunch handed to him by Trader Jack. I thought it was risky to bring Wood out in the 5th with a 5-3 game his controll was off and they were having great at bats against him. After the lead off walk I was sure he'd get the yank but instead he stayed all inning and gave up 3 and the lead. Somehow Dusty thought he had another inning in him and he gave up another. Also why would you pitch to the #8 hitter in a 2 run game with 2 outs and the pitcher Becket in the on deck? there was nobody in the Marlins bullpen so he was hitting regardless, result 2 run single from Gonzalez. Socia dominated Dusty in the Series last year and Jack took him to school again this year. He's great at making his team believe they can win just not a good game manager. Clement should have been brought in and with 3 days untill the WS Wood shouldof been on a short leash not in for 7 runs.

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Dude... it's baseball...

the complete anti-christ of hockey.
Agree. It just seems so slooooow when you're used to watching hockey.

Baseball = Boring *yawns*

All that said, I still might just sneak a peak or two. :p

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I'm not a big baseball fan. I'll cheer for the Jays or the Expos but it's just too slow. I went to a White Sox game once. Anyway, what I had to say was that baseball is soooooo not a T.V. friendly sport. Going to the games and atmosphere make the game.

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Going to the games and atmosphere make the game.
I think you could say that for most sports. It's always better to see it live...being able to see everything vs. what the camera shows you makes a big difference. This is especially true for hockey and football.

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I think you could say that for most sports. It's always better to see it live...being able to see everything vs. what the camera shows you makes a big difference. This is especially true for hockey and football.
I went to see an NBA game live and I couldn't believe how loud their sneakers squeaked on the court; very annoying... sounded like a whole 'herd' of mice had been let loose.

Basketball is better to watch on TV imo.

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Dusty Baker mismanaged that game so badly last night they should run him out of town. Really, when your starter throws that many pitches in the first you know he's on borrowed time. When they got the 5-3 lead, Baker should have brought in another arm (like Clement) and pitched him until he got into trouble. No sense holding back.
Jack McKeon... he sent out Josh Beckett after two days rest. Excellent move as Beckett shut them down for 4 innings (minus the homerun of course).

Geez, Miguel Cabrera. He's 20 years old for gosh sakes. What a performance by him.

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I never watched any of the Cubbies games, what was the whole scoop with that fans' interference?

I only saw it on tv at the gym without any volume so I know Alou would have caught it, but what was the score/inning/how many outs?

People keep talking about it like it cost them the game.

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I never watched any of the Cubbies games, what was the whole scoop with that fans' interference?

I only saw it on tv at the gym without any volume so I know Alou would have caught it, but what was the score/inning/how many outs?

People keep talking about it like it cost them the game.

Centre of the Game 6 storm apologizes, Florida governor offers him asylum
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CHICAGO -- The fan who played a key role in the Chicago Cubs' collapse in Game 6 of the NL Championship Series apologized yesterday, saying he was brokenhearted.

With the Cubs five outs from advancing to the World Series for the first time since 1945, Steve Bartman tried to grab a foul ball, preventing outfielder Moises Alou from catching it. That helped the Florida Marlins rally for an 8-3 victory to tie the NL Championship Series Tuesday night.

The Cubs lost the series in last night's Game 7, falling 9-6 to the Marlins at Wrigley Field.

"I had my eyes glued on the approaching ball the entire time and was so caught up in the moment that I did not even see Moises Alou, much less that he may have had a play," Bartman said in a statement.

"Had I thought for one second that the ball was playable or had I seen Alou approaching, I would have done whatever I could to get out of the way and give Alou a chance to make the catch."

The 26-year-old Bartman was escorted by security guards from Wrigley Field after he was threatened by angry fans and pelted with debris.

Bartman apologized to Cubs fans everywhere, adding he was "truly sorry from the bottom of this Cubs fan's broken heart.

"I ask that Cub fans everywhere redirect the negative energy that has been vented towards my family, my friends and myself into the usual positive support for our beloved team on their way to being National League champs," Bartman said.

Hours after the Marlins forced the decisive seventh game, Bartman was the talk of the town. Angry broadcasters castigated him. A local newspaper found in a web poll thousands of people blamed him for playing a role in the Cubs' loss.

Even the governor weighed in.

"Nobody can justify any kind of threat to someone who does something stupid like reach for that ball," Gov. Rod Blagojevich said.

In Florida, Gov. Jeb Bush said an offer of asylum to Bartman might be a good idea, and an oceanfront retreat in Pompano Beach offered him a free three-month stay if he needed to get out of Chicago.

Earlier in the day, neighbours and other fans had various opinions on whether Bartman should have tried to catch the ball.

"If you are a fan who's been around for a while, you just know not to interfere with a player," said Don Emond, 66, a longtime season-ticket holder who was at the game.

"I think these fans like that are sort of selfish or they don't really care about the consequences of what happened."

Bartman was described by neighbours as a youth baseball coach and such a big Cubs fan that he travelled to Arizona to see the team in spring training.

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'75 World Series - best ever. This year's playoffs have been heartbreaking to watch longtime losers Red Sox and Cubs blow 3 to 1 leads and their chance to erase epic losing streaks.

It is never a good sign going into late innings tied with the Yankees. Rivera is simply the best big game closer ever. And George's big money baseball club will simply find a way. Sadly, I was once a passionate baseball fan who followed the game religiously. Then came the labour strikes and it eroded away my interest in this great game. I remain a playoff fan but don't go out of my way to follow it closely anymore.

I fear the NHL will not learn from the labour issues of pro baseball.

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Yankees Rule!!!! Whoooo!

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Yankees Rule!!!! Whoooo!
I hate the Yankees (more precisely, I hate Steinbrenner), but there's no denying they sacked up when they were against the wall. Rivera was unbelievable.

Boston? Sucks to be you...

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I hate the Yankees (more precisely, I hate Steinbrenner), but there's no denying they sacked up when they were against the wall. Rivera was unbelievable.

Boston? Sucks to be you...
Life-long Yanks fan. You know you'd love to have a guy like George ownin the Oil. I just think they have been the best organization in sports, period. Recently it's gotten a tad nuts, but when it comes to building up a team, and making it into something huge, ALWAYS winning, getting more and more fans and making more and more money because of it. That organization has been built to near-perfection. I have so much respect for the attitude that team takes the field with. It's pretty simple, they're going to win, especially in the mid-90's, just amazing. And I'm not some "cheer for the winner" fan, I've always cheered for em, so has my dad. For a while, I think the Oil were just like em, but we all know that changed. The Yankees didn't trade Ruth.......

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Life-long Yanks fan. You know you'd love to have a guy like George ownin the Oil. I just think they have been the best organization in sports, period. Recently it's gotten a tad nuts, but when it comes to building up a team, and making it into something huge, ALWAYS winning, getting more and more fans and making more and more money because of it. That organization has been built to near-perfection. I have so much respect for the attitude that team takes the field with. It's pretty simple, they're going to win, especially in the mid-90's, just amazing. And I'm not some "cheer for the winner" fan, I've always cheered for em, so has my dad. For a while, I think the Oil were just like em, but we all know that changed. The Yankees didn't trade Ruth.......
OK Yankee boy, here's a question for you...

Was listening to this being debated on ESPN radio earlier today:

Joe Torre - Great manager, or lucky stiff who's smart enough to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the way? Discuss.

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OK Yankee boy, here's a question for you...

Was listening to this being debated on ESPN radio earlier today:

Joe Torre - Great manager, or lucky stiff who's smart enough to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the way? Discuss.
Hahaha, gotta love ESPN. (Jim Rome show, LISTEN TO IT!) Torre knows how to manage that team, he was the right fit at the right time IMO. That mid-90's team had such a swagger. Amazing to watch.

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(Jim Rome show, LISTEN TO IT!)
No worries there.

Torre just amazes me in that he's been able to last as manager of a Steinbrenner-owned team for so long. The man's made of teflon.

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No worries there.

Torre just amazes me in that he's been able to last as manager of a Steinbrenner-owned team for so long. The man's made of teflon.
Nice, a fellow clone! Found this show in the summer, have to listen to it now, just a great show.

Yup, Torre's just had whatever it is he's needed to stay, very impressive considering the history.

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OK Yankee boy, here's a question for you...

Was listening to this being debated on ESPN radio earlier today:

Joe Torre - Great manager, or lucky stiff who's smart enough to keep his mouth shut and stay out of the way? Discuss.
The Yankees current weakness is middle relief. Game 7 and who is doing middle relief - starters. They got the job done. Torre used what he had to best effect. Grady Little and Dusty Baker both went with their starters too long and guess what - they lost.
The thing that Joe does best is manage George. You have to give George credit. He bought the Yankees cheap ($10M I recall) and has turned them into a financial empire and baseball juggernaugt. Owners who object to the money George spends are jealous - they had the same opportunity to buy the Yankees, missed it and are now on the receiving end.

 
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