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12-30-2005, 01:19 PM
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What are some little known but very surprising facts?

Here's some of mine off the top of my head

Mark Messier - never once in his career took a penalty shot, wow!

Mario Lemieux and Gordie Howe - Neither one despite their wondrous goal scoring ability ever scored a playoff overtime goal. There were chances for each of them several times as they both played a ton of playoff games.

I'm sure there are some more I just cant think of it right now.


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12-30-2005, 02:17 PM
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Yzerman has played at least one playoff game since 1990-1991. Thats gotta be close to a record he could make it 15 years straight.

Actually Gretz played at least one playoff game in 15 straight seasons too(if you count his last wha year). Does anyone know if theres anyone who's appeared in the "real" season more times in a row?

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Yzerman has played at least one playoff game since 1990-1991. Thats gotta be close to a record he could make it 15 years straight.

Actually Gretz played at least one playoff game in 15 straight seasons too(if you count his last wha year). Does anyone know if theres anyone who's appeared in the "real" season more times in a row?
I believe that record belongs to Larry Robinson. 20 consecutive seasons in the playoffs, meaning every year of his pro-career.

Now that's gotta be one of the tougher records to break...

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12-30-2005, 03:27 PM
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Yzerman has played at least one playoff game since 1990-1991. Thats gotta be close to a record he could make it 15 years straight.

Actually Gretz played at least one playoff game in 15 straight seasons too(if you count his last wha year). Does anyone know if theres anyone who's appeared in the "real" season more times in a row?
Player Name -- POS -- SEASON -- Cons. PO app.
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Robinson Larry -- D -- 1972-92 -- 20

Hull Brett -- RW -- 1985-04 -- 19

Murphy Larry -- D -- 1983-01 -- 18

Bourque Ray -- D -- 1979-96 -- 17
Park Brad -- D -- 1968-85 -- 17

Beliveau Jean -- C -- 1953-69 -- 16
Cashman Wayne -- LW -- 1967-83 -- 16
Gainey Bob -- LW -- 1973-89 -- 16
Geoffrion Bernie -- RW -- 1952-68 -- 16
Hunter Dale -- C -- 1980-96 -- 16

Courtnall Geoff -- LW -- 1984-99 -- 15
Desjardins Eric -- D -- 1988-03 -- 15
Lemieux Claude -- RW -- 1985-00 -- 15
Ratelle Jean -- C -- 1966-81 -- 15
Talbot Jean Guy -- D -- 1955-70 -- 15

Brown Keith -- D -- 1979-93 -- 14
Chelios Chris -- D -- 1983-97 -- 14
Esposito Tony -- G -- 1969-83 -- 14
Francis Ron -- C -- 1985-99 -- 14
Gretzky Wayne -- C -- 1979-93 -- 14
Harvey Doug -- D -- 1948-62 -- 14
Langway Rod -- D -- 1978-92 -- 14
Leclair John -- LW -- 1990-04 -- 14
Moore Dickie -- RW -- 1954-68 -- 14
Murray Bob F. -- D -- 1976-90 -- 14
Potvin Denis -- D -- 1974-88 -- 14
Provost Claude -- RW -- 1955-69 -- 14
Roberts Jim W. -- RW -- 1963-77 -- 14
Yzerman Steve -- C -- 1990-04 -- 14

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Not sure if it's a first or not, but Jimmy Howard's first goal against in his NHL career was a penalty shot goal in his first game. He stopped a penalty shot in his second game.

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Some interesting facts that involve the Flyers:

Brian Propp has played more playoff games without winning a Cup than anyone in history.

Brian Propp is the all-time leading playoff scorer among LW's.

Ilka Sinisalo was the first player in NHL history to score his first goal on a penalty shot.

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12-30-2005, 08:03 PM
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It surprised me very much to find out that Mario Lemieux has played less than 1000 NHL games, 915 to be exact. While he did retire for a few years and was always hurt or sick, this is very suprising considering that he's been around in the NHL for over 20 years.

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- In the mid-70s, the Islanders, who were in a cash crunch, reached an agreement with the Rangers to give them Denis Potvin in exchange for the Rangers waiving the Islanders territorial fees, but the NHL vetoed the deal.

- The goalie who had the most wins in the 1980s was, of all people, Mike Liut.

- In both of Philadelphia`s Stanley Cup-winning years, their leading scorer in the playoffs was not Clarke, Barber or Leach, but Rick MacLeish.

- The top three picks in the 1978 Draft; Bobby Smith, Ryan Walter and Wayne Babych, finished in that exact same order in the rookie of the year voting the next year.

- Bill Durnan and Ray Bourque are the only two players to make the 1st All-Star Team in both their rookie season and their final season.

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NOT including this year, Jagr is the highest scoring right winger the last five years combined '99/'00 to '03/'04 (despite his widely discussed "long slump" before this season)

Jagr has never had a long slump... except by superman standards

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Mario Lemieux and Gordie Howe - Neither one despite their wondrous goal scoring ability ever scored a playoff overtime goal. There were chances for each of them several times as they both played a ton of playoff games.
OMG, those guys were SO not clutch. Marek Svatos > Lemieux and Howe.

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Jason Bacash.. (STL goalie) got his first NHL point sooner than his first NHL save.

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12-31-2005, 08:40 AM
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WOW, i had no idea there were that many. I guessed someone would be at like 17 or so but that many guys is really surprising. Where do you go to find stats like that?

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WOW, i had no idea there were that many. I guessed someone would be at like 17 or so but that many guys is really surprising. Where do you go to find stats like that?
pnep has done a fine job of compiling those stats on his own.

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The first person to coach two NHL franchises in the same season was Fred Glover. He coached the Kings less than two weeks after being fired by the Seals (October, 1971).

Another tidbit about a coach: Charlie Burns (for Minnesota against Toronto on March 1, 1970) was the last player/head coach in the NHL.


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12-31-2005, 02:09 PM
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The highest scoring brothers in NHL history?

Not surprisingly it's the Sutter brothers(Brent, Brian, Darryl, Duane, Rich, Ron) with a combined 2934 points. BUT, it's almost the Gretzky brothers (Wayne and Brent) with a combined 2861 points. Four of those points belong to Brent.

(I didn't check every possible brother combo, but I don't believe anyone else comes close. But feel free me to correct me if you know otherwise)

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The highest scoring brothers in NHL history?
BUT, it's almost the Gretzky brothers (Wayne and Brent) with a combined 2861 points. Four of those points belong to Brent.
Beat me to it!

But, the Gretzky brothers still remain the highest scoring brother duo ever, which is always a pretty good trivia question.

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Ilka Sinisalo was the first player in NHL history to score his first goal on a penalty shot.
Actually, he was the third:
http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=3681992&postcount=3

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Beat me to it!

But, the Gretzky brothers still remain the highest scoring brother duo ever, which is always a pretty good trivia question.
That's the way I'll ask it next time I'm at the pub.

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The Oakland Seals fired their GM a couple of weeks before the expansion draft in 1967. This has to rank as surprising.

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Eric Desjardins is the only defenceman to score a hat trick in the playoffs

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I didn't check every possible brother combo
I did it


Brothers Combo -- Goals
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Sutter (Ron,Rich,Duane,Darryl,Brian,Brent) -- 1320
Hull (Dennis,Bobby) -- 913
Richard (Maurice,Henri) -- 902
Gretzky (Wayne,Brent) -- 895
Stastny (Peter,Marian,Anton) -- 823
Mahovlich (Pete,Frank) -- 821
Howe (Vic,Gordie) -- 804
Dionne (Marcel,Gilbert) -- 792
Turgeon (Sylvain,Pierre) -- 764
Mullen (Joe,Brian) -- 762
Esposito (Tony,Phil) -- 717
Lemieux (Mario,Alain) -- 711
Messier (Paul,Mark) -- 694
Hunter (Mark,Dave,Dale) -- 669
Courtnall (Russ,Geoff) -- 664
Bure (Valeri,Pavel) -- 611


Brothers Combo -- Adj. G
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Sutter (Ron,Rich,Duane,Darryl,Brian,Brent) -- 1099
Richard (Maurice,Henri) -- 979
Hull (Dennis,Bobby) -- 907
Howe (Vic,Gordie) -- 878
Conacher (Roy,Lionel,Charlie) -- 800
Mahovlich (Pete,Frank) -- 792
Gretzky (Wayne,Brent) -- 764
Turgeon (Sylvain,Pierre) -- 735
Stastny (Peter,Marian,Anton) -- 664
Bure (Valeri,Pavel) -- 663
Esposito (Tony,Phil) -- 659
Dionne (Marcel,Gilbert) -- 659
Cook (Bun,Bud,Bill) -- 659
Mullen (Joe,Brian) -- 655

Brothers Combo -- AST
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Gretzky (Wayne,Brent) -- 1966
Sutter (Ron,Rich,Duane,Darryl,Brian,Brent) -- 1615
Stastny (Peter,Marian,Anton) -- 1346
Messier (Paul,Mark) -- 1193
Dionne (Marcel,Gilbert) -- 1119
Richard (Maurice,Henri) -- 1109
Lemieux (Mario,Alain) -- 1062
Hunter (Mark,Dave,Dale) -- 1058
Mahovlich (Pete,Frank) -- 1055
Howe (Vic,Gordie) -- 1053
Broten (Paul,Neal,Aaron) -- 1020
Turgeon (Sylvain,Pierre) -- 1004
Potvin (Jean,Denis) -- 966
Mullen (Joe,Brian) -- 923
Hull (Dennis,Bobby) -- 911
Trottier (Rocky,Bryan) -- 905

Brothers Combo -- Adj. A
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Gretzky (Wayne,Brent) -- 1744
Boucher (Robert,George,Frank,Billy) -- 1376
Sutter (Ron,Rich,Duane,Darryl,Brian,Brent) -- 1374
Richard (Maurice,Henri) -- 1266
Howe (Vic,Gordie) -- 1215
Messier (Paul,Mark) -- 1122
Stastny (Peter,Marian,Anton) -- 1094
Mahovlich (Pete,Frank) -- 1014
Conacher (Roy,Lionel,Charlie) -- 1008
Turgeon (Sylvain,Pierre) -- 981
Lemieux (Mario,Alain) -- 963
Dionne (Marcel,Gilbert) -- 957
Hull (Dennis,Bobby) -- 920
Hunter (Mark,Dave,Dale) -- 911

Brothers Combo -- PTS
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Sutter (Ron,Rich,Duane,Darryl,Brian,Brent) -- 2935
Gretzky (Wayne,Brent) -- 2861
Stastny (Peter,Marian,Anton) -- 2169
Richard (Maurice,Henri) -- 2011
Dionne (Marcel,Gilbert) -- 1911
Messier (Paul,Mark) -- 1887
Mahovlich (Pete,Frank) -- 1876
Howe (Vic,Gordie) -- 1857
Hull (Dennis,Bobby) -- 1824
Lemieux (Mario,Alain) -- 1773
Turgeon (Sylvain,Pierre) -- 1768
Hunter (Mark,Dave,Dale) -- 1727
Mullen (Joe,Brian) -- 1685
Esposito (Tony,Phil) -- 1614
Courtnall (Russ,Geoff) -- 1543
Broten (Paul,Neal,Aaron) -- 1541

Brothers Combo -- Adj. PTS
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Gretzky (Wayne,Brent) -- 2508
Sutter (Ron,Rich,Duane,Darryl,Brian,Brent) -- 2473
Richard (Maurice,Henri) -- 2245
Howe (Vic,Gordie) -- 2093
Boucher (Robert,George,Frank,Billy) -- 1956
Hull (Dennis,Bobby) -- 1827
Conacher (Roy,Lionel,Charlie) -- 1808
Mahovlich (Pete,Frank) -- 1807
Messier (Paul,Mark) -- 1762
Stastny (Peter,Marian,Anton) -- 1758
Turgeon (Sylvain,Pierre) -- 1716
Dionne (Marcel,Gilbert) -- 1616
Lemieux (Mario,Alain) -- 1602
Cook (Bun,Bud,Bill) -- 1534
Esposito (Tony,Phil) -- 1507

Brothers Combo -- PIM
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Sutter (Ron,Rich,Duane,Darryl,Brian,Brent) -- 7224
Hunter (Mark,Dave,Dale) -- 5909
Dineen (Peter,Kevin,Gord) -- 2939
Stevens (Scott,Mike) -- 2814
Hatcher (Kevin,Derian) -- 2780
Mcrae (Chris,Basil) -- 2579
Lemieux (Jocelyn,Claude) -- 2496
Odelein (Selmar,Lyle) -- 2301
Richard (Maurice,Henri) -- 2213
Plager (Bob,Bill,Barclay) -- 2211
Hextall (Dennis,Bryan Jr.) -- 2136
Paiement (Wilf,Rosaire) -- 2100
Primeau (Wayne,Keith) -- 2081
Courtnall (Russ,Geoff) -- 2022

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Eric Desjardins is the only defenceman to score a hat trick in the playoffs

Andy Delmore had one for the Flyers vs. the Pens in 2000.

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Eric Desjardins is the only defenceman to score a hat trick in the playoffs
Other Dmen have gotten them before.
That record only applies to the Stanley Cup Finals.

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Other Dmen have gotten them before.
That record only applies to the Stanley Cup Finals.
Ah ok! I knew I had forgotten some detail about that record

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Are the Primeau's the only brothers to fight each other in an NHL game?

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