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10-18-2003, 08:25 AM
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Yet another take on the healthy Habs lineup...

Yeah i know, this has been done lots of times the last few weeks, but after giving it some thought, this is what i would like to see.

Jan Bulis-Saku Koivu-Niklas Sundstrom

I like Bulis on Koivu's wing. He's got the size, speed and skill to compliment Saku. I know Bulis has good chemistry with Juneau and Dackell, but neither one of those guys is part of the big picture, and neither one of them really factors into my lineup.

Playing Sundstrom on this line would be a bit of an experiement, but i think it could work. He's a responsible 2-way player who can contribute offensively. He's got experience playing on top lines in the past (with Gretzky in NY). Sundstrom hasn't really fit in on any of the other lines, but i like him as a player and would give him a shot on this line before i entertain the idea of dealing him.

I could also see this line going up against the opponents top unit.

Marcel Hossa-Mike Ribeiro-Richard Zednik

The line has played well so far; i like the chemistry so why break it up? Hossa may not be producing at a great rate, but i like his play more this year than last. He seems to be using his size more to his advantage this season, working the boards and getting the puck loose for the talented Ribeiro and Zednik.

Michael Ryder-Yanic Perreault-Donald Audette

Again, why mess with a good thing? I considered moving Ryder up to Koivu's line in Sundstrom's spot, but i think Nik would be lost on this line. These 3 have pretty good chemistry together and give the Habs 3 lines that can score on any given night.

Darren Langdon-Chad Kilger-Jason Ward

The 4th line would vary depending on the opponents. Langdon would be in against tougher teams with heavyweights. I would keep both Steve Begin and Andreas Dackell as the teams extra forwards. Dackell can play when we play teams like the Pens that arn't overly tough. Dackell could also chip in on the PK when we play teams with strong PP's. Begin is the 14th forward and could be worked into the lineup when injuries occur or when someone needs to be benched.

Anyway, that's what i've been thinking. I doubt that the Habs will actually demote Joe Juneau, but that's what i would do right now. Juneau hasn't been bad this season, but he's getting up there in age and moving him would help make the Habs a quicker team. Also i don't think Juneau would accept being a 13th or 14th forward on this club, so keeping him in the press box is probably out of the question. Begin would accept this role, that's why he stays.

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Yeah i know, this has been done lots of times the last few weeks, but after giving it some thought, this is what i would like to see.

Jan Bulis-Saku Koivu-Niklas Sundstrom

I like Bulis on Koivu's wing. He's got the size, speed and skill to compliment Saku. I know Bulis has good chemistry with Juneau and Dackell, but neither one of those guys is part of the big picture, and neither one of them really factors into my lineup.

Playing Sundstrom on this line would be a bit of an experiement, but i think it could work. He's a responsible 2-way player who can contribute offensively. He's got experience playing on top lines in the past (with Gretzky in NY). Sundstrom hasn't really fit in on any of the other lines, but i like him as a player and would give him a shot on this line before i entertain the idea of dealing him.

I could also see this line going up against the opponents top unit.

Marcel Hossa-Mike Ribeiro-Richard Zednik

The line has played well so far; i like the chemistry so why break it up? Hossa may not be producing at a great rate, but i like his play more this year than last. He seems to be using his size more to his advantage this season, working the boards and getting the puck loose for the talented Ribeiro and Zednik.

Michael Ryder-Yanic Perreault-Donald Audette

Again, why mess with a good thing? I considered moving Ryder up to Koivu's line in Sundstrom's spot, but i think Nik would be lost on this line. These 3 have pretty good chemistry together and give the Habs 3 lines that can score on any given night.

Darren Langdon-Chad Kilger-Jason Ward

The 4th line would vary depending on the opponents. Langdon would be in against tougher teams with heavyweights. I would keep both Steve Begin and Andreas Dackell as the teams extra forwards. Dackell can play when we play teams like the Pens that arn't overly tough. Dackell could also chip in on the PK when we play teams with strong PP's. Begin is the 14th forward and could be worked into the lineup when injuries occur or when someone needs to be benched.

Anyway, that's what i've been thinking. I doubt that the Habs will actually demote Joe Juneau, but that's what i would do right now. Juneau hasn't been bad this season, but he's getting up there in age and moving him would help make the Habs a quicker team. Also i don't think Juneau would accept being a 13th or 14th forward on this club, so keeping him in the press box is probably out of the question. Begin would accept this role, that's why he stays.
I like your lines, they are similar to what I like. Leave the Riberio and Perreault lines alone and put Bulis with an offensive playing line like Koivu and Sundstrum. Sundstrum has great vision on the ice and can feed the puck to both of these guys and all are defensively responsible to play Julien's new system to a T (creating scoring chances from strong D). Your fourth line would be a great energy and bruising line, with the potential to score when needed too.

Juneau, Begin and Dackell are the odd men out and Higgins looks to be heading to Hamilton, which is a good thing for his development and for the ice time.

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10-18-2003, 08:48 AM
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Me like... I wouldn't mind seeing Higgins in though...

I'd alter the 1st and 4th lines though... just for a bit to see how it goes.

Higgins-Koivu-Bulis
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Sundstrom-Kilger-Ward

With Langdon, Begin and Dackell being sub-ed in when needed.

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10-18-2003, 08:51 AM
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Leave the lines as they are, until we lose.....
Just put Koivu and Kilger with Ward when they come back.

Kilger - Koivu - Ward
Hossa - Ribeiro - Zednik
Ryder - Perreault - Audette
Bulis - Juneau - Dackell

By the way, I think Ward will have a very good game tonight.

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By the way, I think Ward will have a very good game tonight.
Same goes for Ryder and Hossa will break out.

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I think some of you might be mistaking about Juneau's and Dackell's importance in CJ's mind. Why on earth would they have protected them, given an "A" to Juneau, put them on the 3rd line and played them every single time the opposing top line is on the ice if they wanted to bench them or get rid of them. And it can't be for showcasing them either. It's not like they're going to produce like crazy. They're defensive specialists and everybody knows what to expect from those 2. I personally think we could do without them, but it sure doesn't look like CJ's take on the situation. I think an offensive line will be broken up before they change that checking line.

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Hossa-Ribeiro-Zednik is a lock for the 2nd line IMO, Ryder-Perreault-Audette have to stay together, they work well. So, Bulis-Koivu + another player can make us 3 good lines.

 
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There's no doubt that the Juneau-Dackell combo is great. Putting Bulis, Sunny, Kilger on that line just helps it. I was refering to down the road when Juneau's gone - but that would depend as to where we stand as far as playoffs go

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Ribeiro-Koivu-Zednick
Audette-Perreault-Ryder
Bulis-Juneau-Dackell
Hossa-Kilger-Ward (Higgins before Kilger comes back)

Langdon,Sundstrom,Begin,Dwyer

Brisebois-Hainsey
Souray-Quintal
Rivet-Markov

Bouillon, Komo backups

Theo
Garon

That's my healthy lineup!!

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Leave the lines as they are, until we lose.....
Just put Koivu and Kilger with Ward when they come back.

Kilger - Koivu - Ward
Hossa - Ribeiro - Zednik
Ryder - Perreault - Audette
Bulis - Juneau - Dackell

By the way, I think Ward will have a very good game tonight.
I like this lineup!!

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Ribeiro-Koivu-Zednick
Audette-Perreault-Ryder
Bulis-Juneau-Dackell
Langdon-Higgins-Ward

Hossa,Sundstrom, Begin, Dwyer

Brisebois-Hainsey
Souray-Quintal
Rivet-Markov

Bouillon, Komo backups

Theo
Garon

That's my healthy lineup!!

Audette doesn't play the left... Ribeiro should not move back to left... and Higgins needs more ice-time than a 4th line player. I'd rather see him in the AHL.
The blueline is fine with me.

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I think some of you might be mistaking about Juneau's and Dackell's importance in CJ's mind. Why on earth would they have protected them, given an "A" to Juneau, put them on the 3rd line and played them every single time the opposing top line is on the ice if they wanted to bench them or get rid of them. And it can't be for showcasing them either. It's not like they're going to produce like crazy. They're defensive specialists and everybody knows what to expect from those 2. I personally think we could do without them, but it sure doesn't look like CJ's take on the situation. I think an offensive line will be broken up before they change that checking line.
Juneau has been given an "A" for A**h***

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I think some of you might be mistaking about Juneau's and Dackell's importance in CJ's mind. Why on earth would they have protected them, given an "A" to Juneau, put them on the 3rd line and played them every single time the opposing top line is on the ice if they wanted to bench them or get rid of them. And it can't be for showcasing them either. It's not like they're going to produce like crazy. They're defensive specialists and everybody knows what to expect from those 2. I personally think we could do without them, but it sure doesn't look like CJ's take on the situation. I think an offensive line will be broken up before they change that checking line.
Good point. Juneau and Dackell each played 20 minutes plus a few seconds last game. Bulis was third (for forwards) at almost 19 minutes. Most forwards played about 12 minutes, with Zed and Ribs logging 14 and 15 minutes. CJ obviously views them as integral parts of his lineup.

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Let's not forget that the Juneau line has shut down and outscored the Sundin, Jagr, and Lemieux lines.So long as it works keep it intact and give them all the ice time they need.

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Audette doesn't play the left... Ribeiro should not move back to left... and Higgins needs more ice-time than a 4th line player. I'd rather see him in the AHL.
The blueline is fine with me.
For Audette, I didn't take care of the LW or RW... He's RW and Ryder LW then.. Doesn't change alot...

And for Ribeiro.. Well someone will pay the price when Koivu will return.. The Perreault line is amazing and the Ribeiro line too.. The only player in the first 2 lines not producting is Hossa.. So why not move Ribs to the wing and put Koivu center.. That way Ribs will be playing with 2 great players in Zed and Koivu!!!

I would definitively do it.. I don't want to touche our 3rd line too.. They have been perfect on defense and even producting some goals!!

And for the 4th line... Higgins will probably be sent down went Koivu, Kilger and Langdon will be ready to comeback...

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I think some of you might be mistaking about Juneau's and Dackell's importance in CJ's mind. Why on earth would they have protected them, given an "A" to Juneau, put them on the 3rd line and played them every single time the opposing top line is on the ice if they wanted to bench them or get rid of them. And it can't be for showcasing them either. It's not like they're going to produce like crazy. They're defensive specialists and everybody knows what to expect from those 2. I personally think we could do without them, but it sure doesn't look like CJ's take on the situation. I think an offensive line will be broken up before they change that checking line.
I've been wondering that same thing for awhile. Either some people have fundamental difference in view with Julien, who places his trust on him, or really think there is someone within Habs system that could take Juneau's role.

Personally I dont think there is such a player in the system capable replacing him. Maybe hes not in future plans, but right now the team needs him. I have a feeling Joes replacement will come outside via trade or ufa signing next summer. Until then he will have to do.

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