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10-18-2003, 12:06 PM
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i think, for now, Ottawa has better offensive depth. by the end of the year though, many of you may be changing your minds. Colorado's bottom 6 of Battaglia, Svatos, Hinote, McCormick, Worrell, Nikolishin (and Hahl) is looking better and better every game.

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10-18-2003, 12:42 PM
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The we have David Aebischer, the man that's suddenly God's gift to netminding.
I doubt you find any saying what you are saying here. All people are saying is he has had a good start as #1. But you can't even admit that. Hell, you probably can't admit he has looked better than Turco in pre-season + start of the season.

You are the one making statements about Aebischer like you know exactly how good he ever will be. No one else is. And since he is an Av he is horrible goalkeeper and always will be. Yawn.

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10-18-2003, 12:47 PM
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I doubt you find any saying what you are saying here. All people are saying is he has had a good start as #1. But you can't even admit that. Hell, you probably can't admit he has looked better than Turco in pre-season + start of the season.

You are the one making statements about Aebischer like you know exactly how good he ever will be. No one else is. And since he is an Av he is horrible goalkeeper and always will be. Yawn.
Sorry but I don't judge a goaltender based on 3 games into his first season as a starter, I didn't with Turco and I won't with David. Anyhow, he's had an amazing start so far but has only had one test vs the Blues and he lost it. I won't form an official opinion on his play this season before we are at the All-Star break, at least.

So you are right.. *yawn*.. took the words right out of my mouth.

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10-18-2003, 12:53 PM
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More explosive? Colorado for sure. I don't think anyone is even close.

But I'd take the sens offensive depth come playoff time.

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Sorry but I don't judge a goaltender based on 3 games into his first season as a starter, I didn't with Turco and I won't with David. Anyhow, he's had an amazing start so far but has only had one test vs the Blues and he lost it. I won't form an official opinion on his play this season before we are at the All-Star break, at least.

So you are right.. *yawn*.. took the words right out of my mouth.
Well, you are the one claiming people think he is a god because he had a good start. That hasn't happened. Show us a single quote where anyone is describing Aebischer as a goaltending god. You can't. It was just you rambling.

And I have to smile at "I won't form an official opinion on his play this season before we are at the All-Star break, at least." when you in the post before boldly stated "Aebischer is the Avs weakest link and is among the worst, if not the worst netminder compared to the remaining contenders.". Guess you just couldn't wait for the all star break to form an official opinion on Aebischer, eh?

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10-18-2003, 01:03 PM
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And I have to smile at "I won't form an official opinion on his play this season before we are at the All-Star break, at least." when you in the post before boldly stated "Aebischer is the Avs weakest link and is among the worst, if not the worst netminder compared to the remaining contenders.". Guess you just couldn't wait for the all star break to form an official opinion on Aebischer, eh?
You're a tool.. Aebischer is an unproven netminder coming of a rather mediocre season as a backup, *that* is the impression and opinion I have of him before the season even started. He has the chance, and he probably will, to alter my opinion with a decent amount of games under his belt. So far he hasn't, so my opinion of him, the one that I formed before the season even started stands. It's an opinion of David in general, not on his play this season, as much as you want to read otherwise into this.

Really don't see the point of discussing this pointless subject anyway, it's a given fact Aebischier is unproven, it's a proven fact Aebischer enjoyed his worst season as a backup *last season*, and it's a proven fact that because of his inexperience, ranks below the goalies of the remaining contenders. Whether if he's doing well is irrelevant this early into the season. It's like saying "Stu Barnes ranks 5th in the league in goals, you all look stupid for not believing me he would have a breakout season"...

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10-18-2003, 01:04 PM
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Avs offense is so much ahead it's not even funny. Not only are their forwards the best offensively, but their dmen are also, the best offensively.

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10-18-2003, 01:22 PM
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You're a tool.. Aebischer is an unproven netminder coming of a rather mediocre season as a backup, *that* is the impression and opinion I have of him before the season even started. He has the chance, and he probably will, to alter my opinion with a decent amount of games under his belt. So far he hasn't, so my opinion of him, the one that I formed before the season even started stands. It's an opinion of David in general, not on his play this season, as much as you want to read otherwise into this.

Really don't see the point of discussing this pointless subject anyway, it's a given fact Aebischier is unproven, it's a proven fact Aebischer enjoyed his worst season as a backup *last season*, and it's a proven fact that because of his inexperience, ranks below the goalies of the remaining contenders. Whether if he's doing well is irrelevant this early into the season. It's like saying "Stu Barnes ranks 5th in the league in goals, you all look stupid for not believing me he would have a breakout season"...
If you go as far as describing his last season as mediocre, you have to concede that the two seasons before that were great. Well on par with any Turcos season as backup. Does that not affect your opinion? Of course not, since anything that might indicate that Aebischer is anything but a horrible goalie doesn't count. While last season is all important and how he has played in this his first two seasons, this preseason and season is totally irrelevant. You are just cherry picking here and looking for anything to have a go at an Av. It's weak and tedious stuff.

And I once again have to ask you to submit us to a quote of anyone claiming that Aebischer is "God's gift to netminding" (or anything to that effect). Have you found one yet or do you want to save yourself some time and admit no one even said anything close to it. It was you making stuff up for cheap points on an internet forum.

So why don't you take your own advice and actually wait until all star break and see how Aebischer is as a #1 goalie.

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10-18-2003, 01:32 PM
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If you go as far as describing his last season as mediocre, you have to concede that the two seasons before that were great. Well on par with any Turcos season as backup. Does that not affect your opinion?
Again.. doofus statement. When a netminder enters his first season as a starter, it's important that he ejoyed a great season as a back up the year before. Gives him and management the confidence to succeed over the course of an entire season. Marty Turco, for whatever reason he's involved into this topic, praticly took over from a long steady vezina candidate, frankly one that enjoyed an off year, it doesn't erases the fact Turco recorded the top save % in the league yet again and had the highest winning % for a 2nd straight season.

Like I said, pointless discussion where you keep trying to defend the Swiss Miss with so called facts that were already discussed in your disadvantage..

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10-18-2003, 01:54 PM
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Again.. doofus statement. When a netminder enters his first season as a starter, it's important that he ejoyed a great season as a back up the year before. Gives him and management the confidence to succeed over the course of an entire season. Marty Turco, for whatever reason he's involved into this topic, praticly took over from a long steady vezina candidate, frankly one that enjoyed an off year, it doesn't erases the fact Turco recorded the top save % in the league yet again and had the highest winning % for a 2nd straight season.

Like I said, pointless discussion where you keep trying to defend the Swiss Miss with so called facts that were already discussed in your disadvantage..
You can't even admit you are so extremely selective in what is "important" that only what reflects negative on Aebischer is what matters. And what he has done that suggest that he might actually turn into a pretty good goalkeeper is totally irrelevant to you. And "swiss miss", give me a break. That stuff is desperate.

Your views when it comes to the Avs and the Stars are so tainted by bias that they are completely irrelevant. You have provided perfect illustration in this thread.

And how is the work on the quote going. Aren't you going to back up your bold statements?

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10-18-2003, 03:15 PM
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Colorado has the "more explosive offense", but I would rather have Ottawa's forwards for their overall play than Colorado. Colorado is small, soft, and not the best group of defensive forwards, whereas Ottawa's can ALL play reasonable D, and besides White and Alfie, are all reasonably sized, and use their size.

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10-18-2003, 04:19 PM
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I don't think it's even a question it's Colorado. Ottawa is nice to be sure, but who does Ottawa have to counter Forsberg? or Sakic? Hejduk, Selanne, and Kariya are really the 3rd, 4th, and 5th best forwards and if you counter Alfredsson and Hossa as the top 2 on Ottawa, then all they have to beat is the likes of Bonk, Spezza, and Havlat. Ottawa has decent depth, but so does Colorado. It's not like Todd White and Brian Smolinksi make up the difference.

And for defense, I like the offense Rob Blake and Derek morris possess. Ottawa's a little thinner on offense from the blue line.


So in the end, it's all Colorado for offense.

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