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05-18-2016, 09:24 AM
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Would you be open minded to naturalization?

Let's imagine this situation :

Russia fails at the next best on best tournament due to poor defensive lineup.

Hotheads call for drastic measures, do anything so we can start winning.

Someone offers to naturalize a couple high level Canadian defensemen who are not making Canada A team.

What would your reaction be ?

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To do that, he has to leave the NHL and play in KHL for 4 years. If a player does that he probably has some extra motivation and my reaction would be mostly depending on that motivation.

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Naturalization does not address deeply seated developmental problems (such as developing young defensemen).

I am optimistic that things are getting better for the Russian system and I think there are very good young players in the pipeline. Including defensemen.

Do not forget that Russia has had very solid results at the Under-20 level in the past several years. It does not help that Znarok does not include young talents on his senior roster.

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Naturalization does not address deeply seated developmental problems (such as developing young defensemen).

I am optimistic that things are getting better for the Russian system and I think there are very good young players in the pipeline. Including defensemen.

Do not forget that Russia has had very solid results at the Under-20 level in the past several years. It does not help that Znarok does not include young talents on his senior roster.
It does not seem that bad this year, most are in mid 20s and oldest is Yemelin at 30. I you mean early 20s players like Paigin, Tryamkin, maybe they aren't sold yet. Nestorov and Provorov are still in playoffs also.

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It does not seem that bad this year, most are in mid 20s and oldest is Yemelin at 30. I you mean early 20s players like Paigin, Tryamkin, maybe they aren't sold yet. Nestorov and Provorov are still in playoffs also.
True , but all of them are far from being Gonchar or Markov , and I don't even mention Fetisov level

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True , but all of them are far from being Gonchar or Markov , and I don't even mention Fetisov level
I think Provorov and Sergachev are both the real deal. If Russia continues to develop defensive prospects at this level they will be fine down the road.

Hopefully Artemi Knyazev is as good as advertised as well.

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I think Provorov and Sergachev are both the real deal. If Russia continues to develop defensive prospects at this level they will be fine down the road.

Hopefully Artemi Knyazev is as good as advertised as well.
Sergachyov was only recently " average " at best at the u18 championship even though his team wasn't that strong. Still a long way from NT imo, though the talent is there.

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Sergachyov was only recently " average " at best at the u18 championship even though his team wasn't that strong. Still a long way from NT imo, though the talent is there.
Sergachev was not very well integrated into the team and was forced to play a safe style. Furthermore, it is a lot to ask from a CHLer to come in, quickly adapt to a different style and lead an underager team.

His OHL best defenseman award and overall performance and skill level convinces me that he is a blue chip prospect.

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if u've been in russia more than 7-8 year and can fluently speak russian. like Guilherme. than why not.

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In my honest opinion , we should send as many d men to North America while they are young as we can . Keep the forwards home .

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No, no, no.

For a country like Russia to start accepting foreign players is a nonsense. You may expect it with so called smaller teams but a country with a proud tradition in the sport should not have to resort to this.

One must tackle the underlying issues and solve them not take a short term view. It would be like asking Argentina in football, New Zealand in rugby union to import overseas players.

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if u've been in russia more than 7-8 year and can fluently speak russian. like Guilherme. than why not.
Basically I agree - if that player knows Russian language and is willing to play at least 4 years in KHL then why not?

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No way. There is Provorov, Zadorov, Sergachev and some others who will be very good in terms of few years. So everything will be ok with Team Russia defensive lines.

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My disagreement with naturalization as a strategy to fill holes is that it takes the pressure off of those who should feel the pressure - highly paid bureaucrats like Tretyak - to go about the business of building quality at home. Naturalization makes your fortunes rise and fall with the market.

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No way. There is Provorov, Zadorov, Sergachev and some others who will be very good in terms of few years. So everything will be ok with Team Russia defensive lines.
I am very curious to see what we have in three years. On top of these three interesting blueliners, Russia has several more potentially good ones. I hope they don't flame out like Vishnevsky did.

Then again, Vishnevsky was always overrated.

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