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official ''trade Ribeiro propositions '' thread

i know that there are yet plenty thread about Ribeirpo . I just think it would be great to have a sticky one where to put all our proposals

We are talking a lot about trading Ribeiro , because he's not producing and his lack of speed . few peoples proposed to get this or that player .

I went to the NHL site and look for the 60 first centers stats , to have a better overall look to ''who would be the best candidats for the second center of our Habs''.

I didn't take th etime to add the salary of each player , but theis something we have to considere before proopsing a player .

1 C MARC SAVARD ATL 42 18 37 55
2 C JOE THORNTON SJS 36 14 40 54
3 C PETER FORSBERG PHI 33 13 40
4 C ERIC STAAL CAR 39 26 26 52
5 C PAVOL DEMITRA LAK 42 20 30 50
6 C JASON SPEZZA OTT 31 13 35 48
7 C SIDNEY CROSBY PIT 39 21 24 45
8 C OLLI JOKINEN FLA 43 18 26 44
9 C JOE SAKIC COL 41 17 27 44
10 C PAVEL DATSYUK DET 39 15 29 44
11 C CRAIG CONROY LAK 41 15 28 43
12 C PATRICK MARLEAU SJS 37 15 27
13 C BRIAN ROLSTON MIN 40 18 23 41
14 C BRAD RICHARDS TBL 41 12 29 41
15 C SHAWN HORCOFF EDM 39 10 31
16 C MIKE MODANO DAL 39 16 24 40

17 c JARRET STOLL EDM 41 14 26 40
18 C ALEXEI YASHIN NYI 39 15 23 38 38
19 C VINCENT LECAVALIER TBL 40 16 21 37
20 C SCOTT GOMEZ NJD 40 14 21 35
21 C JASON ARNOTT DAL 39 12 23 35
22 C PIERRE TURGEON COL 37 10 25 35
23 C DOUG WEIGHT STL 36 9 26 35
24 C ROD BRIND'AMOUR CAR 35 16 18 34
25 C JASON WILLIAMS DET 39 10 24 34
26 C MICHAEL NYLANDER NYR 39 9 25 34
27 C HENRIK SEDIN VAN 40 9 25 34
28 C JASON ALLISON TOR 36 6 28 34
29 C TIM CONNOLLY BUF 40 8 24 32
30 C JASON BLAKE NYI 37 17 14 31


31 C BRENDAN MORRISON VAN 40 8 23 31
32 C CHRIS DRURY BUF 40 14 16 30
33 C MIKE COMRIE PHX 39 14 16 30
34 C TYLER ARNASON CHI 39 10 20 30
35 C MICHAL HANDZUS PHI 39 7 23 30
36 C MICHAEL CAMMALLERI LAK 40 15 14 29
37 C ROBERT LANG DET 31 9 20 29
38 C SAKU KOIVU MTL 28 8 21 29
39 C DAYMOND LANGKOW CGY 40 13 15 28
40 C ANDY MCDONALD ANA 39 12 15 27
41 C PATRICE BERGERON BOS 38 11 16 27
42 C YANIC PERREAULT NSH 39 13 13 26
43 C MATS SUNDIN TOR 28 9 17 26
44 C MIKE RIBEIRO MTL 37 7 19 26
45 C ROB NIEDERMAYER ANA 39 10 15 25
46 C MATT CULLEN CAR 39 14 10 24
47 C ERIC BELANGER LAK 38 11 13 24 32
48 C BRYAN SMOLINSKI OTT 37 8 16 24
49 C DANIEL BRIERE BUF 24 14 9 23
50 C BRAD BOYES BOS 39 9 14 23
51 C STEVEN REINPRECHT CGY 40 8 15 23
52 C PETR CAJANEK STL 32 3 20 23 20
53 C ERIC LINDROS TOR 30 11 11 22
54 C DEREK ARMSTRONG LAK 32 10 12 22
55 C ALEX STEEN TOR 33 10 12 22
56 C MARIO LEMIEUX PIT 26 7 15 22
57 C KYLE WELLWOOD TOR 39 6 16 22
58 C JEFF HALPERN WSH 36 3 19 22
59 C MIKE FISHER OTT 34 12 9 21
60 C STU BARNES DAL 36 10 11 21


Tyler Arnason , Scott Gomez and Pierre Turgeon are the ones that appear to be the most realistic choices .

But as i proposed last week , i see more that our perfect 2 nd center could be Saku Koivu , if we can get another first center that is less injury prone . If we look the rank of Koivu in this list , he 's in the first tier of the 30 to 60 list .

I know that he didn't play as much games as the other players of the list , but it is always like that with Koivu,and that 's why i would prefer him to have a less important role.

Your propositions are ...

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ribeiro for a bag of pucks

you're dreaming in technicolor if you think teams will give up a number 2 centre for ribs.

a more realistic package would be:

ribs+prospect+pick+bag of pucks
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proven player in same situation+pick

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ribeiro for a bag of pucks

you're dreaming in technicolor if you think teams will give up a number 2 centre for ribs.

a more realistic package would be:

ribs+prospect+pick+bag of pucks
for
proven player in same situation+pick

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Well if this formula is used then:

Ribiero+Chipchura+2nd+Dagenais

for

Marleau+3rd

Wishful thinking, I know

 
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Ribeiro + theo
Morrison + Jovanovski (+ draft pick maybe)

ribeiro can make 80+ pts with Naslund and Bertuzzi and Morrison is a very fast skater and can make good passes. He could complete a line with Ryder and Dagenais (or Perez) and leave Koivu with Kovalev and Zednik. Also Jovanovski is very good in PP and he's not so bad Shorthanded, he is big and is a good skater as well...The problem would be our goalie but I think that Huet could complete this season and we can look in the free agency market this summer for a good goalie until Danis or Price become #1 goalies...

what do you think?!?

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Ribeiro + theo
Morrison + Jovanovski (+ draft pick maybe)

ribeiro can make 80+ pts with Naslund and Bertuzzi and Morrison is a very fast skater and can make good passes. He could complete a line with Ryder and Dagenais (or Perez) and leave Koivu with Kovalev and Zednik. Also Jovanovski is very good in PP and he's not so bad Shorthanded, he is big and is a good skater as well...The problem would be our goalie but I think that Huet could complete this season and we can look in the free agency market this summer for a good goalie until Danis or Price become #1 goalies...

what do you think?!?

I doubt Gainey would trade Theo without getting a good goalie in return. I suspect a UFA goalie this summer would cost us a ridiculous amount of cap space too, so I say no.

 
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I doubt Gainey would trade Theo without getting a good goalie in return. I suspect a UFA goalie this summer would cost us a ridiculous amount of cap space too, so I say no.
Yeah I agree with that...I know Danis could be a good backup goalie but I'm not sure Huet is good enough to be 1st...so yeah I think we would need another goalie in return...Even though Theo is not doing really good these past games, I still think we gotta keep him!!

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TO CHICAGO: C Mike Ribeiro, LW Pierre Dagenais

TO MONTREAL: Sock

I think this is fair.

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apparently everyone Is available If Bob get a good return...even Théo


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No body is untradeable if something good comes in return, that means Bob Gainey will have to offer more than Mike Ribeiro/a pick/bag of pucks to complete a trade.

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Tyler Arnason , Scott Gomez and Pierre Turgeon are the ones that appear to be the most realistic choices .

But as i proposed last week , i see more that our perfect 2 nd center could be Saku Koivu , if we can get another first center that is less injury prone . If we look the rank of Koivu in this list , he 's in the first tier of the 30 to 60 list .

I know that he didn't play as much games as the other players of the list , but it is always like that with Koivu,and that 's why i would prefer him to have a less important role.

Your propositions are ...
Saku is only in the 1st tier/2nd line Center position because of his Absence from the Play... even SUNDIN is there... and Sundin is not a 2nd line center... never was... (unless Colorado/Nordiques) had kept him, + forsberg + sakic... then he woulda been 3rd...but then i digress

Saku's a #1 Center... is PPG ratio puts him up there with the top 15, lets not forget he hasn't played in a while.

Now i agree we should trade Ribs... he's been un-illusive this year (his main trait) can't seem to get away from the check, no matter how hard he tries.. maybe its the system, maybe its the other teams adjusting, maybe its his linemates or maybe its him, who knows. What we know is its not working. Goodbye...



1 thing that makes me hesitate is seing Marc Savard at the TOP of that list ahead of Forsberg... Marc Savard @ 25 = Ribs and now... look at their TSN Profiles... same pro's same con's... do we really want to do this? I mean, 2 years from now we'll be yelling at management for the trade they made. I don't want to hear about another Recchi/LeClair/Turgeon/Damphousse etc loss like we did back in the mid 90's...

Pray Gainey makes the RIGHT decision

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Those Easton "Stealth" sticks are kind of pricey, but they're really nice. Maybe we could get some of those in exchange for Ribs. And if we throw in Dagenais, we can probably get free shipping on the sticks.

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TO CHICAGO: C Mike Ribeiro, LW Pierre Dagenais

TO MONTREAL: Sock

I think this is fair.
I'd rather have a jersey, I like the home Hawks jersey.

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Yeah I agree with that...I know Danis could be a good backup goalie but I'm not sure Huet is good enough to be 1st...so yeah I think we would need another goalie in return...Even though Theo is not doing really good these past games, I still think we gotta keep him!!
with the performances Huet gave last few games he played, I suggest Danis would become #1 and Huet keeps the job for what we was born... backup goalie...

On the other hand, Maybe we should give a try to Chipchura before trading him... I don't know much about him but from what I've heard, he could become a decent 2nd center... exactly what we need...

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I'd rather have a jersey, I like the home Hawks jersey.
do you think that if we add one of our practice jerseys we could get one of their black jerseys wouldn't BG look neat in one of those watching the game from the pressbox...

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Chipchura ... could become a decent 2nd center... exactly what we need...
Naa! most likely Bonks spot, 3rd line center.

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ribeiro for a bag of pucks

you're dreaming in technicolor if you think teams will give up a number 2 centre for ribs.

a more realistic package would be:

ribs+prospect+pick+bag of pucks
for
proven player in same situation+pick

mike
never said that it would be a one for one trade ...Be constructive ! you want him to leave yes or no ?

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How about Ribeiro for a second round pick?

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Ribeiro + theo
Morrison + Jovanovski (+ draft pick maybe)

ribeiro can make 80+ pts with Naslund and Bertuzzi and Morrison is a very fast skater and can make good passes. He could complete a line with Ryder and Dagenais (or Perez) and leave Koivu with Kovalev and Zednik. Also Jovanovski is very good in PP and he's not so bad Shorthanded, he is big and is a good skater as well...The problem would be our goalie but I think that Huet could complete this season and we can look in the free agency market this summer for a good goalie until Danis or Price become #1 goalies...

what do you think?!?
Morisson isn't big ; he's listed at 5' 11'' and 185 lbs

he has only few more points than Ribeiro , but is playing with Betuzzi and Naslund.I don't see him doing better than Ribeiro with Dagenais and Ryder .

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40 C ANDY MCDONALD ANA 39 12 15 27
41 C PATRICE BERGERON BOS 38 11 16 27
42 C YANIC PERREAULT NSH 39 13 13 26
43 C MATS SUNDIN TOR 28 9 17 26
44 C MIKE RIBEIRO MTL 37 7 19 26
45 C ROB NIEDERMAYER ANA 39 10 15

Your propositions are ...
I don't know whether to cry or wind my watch...

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Morisson isn't big ; he's listed at 5' 11'' and 185 lbs

he has only few more points than Ribeiro , but is playing with Betuzzi and Naslund.I don't see him doing better than Ribeiro with Dagenais and Ryder .
Considering his last month, wouldn't you think the best solution would be to let him earn icetime ? Why trade at his low point ? It would be easier with a healthy Plekanec, but he has to show how important this is to him. There are people in the organization who I think can explain this to him. The only real option is salary dump situations after the Olympics, without trading young players, which I'd hate to see. And as for going with Danis/Huet, c'mon, that's giving up, so why bother, the CH would be the ones holding the firesale.

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Saku is only in the 1st tier/2nd line Center position because of his Absence from the Play... even SUNDIN is there... and Sundin is not a 2nd line center... never was... (unless Colorado/Nordiques) had kept him, + forsberg + sakic... then he woulda been 3rd...but then i digress

Saku's a #1 Center... is PPG ratio puts him up there with the top 15, lets not forget he hasn't played in a while.

Now i agree we should trade Ribs... he's been un-illusive this year (his main trait) can't seem to get away from the check, no matter how hard he tries.. maybe its the system, maybe its the other teams adjusting, maybe its his linemates or maybe its him, who knows. What we know is its not working. Goodbye...



1 thing that makes me hesitate is seing Marc Savard at the TOP of that list ahead of Forsberg... Marc Savard @ 25 = Ribs and now... look at their TSN Profiles... same pro's same con's... do we really want to do this? I mean, 2 years from now we'll be yelling at management for the trade they made. I don't want to hear about another Recchi/LeClair/Turgeon/Damphousse etc loss like we did back in the mid 90's...

Pray Gainey makes the RIGHT decision
Is Koivu ranquing in the first tier or the first 30-60 tier ? i don't know when the Habs fans are going to realise that the PPG don't means nothing for the team . If a player would have 2 PPG every seasons , but would only played 10 games per seasons , at the end , it still less points than the player playing 80 games with a PPG of 0.05 . That's the same old story with Koivu each year.KOIVU ISN'T IN THE TOP 15 .

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From what I saw of the team without him (despite the loss and everything) our 2nd 3rd and 4th lines are much better off WITHOUT him.
so if we can get anything at all, it's even better, but I wouldn't be sad if we were to lose him on waivers

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Never open a thread like this.
No matter what player you have to offer 99% of the posters will offer a bag of pucks.
They all think they can pull off a steal.

IE. WHAT? you want my player for your S. Crosby? Crosby is way too young, never won anything in the NHL, a smallish player who lives with his boss and will take years before he reaches his top potential.
Never even won a fight in the NHL and so on and so on.

They think that a good GM can pull off a steal when the truth is a good GM trades away what he cant use for players he can use.
To get the deal done Both GM's must get something or it will never happen. If you can never get a deal done then it's you that is a bad GM because you always want too much for too little.

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Considering his last month, wouldn't you think the best solution would be to let him earn icetime ? Why trade at his low point ? It would be easier with a healthy Plekanec, but he has to show how important this is to him. There are people in the organization who I think can explain this to him. The only real option is salary dump situations after the Olympics, without trading young players, which I'd hate to see. And as for going with Danis/Huet, c'mon, that's giving up, so why bother, the CH would be the ones holding the firesale.
I did the thread because of the consensus that seems to think that Ribeiro has to be trade . I am not convince myself about that ; for me he's a good second liner that is just enough good to replaces Koivu , when this last is having an injury. I said since a long time that for me the mean problem isn't Ribeiro but the fact that our key leader is always getting injuries.Or you deal him , or you put him in a lesser important role ( second centerand cut his salary )

Iam really tire about all the bad threads or posts about Ribeiro , i read here everydays , so finally , yes , why not trade him ?

The real question now is ;

So , it's a thing to say bye bye to him , but who is going to takes his place , do better than him , in the same kind of salary range ?

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