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01-08-2006, 02:28 AM
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Chara and Redden < Turco money?

I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere but Marty Turco, who is the Stars MVP without a doubt got a 4 year, 22 million dollar contract...an average of 5.5M a year.

I think it is clear that Turco is more valuable to the Stars than Chara or Redden is to the Sens. We all know Alfie is our MVP, then perhaps after that you can argue Chara or Redden although there are others like Hasek who might be more important.

If, for example, both get Turco money, that is a 3.6M raise in our payroll....and if Redden takes an average of 5M and Chara 5.5M like Turco, it is only a raise of 3.1M in the payroll. We could fit that in right now and still have good room, plus the cap is supposed to go up next year.

IMO, the X factor is Spezza's deal and how much he will command or else I don't see why many think it's definite that one of Redden or Chara will leave.

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I'm not nearly as worried about Redden and Chara's contracts anymore as I am about Spezza's. Look at Lecavalier, Kovalchuk, Nash, etc. Spezza could command that sort of money, easily. My worry isn't that we'll get Spezza signed, because I know we will, but at what cost? Havlat is everyones guess, but if Spez gets $5+ million, more than 1 guy will have to go.

The good news is that, thanks to the new rookie restrictions, we'll have Meszaros for under $1 million for his first four seasons. He's already playing like a $2-3 million dollar man.

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I would rater lose Spezza than Redden,Havlat or Chara.

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I would rater lose Spezza than Redden,Havlat or Chara.

Yikes. Given his age and the fact that he's just getting started, id take Spezza.

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I would rater lose Spezza than Redden,Havlat or Chara.
Havlat, Spezza/Redden, Chara.

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If nothing else, Alfie's injury shows exactly why he's the #1 man on the Sens - and why no one else should make more than him.

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If nothing else, Alfie's injury shows exactly why he's the #1 man on the Sens - and why no one else should make more than him.
Agreed.

I'm also really hoping Havlat signs a 1 year deal at pretty much the same amount he's making this year.

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I think this series of losses also shows that Havlat and Alfy are the only guys on the team that can score on their own line.

Heatley needs a Spezza or Savard.

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the problem is that redden and chara are both ufas meaning any team can negotiate with them, and definitely some teams will be willing to give them 6+ million dollars. So you can't really use Turco.

Spezza on the other hand, will probably make 4.5 million.

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If nothing else, Alfie's injury shows exactly why he's the #1 man on the Sens - and why no one else should make more than him.
I don't think that will work. Alfredsson is a class act and took modest money to stablize this team. 50 years from now, he'll probably still be in the Top 5 of this team fans "Greatest Senators". He's just that classy.

The Alfie cap is non-existent. I don't think it will work since Alfredsson took a paycut. If he was making as much as Sundin, which would be the going rate, then the Alfie cap would hold true.

You can't expect the other players on the team to work at a reduced rate as well.

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the problem is that redden and chara are both ufas meaning any team can negotiate with them, and definitely some teams will be willing to give them 6+ million dollars. So you can't really use Turco.

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Turco would've been a UFA at the end of the season as well.

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I would rater lose Spezza than Redden,Havlat or Chara.
I totally agree, look how well Spezza, Heatley and even Alfredsson do when they are the only super star on the line then look at how Havlat performed. Plus Havlat is far superior defensively then Spezza.

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I totally agree, look how well Spezza, Heatley and even Alfredsson do when they are the only super star on the line then look at how Havlat performed. Plus Havlat is far superior defensively then Spezza.
I think comparing wingers with centres is always a little unfair with respect to the centre.

Like it or not, centres are usually more important than wingers. However, the position is much more difficult to play.

Premier young centres typically take longer to develop: Lecavalier, Thornton, Marleau, etc.

The role they have is less fixed, forcing them to adapt their game according to the circumstances. There are creative wingers, but playing defence as a winger is generally easier, as they have boundaries they usually hold to. Havlat also has a couple more seasons as a top player under his belt.

I like them both, but Spezza's skill set at the moment is unique on the Senators, whereas Havlat's isn't. I'd rather develop Spezza further than cut him loose because he's not already playing like a Hall of Famer.

Even Yzerman wasn't born a two-way centre.

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chara and redden will both make approx 4.5/yr in the market.... imho

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no way do redden and chara make less than 5.5 M in their next contract. there are teams out there (like the leafs and avalanche) that would be willing to give either one 6-7 M per year. i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if chara lands the max contract next season.

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no way do redden and chara make less than 5.5 M in their next contract. there are teams out there (like the leafs and avalanche) that would be willing to give either one 6-7 M per year. i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if chara lands the max contract next season.
I'm inclined to agree, although the Leafs will have their hands tied resigning Kaberle and McCabe, particularly if the latter earns any individual awards. They won't come cheap either.

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If they are not signed by the end of the year - some team will throw silly money at them. Foote finds out now how that works. Hope both want to stay here and win a lot.

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As long as Melnyk spends to the cap max, it's all good. He said he wouldn't, but that better be bs.

And I agree that nobody should be making more than Alfie. It's also pretty much a guarantee that Redden and Chara will have insane money thrown at them. It's possible we lose both... Chara will be easier to keep.... Redden probably won't be willing to play for less.

If we lose Redden, look for Novak to step up next year.

For some reason, even thought he is getting injury prone, I want Havlat on the team. The Sens might need to take a risk and sign him cheaply for a multi-year deal...

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For some reason, even thought he is getting injury prone, I want Havlat on the team. The Sens might need to take a risk and sign him cheaply for a multi-year deal...
I do as well, but I don't think we'll be able to lock him up cheap for more than a year. I already miss watching him on the PK, hopefully he can come back in the playoffs and do that, although I think he'll have lots of rust.

I have a feeling Redden will not be back next year, even though I would choose him over Chara (Maybe one of the few who would do that). He's having a massive season this year and I could see him testing the free agent market and getting tons of money thrown at him. The way Volchenkov and Meszaros played together during Redden's absence gives me hope that they could do OK without him, maybe because Meszaros is so similar to Redden.

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Look for the Kings to make a hard pitch to bring in Chara. He's good buddies with Lubo and Demitra. Plus we'll have plenty of money to sign him with.

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Look for the Kings to make a hard pitch to bring in Chara. He's good buddies with Lubo and Demitra. Plus we'll have plenty of money to sign him with.


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no way do redden and chara make less than 5.5 M in their next contract. there are teams out there (like the leafs and avalanche) that would be willing to give either one 6-7 M per year. i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if chara lands the max contract next season.

I used to think the same, but Turco is arguably a Top 5, maybe even Top 3 goaltender in this league and got 5.5M. Also remember that goaltender is the most important position. Chara and Redden are probably both in the Top 5-7 d-men in this league so I'd think Turco money is a very fair comparison.

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I used to think the same, but Turco is arguably a Top 5, maybe even Top 3 goaltender in this league and got 5.5M. Also remember that goaltender is the most important position. Chara and Redden are probably both in the Top 5-7 d-men in this league so I'd think Turco money is a very fair comparison.
Fair, certainly. Yet if one or both hit the open market, someone's handing out a max contract to Chara, and $6M or more for Redden. Someone will be prepared to be more than fair.

Ottawa really needs to sign them during the season or make the decision to let one go before the UFA season kicks in, because the dollars are going to be insane for these guys on the open market. Just hope they will be prepared to take less to stay.

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I would rater lose Spezza than Redden,Havlat or Chara.
Chara/Redden- Yes. Havlat-absolutely not. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could say they'd rather Havlat than Spezza. Havlat gets way way too much hype in this board.

Spezza was at the top of league scoring until he got hurt, remember? Havlat has been living off "potential" ever since he came to this team and has yet to live up to all the hype. He is a great player, but Spezza is one of those players that teams build around.

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01-09-2006, 09:15 PM
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Havlat put up great numbers last year there was hockey. He is also the most exciting player on the team, now that Hossa's gone.

He has been on the trade hit list and the dog house too many times to mention. If anyones been given a free ride around here by the media and fans, its been Spezza.

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