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04-01-2017, 02:42 PM
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That is...actually not horrible, as long as RNH can step up I wouldn't be opposed.
RNH is having an off year but he's also playing with regressing team mates and taking the hard matchups. RNH has improved from his Sophomore slump, and had a very strong 2014-2015 where he scored 22 5 on 5 goals (Or ES in total, I'm not 100% sure). He took defensive matchups last season and did well. He was very good and prevented the Flames from getting any good chance this season, otherwise I haven't watched too much. Nurse is another great piece that for the next few years won't be as good as Ekholm, but his ceiling is higher and we are much better at developing D than Edmonton is. This also allows us to protect more players, which is the ultimate win. Ekholm, Aberg, and Kamenev for RNH and Nurse I'm down.

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Don't see Oilers going for that. Kamenev probably holds little value for them and they're probably as high on Nurse as they are on Ekholm. Ekholm would have to be protected while Nurse doesn't.

For our side, I still don't get the obsession with RNH. Not an upgrade on Fish and, at their current paces, not much of one even over Jarnkrok. Still living off that #1 pick pedigree I guess.

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Don't see Oilers going for that. Kamenev probably holds little value for them and they're probably as high on Nurse as they are on Ekholm. Ekholm would have to be protected while Nurse doesn't.

For our side, I still don't get the obsession with RNH. Not an upgrade on Fish and, at their current paces, not much of one even over Jarnkrok. Still living off that #1 pick pedigree I guess.
Well this is his first off season while being the Oilers shutdown center since his Sophomore year. He's an upgrade on Fisher in my personal opinion and even if he isn't, he's much younger and hasn't hit his prime yet. I think he can be a good player with the right team mates on the Preds. A 45-50 point center that plays very well defensively (Behind just Forsberg and Jarnkrok on our team) is a good enough 2C.

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04-01-2017, 07:09 PM
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Don't see Oilers going for that. Kamenev probably holds little value for them and they're probably as high on Nurse as they are on Ekholm. Ekholm would have to be protected while Nurse doesn't.

For our side, I still don't get the obsession with RNH. Not an upgrade on Fish and, at their current paces, not much of one even over Jarnkrok. Still living off that #1 pick pedigree I guess.
I'm not high on RNH either, but to play devils advocate, Jarnkrok probably won't be here next year. And Fisher will be 37. 2C is a concern.

It's funny, if we do this deal we'd end up with too many centers. Don't do it, and we're likely short.

I ultimately don't see Poile moving our top 4 and just living with the expansion consequences. Hopefully he can work his trade voodoo on McPhee again.

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04-01-2017, 07:23 PM
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Oilers need a RHD so they'd want Ellis not Ekholm. I don't see them trading Nurse either. Oilers have 3 D to protect already so why trade away an exempt player for Ekholm. I don't see many trades happening until after the expansion draft and teams know what player they lost and need to replace.

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I'm not high on RNH either, but to play devils advocate, Jarnkrok probably won't be here next year. And Fisher will be 37. 2C is a concern.

It's funny, if we do this deal we'd end up with too many centers. Don't do it, and we're likely short.

I ultimately don't see Poile moving our top 4 and just living with the expansion consequences. Hopefully he can work his trade voodoo on McPhee again.
If we do this deal before expansion, Jarnkrok will almost guaranteed to stick here as we can protect him and Wilson as well. Still RNH has proven a lot more than Jarnkrok even with his disappointment pro-career so far, and I have no doubt he'll bounce back under the right circumstances.

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04-04-2017, 06:15 AM
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Oilers need a RHD so they'd want Ellis not Ekholm. I don't see them trading Nurse either. Oilers have 3 D to protect already so why trade away an exempt player for Ekholm. I don't see many trades happening until after the expansion draft and teams know what player they lost and need to replace.
There were very well thought out proposal on trade rumours/free agent talk forum.

Ellis for RNH + Benning as a base. Add small pieces if needed. Benning has played really good rookie season. Already a good 3rd pairing guy who has a lot more potential and he is exempt from ED.

Nashville would lose a bit value in this trade but they gain value by able to protect valuable forwards. Edmonton would be vice versa. Gain value in trade but would be forced to protect 8+1 (Draisaitl, Eberle, Lucic, Maroon, Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera, Ellis +Talbot) and would lose forward they would like to keep. But gettting Ellis is more important.

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04-04-2017, 06:39 AM
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After this season I don't see any way in hell Poile would let Ellis go anywhere. Anyone wanting him is going to need to give up a premium because we have absolutely zero reason to want to trade him.

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Trading Ellis right now is crazy talk unless the return is major. Absolutely no reason to entertain that idea.

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Ellis is the next captain of this team.

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04-04-2017, 09:33 AM
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There were very well thought out proposal on trade rumours/free agent talk forum.

Ellis for RNH + Benning as a base. Add small pieces if needed. Benning has played really good rookie season. Already a good 3rd pairing guy who has a lot more potential and he is exempt from ED.

Nashville would lose a bit value in this trade but they gain value by able to protect valuable forwards. Edmonton would be vice versa. Gain value in trade but would be forced to protect 8+1 (Draisaitl, Eberle, Lucic, Maroon, Larsson, Klefbom, Sekera, Ellis +Talbot) and would lose forward they would like to keep. But gettting Ellis is more important.
It isn't well thought out for Nashville. They add 3.5 million in cap hit to downgrade from Ellis to RNH. I'd much rather keep Ellis and just lose one of Jarnkrok or Wilson and worry about replacing them in the offseason, or even better, pay Vegas not to take them if possible. I'm not a big RNH fan anyway, his defensive ability is greatly overstated by EDM fans, he's also physically weak and terrible at faceoffs. I'd want a better C if we're breaking up the top 4, even if it means adding to one of our D-men to get him.


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05-03-2017, 04:37 AM
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What do you think Nashville would want for Jarnkrok?

As an Edmonton fan I think the Oilers should just trade picks or prospects for him as the Oilers really only have 6 forwards worth protecting atm.

Seems like he'd be a good, cost controlled fit as the third line center.

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What do you think Nashville would want for Jarnkrok?
Well, we could use a 2nd line centerman...

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05-03-2017, 10:24 AM
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Curious to see what Nashville fans think of Eberle for Neal?

Eberle has 2 years left at 6.000
Neal has 1 year left at 5.000

I know Edmonton's situation, but I don't know Nashville's so I apologize if it's not what you want/need.

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05-03-2017, 11:48 AM
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What do you think Nashville would want for Jarnkrok?

As an Edmonton fan I think the Oilers should just trade picks or prospects for him as the Oilers really only have 6 forwards worth protecting atm.

Seems like he'd be a good, cost controlled fit as the third line center.
The Preds aren't going to trade Jarnkrok and then also lose Colin Wilson to expansion. Not unless you're offering a decent forward that's exempt and already in the NHL, you're definitely not getting him for picks and throwaway prospects.

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Curious to see what Nashville fans think of Eberle for Neal?

Eberle has 2 years left at 6.000
Neal has 1 year left at 5.000

I know Edmonton's situation, but I don't know Nashville's so I apologize if it's not what you want/need.
Not even remotely interested. Neal actually plays well away from the puck, forechecks very well and plays physical. If you're thinking he needs a change of scenery or something, you'd be wrong. The reason his numbers are down are due to a wrist/hand injury. He was on pace for 40+ before that and even after returning to the lineup he wasn't the same for a very long time.

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Not even remotely interested. Neal actually plays well away from the puck, forechecks very well and plays physical. If you're thinking he needs a change of scenery or something, you'd be wrong. The reason his numbers are down are due to a wrist/hand injury. He was on pace for 40+ before that and even after returning to the lineup he wasn't the same for a very long time.
Agreed. Neal fits much better with the style of game the Preds are looking to play. The smaller forwards we have play with high energy and strong two-way games, neither a quality I associate with Eberle.

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The Preds aren't going to trade Jarnkrok and then also lose Colin Wilson to expansion. Not unless you're offering a decent forward that's exempt and already in the NHL, you're definitely not getting him for picks and throwaway prospects.



Not even remotely interested. Neal actually plays well away from the puck, forechecks very well and plays physical. If you're thinking he needs a change of scenery or something, you'd be wrong. The reason his numbers are down are due to a wrist/hand injury. He was on pace for 40+ before that and even after returning to the lineup he wasn't the same for a very long time.
Fair enough. I appreciate the reply

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I WOULD NOT leave arvidsson exposed because Vegas WILL pick him up.

I'm guessing they 7-3-1 is route they go

Forwards
Arvidsson
Neal
Fisher
Johansen
Forsberg
Fiala

which leaves one of
Wilson/Smith/Sissons/Salomaki/Watson

given that Salomaki was injured for most of the season I doubt he would be the one chosen and Watson has the fewest experience amongst the rest I'm thinking its a choice between Jarnkrok/Smith/Wilson/Sissons.

Defensemen
Subban
Josi
Ellis

granted this will leave Eckholm unprotected and you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be picked. What Nashville can do is conduct a trade with Vegas (let's say for future considerations) conditional, Vegas does not take a defenseman in the expansion draft.

Montreal pulled that with Nashville so the Preds would take Vokoun. Which I think worked out quite well for the preds.

Goaltenders
Rinne
Saros is still exempt and I doubt Vegas takes Mazanec as he's disappointed at the NHL level which actually disappointed me (I'm partial to the southpaw goalie go figure)


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Fiala is exempt and Fisher is a UFA. Also, there is no chance Ekholm is exposed. The list is pretty simple:

Johansen
Forsberg
Arvidsson
Neal
Subban
Josi
Ellis
Ekholm
Rinne

Which means they'll lose Jarnkrok or Wilson unless they make a trade with Vegas.

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Neal is an UFA after next season. i would prefer jarnkrok with his contract status. Neal may just leave. he can either extend or maybe he can go to vegas. I'm sure he would love it there.

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05-04-2017, 01:11 PM
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Ellis is untouchable barring a kings ransom now. He has become a top pairing defenseman in his own right. The Josi/Ellis pairing rivals the Suter/Weber pairing in terms of effectiveness. I honestly think it is working better than the Josi/Weber pairing did.

Ekholm could be movable, but the chemistry between Subban and Ekholm is starting to take a firm grip.

I am abandoning my previous position that we could move a defenseman and add a forward to gain more control...

I would rather keep all 4 and let one of Wilson, Jarnkrok, or Smith walk to be honest. If there is a trade out there where ME is moved, you can explore it, but only if it is a win - win and we have a plan for d-man addition in place.

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Ellis is untouchable barring a kings ransom now. He has become a top pairing defenseman in his own right. The Josi/Ellis pairing rivals the Suter/Weber pairing in terms of effectiveness. I honestly think it is working better than the Josi/Weber pairing did.

Ekholm could be movable, but the chemistry between Subban and Ekholm is starting to take a firm grip.

I am abandoning my previous position that we could move a defenseman and add a forward to gain more control...

I would rather keep all 4 and let one of Wilson, Jarnkrok, or Smith walk to be honest. If there is a trade out there where ME is moved, you can explore it, but only if it is a win - win and we have a plan for d-man addition in place.
agreed. We have Ellis for two more years at very reasonable money. Everyone else is signed for 3 years or more. This is what is going to define our current cup "window" moreso than our forward corps. Trading Ekholm should only be done for a sure fire 2C with some term, and with a plan to acquire a defenseman with top 4 potential that PK could hopefully help elevate.

there is a day coming when we wont be able to afford all three of Subban, Ellis and Josi, but that's not for a minimum of two more years

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This post season has proven Poile's strategy of having good mobile defenseman. He isn't going to trade away or leave one of the top 4 exposed in the draft.

If I'm Poile, I use the expansion draft as leverage to get Neal to sign an extension. If he does, you protect him and lose Krok or Wilson. If he won't sign, you leave Neal exposed.

The expansion draft is coming at a bad time for Nashville. We are going to lose a very good player that just signed a bargain long term deal (Krok).

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I would not be surprised if Smith plus prospects is on the table. I truly believe Smith is a type that GMGM would want.

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How good of a prospect(s) would we want to give up for LV to take Smith?

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