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12-30-2005, 03:52 PM
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Your plan at the deadline assuming Primeau retires?

Assuming Primeau retires there should be significant cap space available, my deadline plan would then be to bring in a couple of rentals.

-> Savage waive/trade
-> Sim waive/trade
-> Seidenberg, trade bait
-> Bunch of picks, prospects

<- one new top-6 forward (examples: Samsonov, Recchi, Parrish, Sykora)
<- one new center, 3rd/4th line (
examples: Ricci, W.Primeau, McCauley)
<- one new 4th/5th D-man (
examples: Spacek, Salei, Carney, Gauthier)


Playoff squad:

Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble
Samsonov - Carter - Umberger
Handzus - Richards - Kapanen
Brashear - Ricci - Stevenson
Radivojevic, Eager

Pitkanen - Rathje
Johnsson - Hatcher
Desjardins - Carney
Therien, Meyer

Niittymaki
Esche

(6'346'000 in added salary, - Savage, Sim and Seidenberg = -1'400'000 =
5 million added total at the deadline, should fit as only about 20% need to be paid)



If you think it's too many players remeber 03/04, from January to March:
Markov, Timander, Zhamnov, Burke, Radivojevic and Malakhov was aquired
Therien, Weinrich, Williams, Comrie and Vandermeer were shipped out.

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hard to say right now... i wouldn't be that interested in anyone with a contract past this year though.

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hard to say right now... i wouldn't be that interested in anyone with a contract past this year though.
That's what i mean with "rental" all my examples are UFA's this coming offseason.

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I don't think we should overlook the importance of having players like Matt Cooke, Ian Laperriere, or Dan Hinote. Imagine having Turner Stevenson but cheaper, younger, and not plagued by injuries.

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I'd make inquiries about the following players:

#1. Mike Peca
#2. Bobby Holik

If I couldn't get one of those two then I'd look for a 4th line face-off specialist ala Mike Sillinger, and then use that money to add a defenseman and possibly another winger.

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Originally Posted by Lion of the North
Assuming Primeau retires there should be significant cap space available, my deadline plan would then be to bring in a couple of rentals.

-> Savage waive/trade
-> Sim waive/trade
-> Seidenberg, trade bait
-> Bunch of picks, prospects

<- one new top-6 forward (examples: Samsonov, Recchi, Parrish, Sykora)
<- one new center, 3rd/4th line (
examples: Ricci, W.Primeau, McCauley)
<- one new 4th/5th D-man (
examples: Spacek, Salei, Carney, Gauthier)


Playoff squad:

Gagne - Forsberg - Knuble
Samsonov - Carter - Umberger
Handzus - Richards - Kapanen
Brashear - Ricci - Stevenson
Radivojevic, Eager

Pitkanen - Rathje
Johnsson - Hatcher
Desjardins - Carney
Therien, Meyer

Niittymaki
Esche

(6'346'000 in added salary, - Savage, Sim and Seidenberg = -1'400'000 =
5 million added total at the deadline, should fit as only about 20% need to be paid)



If you think it's too many players remeber 03/04, from January to March:
Markov, Timander, Zhamnov, Burke, Radivojevic and Malakhov was aquired
Therien, Weinrich, Williams, Comrie and Vandermeer were shipped out.
Well, I think for starters, we have a snowball's chance in hell at landing two of Ricci, Samsonov, etc.....While they might be rentals, the Bruins and the Coyotes just aren't going to give them away. And contrary to popular belief, it's not worth trading a first round pick for a month or two of those guys. I'd rather keep the pick and see what becomes available.

If Primeau retires, I say just throw Handzus into that role. He's plenty smart defensively and he's said that he thrives at that part of the game and enjoys it. I'd really like to see us shed salaries of players like Brashear, Savage and Therien and then see what kind of budget we can play with. If we have an extra 3 or 4 million to play with, maybe we can land a forward and a defenseman. I wouldn't mind seeing Clarke talk with Anaheim, Chicago, Florida, NYI, Buffalo and see what's available. Maybe we can get a forward from one of the teams (Gary Roberts would be a good fit in Philadelphia) and maybe a defenseman from the other (Janne Niinimaa or Alexei Zhitnik anyone).

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I don't think we should overlook the importance of having players like Matt Cooke, Ian Laperriere, or Dan Hinote. Imagine having Turner Stevenson but cheaper, younger, and not plagued by injuries.




The players you mentioned would take alot to get
How about: Sillinger, Drake, LeClerc, Axelsson?

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I'd love to see a Spacek or Carney level guy added. If there is one thing we need, it's another legit defenseman. You can never have too many, and a guy that will keep Therien off the ice except in the direst of emergencies would be awesome.

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Originally Posted by John Flyers Fan
I'd make inquiries about the following players:

#1. Mike Peca
#2. Bobby Holik

If I couldn't get one of those two then I'd look for a 4th line face-off specialist ala Mike Sillinger, and then use that money to add a defenseman and possibly another winger.
I agree that Peca would be a natural replacement butEdmonton will most likely be in the playoff race so it would require an overpayment.

Holiks contract?

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So if Primeau retires, the captaincy would shift to Gagne immediately, right?

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Ricci is a strong possibility because Clarke likes to deal with Phoenix, but how about Tkachuk after 50 games. Flyers lose one Keith but gain another one? Sounds like a nice hockey story. We need another goal scorer!!

Flyers would only have too pick up somewhere in neighborhood of 1.5 million total I think, plus Ricci 1.52 after 50 games would be chump change. I am not sure what we have to give up for Tkachuk tough. No one in NHL made that kind of a deal yet (well with Fedorovs exception but Sergey has a few years on his contract) and if Keith will be on fire he may cost Flyers something.
Primeau and his 3.42M is out, cut Therian(maybe keep him), cut Sim & Savage, Sinderberg trade block and prospect or a pick.

Gagne Forsberg Knuble
Tkachuk Carter Umberger
Handzus Richards Kapanen
Brashear Ricci Radio
Stevenson (if he is back) if not Brash is a exstra forward.
Who knows, if the cap will be 45M next year we can ask Tkachuk to stay for 3.5M? (I seriously doubt it)
This is a risky move but hey... Clarke traded for Oates once?


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I want nothing to do with Peca.

A defensman I have been musing at as a possible acquisition all year is Ruslan Salei.

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Ricci is a strong possibility because Clarke likes to deal with Phoenix, but how about Tkachuk after 50 games. Flyers lose one Keith but gain another one? Sounds like a nice hockey story. We need another goal scorer!!

The Blues have an option on Tkachuk for 06/07 at 3.8 mil, he would therefore cost alot.

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Well, I think for starters, we have a snowball's chance in hell at landing two of Ricci, Samsonov, etc.....While they might be rentals, the Bruins and the Coyotes just aren't going to give them away. And contrary to popular belief, it's not worth trading a first round pick for a month or two of those guys. I'd rather keep the pick and see what becomes available.
I dont think Ricci would cost alot (2nd round pick?), Carney (2nd + Seidenberg?) and Samsonov (1st + ??) we have alot of draft picks

If that 1st round pick improves your team enough it sure as hell is worth it, i rather have a good run at the cup then some prospect who is 4 years away.

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I don't really want a Ricci, and I don't want to overpay for someone like Samsonov. A 2nd line winger would be a nice pickup, but a defenseman is much more pressing, even after getting Pitkanen and (maybe?) Desjardins back before the trade deadline. Salei would probably fit nicely on our 3rd pairing.

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So if Primeau retires, the captaincy would shift to Gagne immediately, right?

No.


Some guys to think about up front:

Trevor Letowski (can play any forward position)
Marc Chouinard (although I think the Wild will be in it)
Curtis Brown (good faceoff guy and very useful)
Ryan Johnson (fodder but won't hurt you very much)
Martin Gelinas (elevates his game when the stakes are high, proven playoff performer)
Matthew Barnaby (why not?)
Ian Lapperriere (these are the types of guys who win games, should the Avs fall out)


and on the back end:
Eric Weinrich (keeps Therien off the ice)
Ruslan Salei (knows how to play this game)
Karlis Skrastins (underrated, top 4 d-man should the Avs fall out)
Brian Leetch (UFA, who is still an effective player who would fit well in any role and can run a PP which will be crucial in the playoffs, plus he is a former Conn Smythe winner)

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The Blues have an option on Tkachuk for 06/07 at 3.8 mil, he would therefore cost alot.
3.8 for Tkachuk for next year if cap will be at 45M and no Primeau? I do not see a problem!!! 5 goals per game. Even with Tkachuk and no Primeau Flyers are able to make one move in off season.
3 solid lines plus solid checking line and solid defense.

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3.8 for Tkachuk for next year if cap will be at 45M and no Primeau? I do not see a problem!!! 5 goals per game. Even with Tkachuk and no Primeau Flyers are able to make one move in off season.
3 solid lines plus solid checking line and solid defense.
Sorry, i meant that the Flyers would have to send the Blues alot to get Tkachuk not that he had a high salary.

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Sorry, i meant that the Flyers would have to send the Blues alot to get Tkachuk not that he had a high salary.
Maybe? Maybe not?
Ruziska and Seinderber, or Seinderberg and 3d round (IMO overpayment but doable for a guy who missed what 20-25 games so far and expected back in late January, came to training camp overweight ). Take your pick. Thats a nice package for a guy who is injured right now and will need time just to get into the game shape again. Flyers may not need pay a lot.


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No.


Some guys to think about up front:

Trevor Letowski (can play any forward position)
Marc Chouinard (although I think the Wild will be in it)
Curtis Brown (good faceoff guy and very useful)
Ryan Johnson (fodder but won't hurt you very much)
Martin Gelinas (elevates his game when the stakes are high, proven playoff performer)
Matthew Barnaby (why not?)
Ian Lapperriere (these are the types of guys who win games, should the Avs fall out)


and on the back end:
Eric Weinrich (keeps Therien off the ice)
Ruslan Salei (knows how to play this game)
Karlis Skrastins (underrated, top 4 d-man should the Avs fall out)
Brian Leetch (UFA, who is still an effective player who would fit well in any role and can run a PP which will be crucial in the playoffs, plus he is a former Conn Smythe winner)
Gelinas and Leetch would be nice pickups as would anyone of those d man. With all the uncertainty about the cap it is to hard to determine what they can do. I don't see them waiving any players because of the injuries we have had this season and come playoff time healthy bodies are at a premium and the depth will be welcome, as we all know around here.
Shore up the d first and if by some slim chance there is a top pairing dman available for a rental(don't know one off hand just a suggestion) and you have to overpay(prospects and draft choices hopefully), so be it as with forsberg only hear for 2 years you may have to sacfrifice some future to win right now. That is something I can live with, high risk = high reward. Besides the fact that the Flyers have shown an excellent ability to draft over the last 6 years it might not be that bad. right now Primeau is out of the equation and is not being counted on one bit by the players IMO. They can win without him as he is not the difference between the Flyers winning the cup or not. Don't let that great playoff run cloud your judgement. This is a win now mode for the next 2 years so you go for it!

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I'd really like to see us shed salaries of players like Brashear, Savage and Therien and then see what kind of budget we can play with.
I'd add Stevenson to tha list.

Brashear - 1.748 mil
Stevenson - 1.254 mil
Therien - .5 mil
Savage - .5 mil
Total - 4 mil

Therien has got to go, he has easily cost the flyers 3-4 goals on this road trip with stupid turnovers. He shud not be playin once pitkannen/desjardins get back, trade him for the cap room. I wud like to see the flyers keep seidenberg, but gotta give something to get something.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=148753&hubname=nhl

Considering the promising play of Niitty and the need of several teams for a veteran goalie...wud u consider moving esche or leave him as ur "quality" back-up?

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anyone think we could pry Kyle Calder from CHI

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Oooookay, then why and who?

Right now, the only thing stopping Gagne from wearing the 'C' is himself.

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anyone think we could pry Kyle Calder from CHI
I'd love Calder on our 2nd or 3rd line, but I would think he would be one of the few guys on the Hawks who Tallon would NOT want to trade. I think a d-man is more likely, but Calder and a good d-man would be awesome. It might cost us dearly, though.

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Oooookay, then why and who?

Right now, the only thing stopping Gagne from wearing the 'C' is himself.
Gagne is not captain material.Desjardins would be the logical choice.

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My observations are these:

1. I think there's a hole at the blueline. If at the deadline we REALLY think we have a shot, I make a move for Scott Niedermeyer.

2. Mike Peca is a good addition to ANY team at ANY time; don't know if he can be gotten but I think there is a hole in the PK, esp. faceoff specialist. Come 5 minutes left in Game Six against Ottawa I need someone better than Handzus matching up against Alfredsson.


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