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different positions but I understand what your saying

Honestly, I`m a fan who 100% with allowing a prospect to develop, unless a team is in an absolute rebuild, no reason to push him into a spot he`s not ready for
I just don't see a reason to send him to Providence if he has a good camp and shows why he was a 1st rounder. I'm not expecting top four minutes but I know I'd rather have McAvoy fill one of K Miller or McQuaids spots.

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Theres countless examples of rushing players, I don't disagree with that.

Having watched McAvoy countless times over the last couple years, he would IMO be one of the top 6 d men on the Bruins TODAY. If that proves true in training camp, are you sending him back down to Providence?
My guess (hope) is McAvoy is in Boston lineup next year.

For me, that doesn't necessarily equate to rushing him unless he struggles and we are in a situation where we don't have any other options but to let him get overwhelmed.

I guess in a nutshell that's my concern with all who are so ready to trade Carlo as part of Landeskog deal. Chara is one year older, we remove a player who is currently serving #2 role (whether that is where he should be or not), but many want to say McAvoy will step in as a top pair.

Not that we have any say in what happens -- but if management adopts same line of thinking, then that has all the hallmarks of rushing a player.

Rushing a defensemen if he is really not ready can be a real confidence crusher due to no place to hide syndrome. I'd be much happier if we didn't subtract from our D (or even added to it, how's that for crazy!?!?!?) and let McAvoy come in and see how it goes.

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If the team is better with him in the lineup
At this point I don't see how that won't be the case. Barring acquiring Shattenkirk I think by mid season next year he'll be a consistent contributor.

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At this point I don't see how that won't be the case. Barring acquiring Shattenkirk I think by mid season next year he'll be a consistent contributor.
at some point (think it was last year) I was on board with Shattenkirk, but that was only due to the fact that he had another year on his deal

I really like the Shattenkirk idea for the PP and he`d get his pts for sure, my concern with him is 5 on 5 and for a guy who`ll be making or probably getting between 6-7 million, I think money needs to be spent on other things

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at some point (think it was last year) I was on board with Shattenkirk, but that was only due to the fact that he had another year on his deal

I really like the Shattenkirk idea for the PP and he`d get his pts for sure, my concern with him is 5 on 5 and for a guy who`ll be making or probably getting between 6-7 million, I think money needs to be spent on other things
Yeah I guess it depends on the contract (which will likely be huge given he'll be a UFA).

I more just mean if they acquire another D man where they could then afford to send McAvoy back for a season or two.

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Theres countless examples of rushing players, I don't disagree with that.

Having watched McAvoy countless times over the last couple years, he would IMO be one of the top 6 d men on the Bruins TODAY. If that proves true in training camp, are you sending him back down to Providence?
If he gets 12mins per game in the NHL then yes. If he can get good minutes with powerplay time(2nd unit) then keep in the NHL.

Carlo was seen as the best defensive prospect in the 2015 draft, which made it easier for him to play in the NHL and coaches to trust him.

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If he gets 12mins per game in the NHL then yes. If he can get good minutes with powerplay time(2nd unit) then keep in the NHL.

Carlo was seen as the best defensive prospect in the 2015 draft, which made it easier for him to play in the NHL and coaches to trust him.
Really don't think he'll get that little time, but what do I know?

I guess we'll have to see. The D as it currently stands has plenty of room for a talent like McAvoy IMO. I think he'll be in the lineup right from the start (how significant of a role he has we don't know yet).

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Really don't think he'll get that little time, but what do I know?

I guess we'll have to see. The D as it currently stands has plenty of room for a talent like McAvoy IMO. I think he'll be in the lineup right from the start (how significant of a role he has we don't know yet).
I don't want to see him in a #5/6 role. Krug and Colin could be easily taking the offensive spots next year.
He hasn't dominated offensively yet and wouldn't honestly mind seeing him in the AHL as the #1D. Build his confidence sky high.

Unless he looks great and get those minutes. It's basically what I've been wanting to see with Puljujarvi this year.

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I also hate burning eligibility years. you lose so much from that angle too.

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I also hate burning eligibility years. you lose so much from that angle too.
What do you mean? Are you suggesting not signing him after this year? IMO you sign guys like that as soon as you can.

Obviously you lose an eligibility year regardless if hes in Providence or Boston.

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right, I forgot he was graduating. thought he could in theory do another NCAA year.

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I don't want to see him in a #5/6 role. Krug and Colin could be easily taking the offensive spots next year.
He hasn't dominated offensively yet and wouldn't honestly mind seeing him in the AHL as the #1D. Build his confidence sky high.

Unless he looks great and get those minutes. It's basically what I've been wanting to see with Puljujarvi this year.
Krug is a LHD obviously, so I think hes irrelevant to McAvoy.

I don't disagree on Colin, but that means you have McQuaid/K Miller in the top four AGAIN.

I don't think we're too far off in our opinions, I just woudl rather see Mac in Boston if he shows he can handle it.

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right, I forgot he was graduating. thought he could in theory do another NCAA year.
He has two more years of eligibility at BU.

Leaving him unsigned for another year is one more year of people chirping in his ear to go UFA.

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02-17-2017, 10:25 AM
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Krug is a LHD obviously, so I think hes irrelevant to McAvoy.

I don't disagree on Colin, but that means you have McQuaid/K Miller in the top four AGAIN.

I don't think we're too far off in our opinions, I just woudl rather see Mac in Boston if he shows he can handle it.
For poweplay Krug matters, but for others he doesn't.

Carlo is still on the team, Carlo- Colin- McQuaid, while McAvoy develops his offensive game and gets used to pro game.
If McAvoy can handle it and coach can trust him I agree with NHL.

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For poweplay Krug matters, but for others he doesn't.

Carlo is still on the team, Carlo- Colin- McQuaid, while McAvoy develops his offensive game and gets used to pro game.
If McAvoy can handle it and coach can trust him I agree with NHL.
im sick of this Krug is a PP Specialist myth. Truth is he has been our best defenseman in all 3 zones this season. He is the best possession player in the entire league. http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggr...t=shotAttempts

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im sick of this Krug is a PP Specialist myth. Truth is he has been our best defenseman in all 3 zones this season. He is the best possession player in the entire league. http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggr...t=shotAttempts
But near the bottom of the league in +- for Dmen and twice as negative as the next B's D.

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im sick of this Krug is a PP Specialist myth. Truth is he has been our best defenseman in all 3 zones this season. He is the best possession player in the entire league. http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggr...t=shotAttempts
Not sure if he called him a specialist. Just because hes really good on the PP doesn't mean hes a PP specialist.

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My guess (hope) is McAvoy is in Boston lineup next year.

For me, that doesn't necessarily equate to rushing him unless he struggles and we are in a situation where we don't have any other options but to let him get overwhelmed.

I guess in a nutshell that's my concern with all who are so ready to trade Carlo as part of Landeskog deal. Chara is one year older, we remove a player who is currently serving #2 role (whether that is where he should be or not), but many want to say McAvoy will step in as a top pair.

Not that we have any say in what happens -- but if management adopts same line of thinking, then that has all the hallmarks of rushing a player.

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Carlo played his way onto the Bruins out of training camp. If he wasn't able to do that he would have been in Providence this year.

I expect the same for McAvoy. I'd also like to see him play in Boston next year, but if he isn't up to it they will develop him in Providence and scramble to find another piece for the rotation.

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im sick of this Krug is a PP Specialist myth. Truth is he has been our best defenseman in all 3 zones this season. He is the best possession player in the entire league. http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggr...t=shotAttempts
I didn't say anything about Krug being just a pp specialist.

I said Krug& Colin likely would take the pp spots away from Mcavoy next year.

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Go look at the career of one Curtis Lazar if you want to see what rushing a player does. It can be more of a problem then you think.
There's a guy on that team who actually is a D-man, drafted around the same place in the draft as McAvoy, who stepped in at 19 and has done alright. What's his name again? Karl Eriksson?

Because if we're going to take one extreme at face value, why not another?

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There's a guy on that team who actually is a D-man, drafted around the same place in the draft as McAvoy, who stepped in at 19 and has done alright. What's his name again? Karl Eriksson?

Because if we're going to take one extreme at face value, why not another?
Lazar's problem , I don't believe is from being rushed but instead is due to sickness / injury that kept him out of the lineup for months and is now just starting to get up to speed! He was also not drafted as an elite prospect , but as a well rounded player who could play up and down the lineup and not hurt you defencivly . I think that is what Ottawa will get from him and will regret trading him if that is their plan. My friend is a huge Sens fan and comes to watch games on my 120" screen so I get to see a fair amount of Sens games when it B's aren't playing and I like Lazar.

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He has two more years of eligibility at BU.

Leaving him unsigned for another year is one more year of people chirping in his ear to go UFA.
I'm not too worried about UFA that is 3 1/2 years away for him.

But I don't see where Boston gains any value leaving him at BU. He may prove to not be ready for Boston in October, but I certainly would rather have him develop at Providence in that case than leave him at BU where he likely wouldn't be available at all to next years team (late March/early April)

I want to control his development and have him work on exactly what the organization sees as his needs to work on.

The only benefit of leaving him at BU for another year is it means he will not burn year of his ELC, and potentially benefit the 2020/2021 Bruins, because McAvoy will be less expensive that season

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Lazar's problem , I don't believe is from being rushed but instead is due to sickness / injury that kept him out of the lineup for months and is now just starting to get up to speed! He was also not drafted as an elite prospect , but as a well rounded player who could play up and down the lineup and not hurt you defencivly . I think that is what Ottawa will get from him and will regret trading him if that is their plan. My friend is a huge Sens fan and comes to watch games on my 120" screen so I get to see a fair amount of Sens games when it B's aren't playing and I like Lazar.
I live in Ottawa, I have to listen to them talk about him all day, every day (since it's the only sports radio I get). It's not injury. They just rushed him out the gate well before this season, and they all recognize it now.

The analogy though is a player that in the World Junior everyone thought "OMG WE GOT A GEM". At that point they figured he was ready for the bigs for sure. And he's floundering now with lack of ice time.

I'd rather any developing player get 15-25 minutes of ice over 3rd pairing/4th line minutes. And so should everyone in here.

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I live in Ottawa, I have to listen to them talk about him all day, every day (since it's the only sports radio I get). It's not injury. They just rushed him out the gate well before this season, and they all recognize it now.

The analogy though is a player that in the World Junior everyone thought "OMG WE GOT A GEM". At that point they figured he was ready for the bigs for sure. And he's floundering now with lack of ice time.

I'd rather any developing player get 15-25 minutes of ice over 3rd pairing/4th line minutes. And so should everyone in here.
3rd pairing D, at least on the Bruins, get 16-17 minutes per game. 14-15 of which (13 for Liles) is ES. And that's with Chara still playing 23:10 per night.

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What do you guys think. Has McAvoy with a successful tourney/season surpassed/equal to some of these D prospects picked ahead? how would you rank below including McAvoy?

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