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10-17-2003, 12:48 PM
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Montreal needs a Powerforward

Well, if Montreal Canadiens want a good 1st line they need a pretty good Powerforward, already established in the NHL.

You guys have any idea of interesting Powerforwards?

What's about :

- Éric Dazé
- Viktor Kozlov
- Todd Bertuzzi
- Jarome Iginla
- Bill Guerin
- Keith Primeau

Any other ideas? Post your proposals!!!

Personally, I think Kozlov is the easiest way to have a nice Powerforward, he could play on Left Wing with Koivu.

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Daze is NOT a powerfoward. He is a powderpuff, who can score goals.

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Kozlov is NOT a powerfoward. He is a powderpuff, who can pass.

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Kozlov is NOT a powerfoward. He is a powderpuff, who can pass.
Just because ur big dont make u a power forward or a heavy hitter, look at Tom Poti

 
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Much easier said than done. The fact of the matter is probably 15 teams are looking for this, and it doesn't come cheap. The teams that have them, aren't going to give them up, and why would they, they are very rare.

Also power forwards are nice, very true, but no mandatory. They are a luxury, but winning championships takes more. Bertuzzi hasn't takent the Canucks that far, getting closer but along why to go. Iginla, Daze, and Kozlov, got to get their teams to playoffs first, which they haven't done much of. I'll take a properly implimented and run system over a power forward, ie Minnesota.

Anyway Montreal needs are simple. They need star forwards not just power forwards, and another star defenseman. Both are hopefully in their system, and if you want a quick fix, Montreal is not the team to be looking at. Gainey has all but stated that they are rebuilding.

There is no real discussion.

Note - many players mentioned are not power forwards, Bertuzzi is basically the only power forward, the rest are players with a power game.

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Much easier said than done. The fact of the matter is probably 15 teams are looking for this, and it doesn't come cheap. The teams that have them, aren't going to give them up, and why would they, they are very rare.

Also power forwards are nice, very true, but no mandatory. They are a luxury, but winning championships takes more. Bertuzzi hasn't takent the Canucks that far, getting closer but along why to go. Iginla, Daze, and Kozlov, got to get their teams to playoffs first, which they haven't done much of. I'll take a properly implimented and run system over a power forward, ie Minnesota.

Anyway Montreal needs are simple. They need star forwards not just power forwards, and another star defenseman. Both are hopefully in their system, and if you want a quick fix, Montreal is not the team to be looking at. Gainey has all but stated that they are rebuilding.

There is no real discussion.

Note - many players mentioned are not power forwards, Bertuzzi is basically the only power forward, the rest are players with a power game.
Iginla and Guerin are powerforwards

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Iginla and Guerin are powerforwards
Not imo, they have power games but not a true powerforward who can beat you by punishing you in the corners, with the fist, have players hanging all over you, impossible to move in front of the net etc. Iginla's game is still a lot about finesse, he goes to the corners and net very very well, but I don't think that constitutes being a power forward. Guerin is close, I think Tkachuk is probably another decent power forward especially a few years ago.

Personally I think the term power forward has lost all meaning these days.

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Well, if Montreal Canadiens want a good 1st line they need a pretty good Powerforward, already established in the NHL.

You guys have any idea of interesting Powerforwards?

What's about :

- Éric Dazé
- Viktor Kozlov
- Todd Bertuzzi
- Jarome Iginla
- Bill Guerin
- Keith Primeau

Any other ideas? Post your proposals!!!

Personally, I think Kozlov is the easiest way to have a nice Powerforward, he could play on Left Wing with Koivu.

Besides nearly all of them being untouchable--Habs do not have what it takes to get the players out of their city

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I would said Montreal need a powerforward like... 26 other teams in the nhl...

I think we can open a bit the search form a montreal point of view. What they would need is a winger to play with Koivu who have SIZE and who scores. He doesnt have to be the next Bertuzzi in my opinion. (Of course it doesnt hurt... )

Montreal doesnt have a lot to offer.

But I think the players who might be involved in a trade are not considered total garbage like Ckercawski (i dont even know how to spell his name after 1 year with Montreal which is not a good point for him...), McKay, Traverse, Dykhuis... etc.

Now, players like Sundstrom, Kilger, Dackell, could be available to go along 1defenseman. Of course, I'm not going to said we have what is need to get something great, but at least. Those players are valuables players for teams in search for depth. And they dont cost 10 millions ...

edit: I'm not talking about acquiring the other players mention aboved in no ways. I'm just commenting generaly. (sp?)

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That is why I think Kozlov, Dazé and Guerin could be available...

Nowadays, no more is untouchable, exept Mario Lemieux

Wayne Gretzky has been traded, Patrick Roy, Pavel Bure too.. so these players could also move.

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most of the guys on that list make good coin and Montreal(ceept in the wet dreams of their fans) do not have what it takes to get any of those guys

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most of the guys on that list make good coin and Montreal(ceept in the wet dreams of their fans) do not have what it takes to get any of those guys
What the hell are you talking about? Any team has what it takes to get Daze. It's just that no team is desperate enough to give what it could take to get this soft injury prone scorer. What, you think if Gainey was offering Markov, Komisarek and Zednik to Smith for Daze he wouldn't run with it? Give me a break.

As for money, Montreal is doing just fine and could actually try to spend more causiously by not giving 2-3M per to any average role player they find like they did with Juneau, Dackell, McKay, etc.

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It would take Koivu+ to get Iggy or Bertuzzi.

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I dont think we are still desesperately in need of a powerforward anymore

With the addition of Michael Ryder, Sheldon Souray, Jason Ward, Steve Begin and Darren Langdon we are not a soft team anymore

And since everyting is going just fine right now I dont see why we should break the team chemistry (we didnt have this in a long time)

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[QUOTE=sYn]
You guys have any idea of interesting Powerforwards?

What's about :

- Éric Dazé
- Viktor Kozlov
- Todd Bertuzzi
- Jarome Iginla
- Bill Guerin
- Keith Primeau

Any other ideas? Post your proposals!!!
QUOTE]

Well, as others have said, neither Kozlov nor Daze are power forwards. I am not really sure about Guerin, but it's a debatable question.

There are some good young power forwards, but none, I think, are available. In no particular order.

Shane Doan
Brenden Morrow
Ryan Smyth
Taylor Pyatt
Erik Cole
Rick Nash

For the Habs, IMO, the question is: how much for Shane Doan?

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For the Habs, IMO, the question is: how much for Shane Doan?
I'd say too much for what he's worth (for the Habs).

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With the addition of Michael Ryder, Sheldon Souray, Jason Ward, Steve Begin and Darren Langdon we are not a soft team anymore
Ok...that's fine...you have those guys who you might not file under the "soft" column...but the rest of the team lives in a Mushroom house and Smurfette is turned on my them...

Just out of curiosity...does anyone have rankings or stats for the average height for the NHL teams?

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Leclair is still available.

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hmm

I don't think Montreal has any assests that are expendable for a power foward considering the Isles got Niinimaa. Granted, it was probably Raffi Torres for Niinimaa, and Izzy was a throw in, it still shows you how valued power fowards are.

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Isles could have an all PF line.
Isbister - Rupp - Bertuzzi

That would be one hell of a line to controle.
Brett Lindros

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First off - 'power forwards' are not needed to win.. but big forwards, or at least those that play with super-grit are.

I would suggest that rather focusing on the already-burdgeoning guys, go take a flyer or three on some lower-teir guys. Josef Vasicek would be a good idea.

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You don't watch Iginla enough, IF AT ALL. Your statements are so far off, it is quite sad really.

Iginla is a power forward, and more. He can and will plow through defenders, he is one of the strongest players on his skates in the league bar-none, and he uses both muscle and finesse whenever he needs either. But he is also a sniper, he has a laser of a shot. He'll also pound on guys like Guerin whenever tempted. :p

If the definition of a power forward is Cam Neely, then Iginla is without a doubt a power forward. But considering he's also a sniper, the term "power sniper" might be more accurate when describing him.

Your explanation of Iginla is exactly why I don't consider him a true power forward. You used other words, but defining him as a power sniper is probably accurate, thus why I said they bring power games. But that is not what I consider a power forward. A guy like Bertuzzi uses brute force most of the time to get the job done, so did a guy like Tkachuk a few years ago. Power forwards bring more of an edge to the game, Iginla will do it, but he doesn't go out of his way like Bertuzzi or Tkachuk or even Joe Thornton. Iginla doesn't do that for the most part. Elements of his game are power, heck Sundin does everything you mention except fight, is he a power forward. Guess what Richard Zednik does everything you mention including fight, but that doesn't make him a power forward either. Ryan Smyth also comes to mind who is more of a sniper with a power game.

It has nothing to do with Iginla or many other players, but the definition of power forward is becoming a joke.

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If the Flyers pick up a good portion of the contract, I think Leclair would be a great fit. I think he's faking his injuries cause he cant live without Lindros
First off, I don't even know why I'm replying to you because you are definitely one of the dumbest posters on these boards (and many of your fellow Habs fans feel the same). With that said, LeClair scored 18 goals in 35 games last year, without Lindros.

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Your explanation of Iginla is exactly why I don't consider him a true power forward. You used other words, but defining him as a power sniper is probably accurate, thus why I said they bring power games. But that is not what I consider a power forward. A guy like Bertuzzi uses brute force most of the time to get the job done, so did a guy like Tkachuk a few years ago. Power forwards bring more of an edge to the game, Iginla will do it, but he doesn't go out of his way like Bertuzzi or Tkachuk or even Joe Thornton. Iginla doesn't do that for the most part. Elements of his game are power, heck Sundin does everything you mention except fight, is he a power forward. Guess what Richard Zednik does everything you mention including fight, but that doesn't make him a power forward either. Ryan Smyth also comes to mind who is more of a sniper with a power game.

It has nothing to do with Iginla or many other players, but the definition of power forward is becoming a joke.
LOL, I thought anyone who's over 6'2" and has somewhat of an offensive upside is a power forward these days........

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