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01-12-2006, 04:22 PM
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Andreychuk HHOF worthy?

Drafted by: Buffalo 1/16 in 1982

GP - 1639
G - 640
A - 698
PTS - 1338
Pts per game - 0.82

50 goals once with toronto in 1993-1994
never had a 100 point year - 99 in 93/94
274 power play goals (1st all-time)
1 stanley cup
23 NHL season if he is done playing
played with.....

Buffalo 1982-1993, 2000-2001
Toronto 1993-1995
New Jersey 1995-1999
Boston 1999-2000
Tampa Bay 2001-2006

also an interesting stat when i was looking at his profile he didnt get a power play assist until 8th NHL season

so is he Hockey Hall of Fame material?

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01-12-2006, 05:20 PM
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I would say no. I've never considered him to be one of the top talents in the game any of the years he's played.

Perhaps if he'd been a more noteworthy contributor in Tampa's Cup run versus being a character guy/roleplayer my opinion might be different.

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01-12-2006, 05:25 PM
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Isn't his claim to fame...power play goals? But besides that...?

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No.

The HHOF is for the best-of-the-best players. While Andreychuk did have a truly outstanding career, he's not in the elite category of players that qualify as Hall-worthy.

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The numbers make it hard to say no, but im going to say no due to the fact that he has never been considered a top performer in the league.

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I would say no. Close call though, just too many players out there that are better than him he has to run against.

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01-12-2006, 05:40 PM
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274 power play goals (1st all-time)
If that right there does not get you into the hall of fame, I am not quite sure what does.

In these parts, he is basically known as the "future hall of famer."

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Yes
Isn't he one of the top scoring LWs of all time?
Not to mention captain of a stanley cup team.

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I think he is a lock.

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also an interesting stat when i was looking at his profile he didnt get a power play assist until 8th NHL season
now that's a tremendous fact, hard to believe for a guy who made his living on the PP

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No.

The HHOF is for the best-of-the-best players. While Andreychuk did have a truly outstanding career, he's not in the elite category of players that qualify as Hall-worthy.
The HHOF is for the very good players, otherwise there would only be a handful of guys in there per era and not dozens.

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I don't know what's up with Andreychuk and the hall but, before the Lightning won the cup nearly everyone in the media was saying he had a very slim chance of getting in the HHOF and even after Tampa won they were saying that but, almost immediately after the lockout ended the same media overwhelmingly said he was a lock. What happened?

I personally don't think that he is worthy though. He was never considered a premier player, at least that I never heard him be called that, and that is probably the most important factor of getting in.

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Perhaps if he'd been a more noteworthy contributor in Tampa's Cup run versus being a character guy/roleplayer my opinion might be different.
Not that this matters in terms of HHOF worthiness, but he was EXTREMELY important in turning around this organization, and to me that's certainly noteworthy. He was the unquestioned leader of his team and he taught the boys here everything they know about how to conduct themselves as professionals. If you mean points-wise, then I agree with you on that.

He also had 18 (or 19, my eyesight is all screwed up today) 20 goal seasons, 2nd only to I believe Howe and Francis.

He'll get in there, whether people think he should or not. The precedent has been set already IMO.

Cue JohnFlyersFan, he always has a lot to say about this.

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He's a lock. The Hockey Hall of Fame rarely passes on guys with his stats.

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I think he is a lock.
I agree. If the all time leader in powerplay goals can't get into the HHoF, theres something wrong with the system.

You have to include very good players in the hall as a measuring stick to determining who the truley great players were.

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01-12-2006, 06:36 PM
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Dino Ciccarelli has over 600 career goals, but isn't the HHOF. Ciccarelli was a better player than Andreychuk in their respective primes, IMO. I don't think Dino will get in for at least a few more years.

Andreychuk has the career PP goals record, but not all records are created equally. I'm the biggest Esposito fan you'll ever meet, but until Andreychuk set the record, I had no idea Espo had it. This isn't one of the endearing records that we're going to talk about in 20 years. (Not like Mike Gartner's run of consistency with at least 30 goals in his first 17 non-lockout seasons).

If you would have asked me this question four years ago, I would have unequivocally said "no," from my perspective and HHOF voter perspectives. I still say no, but not as emphatically. To me, the HHOF should be reserved for the truly elite, the truly special or the truly distinctive. I don't equate Andreychuk as any of those, and the 2004 Cup win notwithstanding, his playoff track record isn't exactly spell-binding.

But his tenure in Tampa is going to change a lot of opinions. No player did more as a leader than Andreychuk from 2002-2004. Tampa Bay was a fractured, cliquish locker room until Andreychuk (and to a lesser extent, Tim Taylor) arrived. They worked hard to build a close, cohesive locker room, and it paid off with a Stanley Cup. Tampa Bay does not win the Cup without them. Period. When Tortorella and Lecavalier were ready to kill each other in January of 2004, Andreychuk played peacemaker. He went from a PP specialist for much of his career to a solid defensive player, a faceoff expert, a gifted leader and a guy who could still contribute on the PP. Our last memories of him are going to be very good, and that will get him a lot of support.

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He was as good as Johny Bucyk.

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He should have no chance.

Good for a long time, but rarely if ever great.

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01-12-2006, 06:40 PM
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I would say yeah, he gets in.

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Anyone who retires with those stats deserves to be in the hall. Why? Consistency. He wasn't great, but he was consistently good to get those numbers, especially the PPG record.

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He should have no chance.

Good for a long time, but rarely if ever great.
That's all it takes.

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He should have no chance.

Good for a long time, but rarely if ever great.
Someone who holds the record for most PP goals scored should not have a chance?

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Really good player for a really long time, but despite scoring all those power-play goals, he was never an elite player (even in his BEST year there were 25 more productive players), and he only played in two all-star games. Very underwhelming credentials... all the PP goals in the universe failed to make him a truly great forward.

That said, yeah, being merely very good for a loooooooooong time might get him in. I'm sure I wouldn't put him in if I had my way, but I think he has a chance. The standards are upsettingly low.

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Someone who holds the record for most PP goals scored should not have a chance?
It's a bit of a bogus stat. Can you tell me who is the all-time leader in PP assists or PP points ??? (without just guessing Gretzky)

Very few if any non-Flyers fans could tell you that Tim Kerr is the single season PP goal leader.

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Yes
Isn't he one of the top scoring LWs of all time?
Not to mention captain of a stanley cup team.
Andy = #2 All time LW scorer

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