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01-13-2006, 03:08 AM
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Proposal: Sabres and Oilers

Peca (Or Reasoner), Rita, and second rounder for Biron.

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01-13-2006, 03:54 AM
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wow. talk about your overpayment. um wow just dont know what else to say.

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01-13-2006, 04:22 AM
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Throw in Ryan Smyth, too.

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01-13-2006, 05:28 AM
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How's Dvorak doing?

And does that guy still have the scoring touch? He did pop in 30 goals as a Ranger, and is good two-way player.

At this point, though I'm reluctant to trade Biron, especially the way he's been playing (39 saves on 40 shots vs Phoenix last night), the injuries are really testing the team's depth.
Kotalik's hit a wall recently and can't hit the net, and the young guys are doing their best... But they need experienced guys around them, otherwise it'll turn into a Pens situation.

Dvorak and a pick (3rd/4th) and I think Regier would think about it.

(as for the original proposal, Peca's not gonna be a Sabre again while Regier's here... They didn't part on good terms. Rita's a spare in Edmonton, he wouldn't crack the line-up with everyone healthy)

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01-13-2006, 06:14 AM
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wow. talk about your overpayment. um wow just dont know what else to say.
It certainly is. Buffalo doesn't need to pick up $2.962 million in cap hit for so little production.

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Dvorak and a pick (3rd/4th) and I think Regier would think about it.
Dvorak's hurt right now (should be back any day) but if that's all it took to get Biron, then I'm sure the deal would be done by now. Dvorak is an UFA after this season. I don't see the Sabres going for that.

Maybe Marc-Antoine Pouliot, Brad Winchester and a 2nd would be more realistic?

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01-13-2006, 08:31 AM
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Robbie Schremp or Raffi Torres for Biron?

I think it's more likely the Sabres trade Norenen

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Robbie Schremp or Raffi Torres for Biron?

I think it's more likely the Sabres trade Norenen
Big price for rental. Isn't Biron UFA after this year?

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Big price for rental. Isn't Biron UFA after this year?
Indeed he is although half of his 2 million contract has been paid so far

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Indeed he is although half of his 2 million contract has been paid so far
Yes, but still.. Schremp is untouchable. He will be excellent player for Edmonton.

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I would do a Dvo and a pick/prospect for Dvo. He is a servicable player. He is strong defensively and I think has the ability to score. We also have an enforcer if you guys want one. I would like to see this happen. I would only make a trade if we can sign him for a couple years.

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What do you mean "Dvo and a pick for Dvo"? And, what do you mean we have "an enforcer if you guys need one?"

Basically, these are the same tired ideas - Oliers fans trying to pass off Reasoner as some elite checker (although he is -9 on a team that is well above .500), 4 million Peca as having trade value, Dvorak (injured, and has ONE 20 goal season in 11 years), and finally cementhead Laraque. None of these guys has any real trade value. I'm willing to be that Buffalo would have no interest whatsoever in any of these guys at the current time. Expecting Biron, the Sabres most valuable trade chip, in return is not realistic.

The Torres/Schremp stuff is not realistic either. Those are stud young players. Lowe is not going to be stupid enough to give up either.

At the end of the day, if Buffalo trades Biron (which they may not), they'll want a good prospect and a 2nd rounder or so.

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01-13-2006, 11:36 AM
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What do you mean "Dvo and a pick for Dvo"? And, what do you mean we have "an enforcer if you guys need one?"

Basically, these are the same tired ideas - Oliers fans trying to pass off Reasoner as some elite checker (although he is -9 on a team that is well above .500), 4 million Peca as having trade value, Dvorak (injured, and has ONE 20 goal season in 11 years), and finally cementhead Laraque. None of these guys has any real trade value. I'm willing to be that Buffalo would have no interest whatsoever in any of these guys at the current time. Expecting Biron, the Sabres most valuable trade chip, in return is not realistic.

The Torres/Schremp stuff is not realistic either. Those are stud young players. Lowe is not going to be stupid enough to give up either.

At the end of the day, if Buffalo trades Biron (which they may not), they'll want a good prospect and a 2nd rounder or so.
Buffalo lost 2 more fowards to injury last night, Right now the injured list looks like:
Roy, Gaustaud, Briere, Dumont, Mair. Drury still isn't @ 100% either. Biron for a scoring rental. Biron for Weight anyone?

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Big price for rental. Isn't Biron UFA after this year?
RFA.

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Biron for Weight anyone?
I dunno why the Blues would do that.

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01-13-2006, 11:41 AM
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We don't think Reasoner is an "elite checker", you obviously made that bit up yourself. His -9 is surprising because that's not the norm for him.

What do goalies go for these days?

Hemsky, Torres, and even Schremp & Cogliano are all definetely untouchable, imo.

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Basically, these are the same tired ideas - Oliers fans trying to pass off Reasoner as some elite checker (although he is -9 on a team that is well above .500)
Just to comment on one thing, Reasoner is an excellent checker. Unfortunately, he doesn't have an opportunity to play that role as Peca has been doing it (and doing it well) all year. Reasoner has been stuck on the fourth line with mostly Laraque and Harvey as linemates which mostly accounts for his poor +/-. Reasoner has not had a poor season.

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I dunno why the Blues would do that.
Biron=Prospect+Pick=What they will get for Weight

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Just to comment on one thing, Reasoner is an excellent checker. Unfortunately, he doesn't have an opportunity to play that role as Peca has been doing it (and doing it well) all year. Reasoner has been stuck on the fourth line with mostly Laraque and Harvey as linemates which mostly accounts for his poor +/-. Reasoner has not had a poor season.

This is where we disagree. I don't think Reasoner is an "excellent checker." I seem him being in the same league as players like Shawn Bates on the Island, Eric Belanger in LA, or Jan Bulis in Montreal. In other words, a GOOD (not excellent) two-way player who can be used in many situations but doens't excell anywhere. Guys like that are nice to have around, and I know Shawn Bates if very highly regarded on the Island. But, I also believe that these sort of players have little trade value.

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This is where we disagree. I don't think Reasoner is an "excellent checker." I seem him being in the same league as players like Shawn Bates on the Island, Eric Belanger in LA, or Jan Bulis in Montreal. In other words, a GOOD (not excellent) two-way player who can be used in many situations but doens't excell anywhere. Guys like that are nice to have around, and I know Shawn Bates if very highly regarded on the Island. But, I also believe that these sort of players have little trade value.
I'm still waiting for someone to elaborate on why Buffalo should pick up $2.962 million (or $1.481 million for the rest of this year) on the original proposal. For that amount, they can lease out far more offensively productive rental types (like say Sykora). Neither Reasoner nor Peca *shudder* fill any sort of hole except as warm bodies. Rita holds no interest -- and that seems to extend to Oil fans as well as just about everyone else.

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One way to look at it, Chainshot: I personally think that Buffalo is built to do well in the playoffs: Balanced, fast, and hard working. There may be some advantages to adding a gritty vet or two, because I honestly think the Sabres are one of the better teams in the conference.

I don't think, however, that any of the players here are the ticket: Reasoner and Dvorak are inferior to similar players on the Buffalo roster right now (although I understand you guys have lots of injuries) and there would be to much bagage with Peca. You want a guy who will complement the current lineup, not reshape it with his own history.

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Moreau + a 4th for Biron would be fair IMO.

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If I'm Lowe, you'd have to pry Moreau from my dead lifeless grasp.

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If I'm Lowe, you'd have to pry Moreau from my dead lifeless grasp.

I'll second that. It would take a near miracle to trade Moreau. The problem is edmonton has so many "don't want to trade him" guys that we can't offer anything of substance to get a tender.

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Throw in Ryan Smyth, too.
better make it pronger aswell way to lopsided for edmonton

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