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Better Rookie Season: Vesey, Buchnevich, or Skjei

View Poll Results: Best rookie season for NYR?
Jimmy Vesey 40 16.81%
Pavel Buchnevich 132 55.46%
Brady Skjei 66 27.73%
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01-18-2017, 01:20 PM
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Yeah but Vesey isn't playing with grunts on the 4th line Pirri is a skill player and Fast is having a much better year he's played on top lines in the past. Should be a third line on most teams

Vesey just hasn't done anything in a while. I didn't hear his name once last night
I'm not seeing a playmaker in either Pirri or Fast. Vesey's production drops after being away from Stepan/Nash/Zucc to Pirri/Fast/Lindberg. Whoa...did not see that coming!

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That's like........Tanner Glass territory.
No it isn't, Bobe! Don't make me pull up the numbers.

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Voted Vesey he's hit a wall and his early production coincided with the depth of the offense but at the same time a huge factor needs to be said with consistency in the lineup. You can't be a good rookie by sitting down for 2 months. That counts for a lot actually. Buch is clearly the more talented offensive player and produces but he needs to stay in the lineup and he has to prove that. Good thing half the season is left and at his pace he will out produce all the rookies on this team. If he doesn't get hurt again.

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tough call here.

buch has been hurt but when he plays hes been effective and looks as advertised. hes so smooth and his passing is sublime. hes certainly more playmaker than finisher so far. im impressed by how quick he does stuff with the puck, his passes are up tempo and his shots look like they arrive with purpose. at the same time, hes able to do stuff in a controlled, composed fashion and not look hurried. he seems relaxed and confident every time i watch him.

being able to do things at pace and yet look not hurried or discombobulated, is the sigh of a high end player.

vesey seems more straight ahead and less flashy. more finisher than playmaker. to me, hes a young rick nash with similar strengths and ability to finish. hes also as advertised. i think hes tired and is feeling the effects of all these games. hes got a pro body and a top notch attitude/work ethic. hell be fine.

both of these guys are gems.

skjei isnt flashy and is struggling along with the entire defense right now. hes a bull and a kid who can really motor when hes moving his feet. as a mostly defensive guy, i believe hes got more offensive upside than hes shown. with his size and wheels, hell be a solid nhl defender. like the other 2, hes very young and playing D is tougher then playing wing in the nhl. growing pains. im still bullish on brady skjei.

1. buchy
2. vesey
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01-18-2017, 01:44 PM
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I think Skjei has been worse the last few months than Vesey, although I'm not saying Vesey has been good.

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01-18-2017, 06:51 PM
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I threw this and the scoring title polls up before the season, y'all are cheating by voting now.

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01-18-2017, 06:56 PM
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45 games in it is easy to forget how dominant Vesey looked for a rookie in his first dozen games. He will be a good player. He has the tools and the IQ.

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01-18-2017, 07:00 PM
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Even with the extended break, this is easily Buch.

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01-18-2017, 07:11 PM
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45 games in it is easy to forget how dominant Vesey looked for a rookie in his first dozen games. He will be a good player. He has the tools and the IQ.
Indeed. This is quite the adjustment season for him playing so much more and we knew there would be growing pains but all the tools are there and we've seen it.

Vesey and Buch are going to be pretty damn good players for us.

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Buch has 6 less points than Vesey in 31 less games.

That being said, Vesey started hot too and cooled off considerably.

But, I still think it's Buch who will have the better rookie season. Easily.

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Butcher has more potential than Vesey. Only 13 games, but scores at PPG at the age of 21. Vesey is 2 years older and has under .5 ppg. Short term this may change, but I expect Butcher to improve much more than Vesey because the latter's prime development years are over. Butcher will get better as he gains weight, among other reasons. Even if their performance was equal this year, Butcher would be a superior prospect because he's 21, not 23.

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And he has 3 years experience playing pro-hockey. That's huge

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45 games in it is easy to forget how dominant Vesey looked for a rookie in his first dozen games. He will be a good player. He has the tools and the IQ.
"Dominant" is not the word I'd use to describe Vesey's start.

"Opportunistic" is probably the word I'd personally use.

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45 games in it is easy to forget how dominant Vesey looked for a rookie in his first dozen games. He will be a good player. He has the tools and the IQ.
Because it was the start of the season. The 3-4 games a week against grown ups is catching up and he is struggling, which was to be expected. He needs time.

He will be a good player, but not as good as the whole hype made him out to be

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01-19-2017, 12:10 PM
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He's 23. Same age as Miller and Zibanejad. I'm not that optimistic that he'll be anything more than a complimentary second liner.

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He's 23. Same age as Miller and Zibanejad. I'm not that optimistic that he'll be anything more than a complimentary second liner.
And that's perfectly fine

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Buch is one of our top quality players.
Maybe after his injury, but Buch was insecure when he first come here earlier this summer - also because of the language barrier and small ice arena, of course.
We will see next match - hopefully he will be consistent for us against the Leaf and continue his positive production with Zib & Nash, and both are hungry to contribute
on the scoreboard - especially Rick Nash if he have any plans to remain in New York over the summer.

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Butcher has more potential than Vesey. Only 13 games, but scores at PPG at the age of 21. Vesey is 2 years older and has under .5 ppg. Short term this may change, but I expect Butcher to improve much more than Vesey because the latter's prime development years are over. Butcher will get better as he gains weight, among other reasons. Even if their performance was equal this year, Butcher would be a superior prospect because he's 21, not 23.
Buchnevich is a superior prospect because he has a lot more natural talent. The puck finds him. Can't teach that.

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He's 23. Same age as Miller and Zibanejad. I'm not that optimistic that he'll be anything more than a complimentary second liner.
Getting a complementary 2nd liner for free is an absolute steal.

Granted it is a small sample size for Buch with his injury but he appears to be the real deal.

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Buch, skjei and vesey. Still like vesey but he's been having a rough stretch as of late. And buch even if he's having a quiet night can simply make a beautiful pass that will lead to goal. Skjei has had rough stretch but still will put up 30 or more points this year as a rookie dman and on this team being dman while learning on the go isn't easy

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Vesey seems like he's gotten a little lost in the mix. The Rangers have found three line with unquestionable chemistry—and he's not on any those.

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Vesey seems like he's gotten a little lost in the mix. The Rangers have found three line with unquestionable chemistry—and he's not on any those.
trade him for D!!

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trade him for D!!
Not the worst idea...

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Voted Skjei. Wanted to vote Buch cause he is absolutely electric, but I factored in the durability and the fact that Skjei is playing a position which carries more responsibility and is by all accounts the tougher to adjust to at the pro level.

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Not the worst idea...
im just laughing if we trade him after all the bs we went thru to get him here, i agree it would be a good move

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