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Better Rookie Season: Vesey, Buchnevich, or Skjei

View Poll Results: Best rookie season for NYR?
Jimmy Vesey 40 20.41%
Pavel Buchnevich 128 65.31%
Brady Skjei 28 14.29%
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01-25-2017, 01:07 PM
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Can we pleas see the stats for all play? Not just 5v5. PP goals count too.
Surely. I opted for 5v5 because I was going to include shot attempt metrics as well.

Kevin Hayes:
494 mins
6 goals
10 assists (only one of them secondary, that's insane)
16 points
1.94 points per 60

Jimmy Vesey:
648 mins
11 goals
8 assists
19 points
1.76 points per 60

Which means Vesey got double the PP time (50 mins vs 100 mins) than Hayes did at this point in their rookie years, and Hayes still outpaced Vesey.

So, Hayes was better in the first half, and then exploded in the second half.

Unless Vesey goes off in the 2nd half of the season, which we have no objective reason to believe, especially because all I've been hearing about is 'rookie wall', then their rookie seasons shouldn't be compared.

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[5v5 only]

Kevin Hayes rookie through 1/25:

41 games
458 minutes
5 goals
9 assists
14 points
1.83 points per 60
+1.3 relSA%
-6.64 relGF%

Jimmy Vesey through 1/25:

47 games
550 minutes
7 goals
5 assists
12 points
1.31 points per 60
-3.36 relSA%
-16.33 relGF%



Should've added to that post that I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't like wild accusations thrown without some sort of merit!
Important to note that the 100 extra minutes on a kid coming out of college hockey with scheduling that is much more lenient is probably taking an even bigger toll on the kid

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01-25-2017, 01:17 PM
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Important to note that the 100 extra minutes on a kid coming out of college hockey with scheduling that is much more lenient is probably taking an even bigger toll on the kid
Oh okay, so let's do this then. Here's Hayes through 47 games...

All situations again to keep everyone happy:

47 games
572 minutes
7 goals
12 assists
19 points
1.99 points per 60

And Vesey again to remind everyone:
648 mins
11 goals
8 assists
19 points
1.76 points per 60

Should I find the point in the season where Hayes played 648 all situation minutes? Okay.

52 games played
649 minutes
10 goals
15 assists
25 points
2.31 points per 60

Any way you cook this, you're going to find that Hayes's rookie season is better than Vesey's. This doesn't really matter, though, because Hayes's rookie season was ****ing great.

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01-25-2017, 01:48 PM
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Surely. I opted for 5v5 because I was going to include shot attempt metrics as well.

Kevin Hayes:
494 mins
6 goals
10 assists (only one of them secondary, that's insane)
16 points
1.94 points per 60

Jimmy Vesey:
648 mins
11 goals
8 assists
19 points
1.76 points per 60

Which means Vesey got double the PP time (50 mins vs 100 mins) than Hayes did at this point in their rookie years, and Hayes still outpaced Vesey.

So, Hayes was better in the first half, and then exploded in the second half.

Unless Vesey goes off in the 2nd half of the season, which we have no objective reason to believe, especially because all I've been hearing about is 'rookie wall', then their rookie seasons shouldn't be compared.
Thank you sir for the stats. They seem pretty even up to this point (all ice time included). If Vesey can mustard up 15 points in the last 37 games or whatevet is left, then i would say they are pretty comparable. But yes, Hayes obviously will have had the better rookie year unless Vesey throws up 25 more points which is highly unlikely.

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5v5 play since Buch returned from injury, via Corsica hockey.

12 games
They are separated by 8 mins of ice time (Vesey 150 to PB 142, so I'll use raw #s in lieu of per 60).

Goals:
Both - 2

Assists:
Vesey - 0
PB - 5 (2 primary)

relSA%:
Vesey - -3.36%
PB - -1.13%

relxGF%
Vesey - -11.40%
PB - -2.06%

relGF%
Vesey - -35.98%
PB - -4.05%





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The 5 on 5 assist stat for Skjei is impressive

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5v5 play since Buch returned from injury, via Corsica hockey.

12 games
They are separated by 8 mins of ice time (Vesey 150 to PB 142, so I'll use raw #s in lieu of per 60).

Goals:
Both - 2

Assists:
Vesey - 0
PB - 5 (2 primary)

relSA%:
Vesey - -3.36%
PB - -1.13%

relxGF%
Vesey - -11.40%
PB - -2.06%

relGF%
Vesey - -35.98%
PB - -4.05%



Game Winning Goals

Vesey-1
Buch-0

Most important stat for me

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Game Winning Goals

Vesey-1
Buch-0

Most important stat for me
It's these reasonable and well thought out hot takes that bring me back to HF every day

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It's these reasonable and well thought out hot takes that bring me back to HF every day
you should try it once,makes life alot easier

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Game Winning Goals

Vesey-1
Buch-0

Most important stat for me
Lol, can't wait until Buch scores the fifth goal in a 5-0 blowout and then our defense lets in four.

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Game Winning Goals

Vesey-1
Buch-0

Most important stat for me
Wow that sure is a convincing argument.

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Game Winning Goals

Vesey-1
Buch-0

Most important stat for me
i hope this is sarcasm

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