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Joe Sakic - Record as Colorado Avalanche GM (Part II)

Joe Sakic promoted to Vice President of Hockey Operations on May 10th, 2013


Organizational Structure
  • Sakic will be in charge of all hockey operations.
  • They will make decisions as a group with Craig Billington, Greg Sherman, and Brad Smtih on the pro side, but Sakic will make the final decision.
  • Greg Sherman retains title of GM, and will handle the day to day duties.
  • PL steps down as President, and assumes role of Advisor.
  • Josh Kroenke assumes role as President. Sakic and Sherman will both report to him.
  • Roy added as VP. He will work with the hockey Ops group, and handle trade talks with GM's, and speak to free agents in the summer.
  • A new era has begun with the Avalanche leaving the old one a distant memory. This new era shall henceforth be referred to as After Pierre Lacroix (APL).

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Organizational Structure (current)


Management Group Titles
  • Josh Kroenke - President & Governor
  • Joe Sakic - Executive Vice President of Hockey Operations, General Manager, and Alternate Governor
  • Chris MacFarland - Assistant General Manager
  • Craig Billington - Assistant General Manager
  • Charlotte Grahame - Vice President of Hockey Administration

Pro Scouting Staff
  • Brad Smith - Director of Player Personnel
  • Garth Joy - Assistant Director of Player Personnel
  • Dan Laperriere - Pro Scout
  • Terry Martin - Pro Scout
  • Miro Zalesak - Pro Scout (Europe)

Amateur Scouting Staff
  • Alan Hepple - Director of Amateur Scouting - Based in Ontario Canada
  • Joni Lehto - Head, European Scouting - Europe - Based in Finland
  • Anders Carlsson - Scout - Europe - Based in Sweden - European Pro and Junior
  • Anton Edlund - Scout - Europe - Based in Sweden - European Pro and Junior
  • Jerome Mesonero - Scout - Quebec - QMJHL
  • Don Paarup - Scout - Western Canada - WHL, BCHL
  • Norm Robert - Scout - Ontario Canada - OHL
  • Neil Shea - Scout - Northeastern US - Based in Boston - NCAA, High School
  • John Funk - Scout - Midwestern US - Based in Minnesota - NCAA, High School
  • Lyle Wingert - Scout - Western Canada - WHL, BCHL
  • Wade Klippenstein - Scout - Western Canada - WHL, BCHL

Player Development Staff
  • David Oliver - Director of Player Development
  • Adam Foote - Development Consultant
  • Brett Clark - Development Consultant
  • Brian Willsie - Development Consultant

Coaching Staff
  • Jared Bednar - Head Coach
  • Nolan Pratt - Assistant Coach (Defense & PK)
  • Vacant - Assistant Coach (Forwards & PP)
  • Vacant - Assistant Coach
  • Vacant - Goaltending Coach
  • Brett Heimlich - Video Coordinator



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2013 NHL Draft


Picks
  • 1st Round (#1) - Nathan MacKinnon - C - Right - 6'0" 190 lbs - Halifax (QMJHL)
  • 2nd Round (#32) - Chris Bigras - D - Left - 6'1" 189 lbs - Owen Sound (OHL)
  • 3rd Round (#63) - Spencer Martin - G - 6'2" 198 lbs - Mississauga (OHL)
  • 4th Round (#93) - Mason Geertsen - D - Left - 6'3" 199 lbs - Vancouver (WHL)
  • 5th Round (#123) - Will Butcher - D - Left - 5'9" 175 lbs - US Nat Dev Team USHL
  • 6th Round (#153) - Ben Storm - D - Left - 6'6" 216 lbs - Muskegon (USHL)
  • 7th Round (#183) - Wilhelm Westlund - D - 6'0" 185 lbs - Farjestad Jr (SWE-Jr)


Notable Prospects (at the time) Left Onboard
  • 1st - Nathan MacKinnon over Sasha Barkov (2nd) Jonathan Drouin (3rd) and Seth Jones (4th)
  • 2nd - Chris Bigras over Adam Erne (33rd) Jacob De La Rose (34th) Zach Fucale (36th) Valentin Zychov (37)


Trades
  • None


Rumors
  • Florida offers Kulikov +#2 for #1 overall. Avs turn it down.
  • Avs ask for Huberdeau and Gudbranson for #1, and Florida keeps their #2. FLA turns it down.


Notes


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2013 Offseason


Organizational Structure
  • May 14th - Kirk McLean steps down as part time goalie coach.
  • May 23rd - Patrick Roy hired as Head Coach and Vice President of Hockey Operations.
  • May 29th - Hires André Tourigny as assistant coach, formerly head coach of the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies of the QMJHL.
  • June 4th - Hires Francois Allaire as part time goalie coach.
  • June 19th - Hires Adam Foote as part time D-Coach
  • June 24th - Tim Army will stay as second Assistant Coach
  • June 24th - Hires Mario Duhamel as Video Coach
  • June 24th - Promotes former VP of Player Development Craig Billington to Assistant General Manager


RFA, Pending UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • June 4th - Re-signs pending UFA Patrick Bordeleau to a three year, $3M contract. $1M cap hit.
  • June 26th - Re-signs pending UFA David Van Der Gulik to a one year (two way) $600k deal.
  • July 5th - Signs LW David Van Der Gulik (who briefly became a UFA) to a one year (two-way) $600k deal.
  • July 5th - Signs prospect C Colin Smith to a three year (two-way) ELC with a $628,333 cap hit.
  • July 9th - Signs prospect Nathan MacKinnon to a three year (two-way) ELC with a $3.775 M cap hit.
  • July 17th - Re-signs RFA Brad Malone to a one year (two-way) $735k deal.
  • July 18th - Re-signs Matt Duchene, who was set to be an RFA in one year, to a five year $30M deal, with a $6M cap hit.
  • Aug 15th - Re-signs Gabe Landeskog, who was set to be an RFA in one year, to a seven year, $39M deal, with a $5,571,429 cap hit.
  • Sep 17th - Signs prospect Chris Bigras to a three year ELC, with a $874,167 cap hit.


UFA Signings
  • July 5th - Signs D Andre Benoit to a one year (one-way) $900k deal.
  • July 5th - Signs D Nate Guenin to a one year (two-way) $600k deal.
  • July 5th - Signs RW Guillaume Desbiens to a one year (two-way) $600k deal.
  • July 5th - Signs RW J.T. Wyman to a one year (two-way) $750k deal.
  • July 6th - Signs D Nick Holden to a two year (two-way) deal with a $600k cap hit.


Trades
  • June 27th - Trades David Jones and Shane O'Brien to Calgary for Alex Tanguay and Cory Sarich


Buyouts
  • July 4th - Greg Zanon - Has one year remaining on contract at $2.25M. Buyout will be 2/3 the remaining amount, spread out over 2x the remaining years. Buyout cap hit will be $750k for two years.



UFA Departures
  • Milan Hejduk - Not offered contract/Retired
  • Chuck Kobasew - Invited to training camp tryout by Pittsburgh
  • Greg Zanon - Bought out with non-compliance buyout.
  • Aaron Palushaj - Rights not qualified
  • Thomas Vincour - Signed one year deal with Ak Bars Kazan of the KHL - Rights not qualified
  • Luke Walker - Signs with KHL - Rights not qualified


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2013-14 Season


Transactions
  • Sep 22nd - Claims C/W Marc-Andre Cliche from the LA Kings off waivers. Cliche has one year remaining on a one way deal with a $537,500 cap hit.
  • Sep 24th - Waives Mark Olver to send down to LEM
  • Sep 29th - Waives Guillaume Desbiens
  • Oct 31st - Trades pending UFA Steve Downie to Philadelphia for Max Talbot
  • Jan 7th - Re-signs pending UFA Nate Guenin to a two year $1.6M deal. $800k cap hit.
  • Jan 30th - Re-signs pending RFA Semyon Varlamov to a five year $29.5M deal. $5.9M cap hit.
  • Feb 27th - Re-signs pending UFA Marc-Andre Cliche to a two year (one-way) $1.4M deal. $700k cap hit.
  • Mar 5th - Signs undrafted defenseman Cody Corbett out of the WHL to a three year ELC. Two way deal with a $616,667 cap hit.
  • Mar 5th - Trades 2014 2nd round pick to Calgary for pending UFA G Reto Berra
  • Mar 13th - Re-signs newly acquired, pending UFA Reto Berra to a three year $4.35M deal, with a $1.45M cap hit.
  • Mar 14th - Re-signs pending UFA John Mitchell to a three year $5.4M deal, with a $1.8M cap hit.
  • Apr 2nd - Trades Cameron Gaunce to Dallas for Thomas Vincour

Suspensions and Fines

Rumors
  • Oct - Avs and Philly rumored to have been working on a "larger deal" but then settled on 1 for 1 with Downie and Talbot.
  • Dec - Elliotte Friedman reports Kulikov was scratched because FLA had a deal but it fell apart. Mentions he can't place the other team, but there were definitely talks with Colorado, so there's some suspicion it was them. This was right around the time Avs learned Tanguay would be out all year, so possibly couldn't trade PAP/McGinn. Dale Tallon later denies this saying they scratched Kulikov because of his play to give him a refresher.
  • Jan - Avs offered PA Parenteau to Montreal for Rene Bourque and prospect Sven Andrighetto but Marc Bergevin turned it down.
  • Mar - Colorado one of teams that inquired into Christian Ehrhoff when he became available at the deadline.



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2014 NHL Draft


Picks
  • 1st Round (#23) - Conner Bleackley - RC - 6'0" 192 lbs - Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
  • 3rd Round (#84) - Kyle Wood - RD - 6'5" 229 lbs - North Bay Battalion (OHL)
  • 4th Round (#93) - Nicholas Maygar - RW - 6'1" 194 lbs - Kitchener Rangers (OHL)
  • 4th Round (#114) - Alexis Pepin - LW - 6'2" 218 lbs - Gatineau Olympiques (QMJHL)
  • 5th Round (#144) - Anton Lindholm - LD - 6'0 191 lbs - Skelleftea (SWE JR)
  • 6th Round (#174) - Maximilian Pajpach - G - 6'1" 207 lbs - Slovakia (U18)
  • 7th Round (#204) - Julien Nantel - C/LW - 6'0" 193 lbs - Rouyn-Noranda Huskies (QMJHL)


Notable Prospects (at the time) Left Onboard
  • 1st - Conner Bleackley over Nikita Scherbak, Roland McKeown, Adrian Kempe, Ivan Barbashev, and Brenden Lemieux.
  • 3rd - Kyle Wood over Anton Karlsson


Trades
  • None


Rumors
  • Avs offered PA Parenteau and a "high pick" (1st they didn't have a 2nd?) for James Neal but were turned down.
  • Tim Murray (BUF GM) says they tried to get another 1st, and could have moved up two spots, but decided not to. Two spots would have been the Kings pick at #29, who were seen talking to Joe Sakic right before their pick. Brenden Lemieux, Ivan Barbashev, and Roland McKeown were still on board.
  • Preds draft video shows Poille (Preds GM) saying Rutherford (Pens GM) told him he could get #23 (Avs 1st) to add to his #22 in a deal for Neal. Avs deal wouldn't have been for Neal since that's the deal the Preds and Pens were working on.


Notes


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2014 Offseason


Organizational Structure
  • Hires Jérôme Mésonéro as amateur scout. Previously GM of the Victoriaville Tigres in the QMJHL.
  • Hires amateur scout Norm Robert.
  • Became affiliates with the Fort Wayne Komets of the ECHL
  • Joe Sakic's title changes to General Manager and Executive Vce President of Hockey Operations
  • Greg Sherman's title changes from General Manager to Assistant General Manager, along with Craig Billington.
  • Rick Pracey is let go from organization as Director of Amateur Scouting late in the offseason/early in regular season. Hard to know the timing.


RFA, Pending UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • May 29th - Signs prospect Troy Bourke to a three year ELC. Two way deal with a $60k AHL salary, and a $631,667 cap hit.
  • July 1st - Re-signs Nick Holden (pending UFA in one year) to a three year $4.95M deal. One way deal with a $1.65M cap hit.
  • July 16th - Re-signs Karl Stollery to his one year qualifying offer of $605k. Two way deal with a $100k AHL salary, and $605k cap hit
  • July 16th - Re-signs Stefan Elliott to his one year qualifying offer of $850,500. Two way deal with a $67,500 AHL salary, and $850,500 cap hit.
  • July 16th - Re-signs Paul Carey to his one year qualifying offer of $715k. Two way deal with a $65k AHL salary, and $715k cap hit.
  • July 19th - Re-signs Joey Hishon to his one year qualifying offer of $850k. Two way deal with an $850k cap hit, and $850k cap hit.
  • July 23rd - Re-signs RFA Ryan O'Reilly to a two year $12M deal. Avoided team elected arbitration on day of hearing. One way with a $6M cap hit.


UFA Signings
  • April 16th - Signs undrafted 22 year old UFA prospect Dennis Everberg to a two year ELC, out of Rogle BK in Sweden's 2nd tier league. Two way with a $60k AHL salary, and $612,500 cap hit. Part time Avs scout Anders Carlsson is Rogle's GM.
  • April 28th - Signs undrafted 20 year old UFA prospect Samuel Henley to a three year ELC, out of Val d'Or in the QMJHL. Two way deal with a $55-60k AHL salary, and a $586,667 cap hit.
  • May 15th - Signs undrafted 22 year old goalie Roman Will, out of Czech league to a two year ELC. Had previously played one season for Moncton in the Q. Two way deal with a $50-55k AHL salary, and a $572,500 cap hit.
  • May 20th - Signs undrafted 22 year old Borna Rendulic out of HPK in Finland to a two year ELC. Two way deal with a $60k AHL salary, and a $622,500 cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs Jesse Winchester to a two year $1.8M deal. One way deal with a $900k cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs Bruno Gervais to a one year $650k deal. Two way deal with a $200k AHL salary, and $650k cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs Jarome Iginla to a three year $16M deal. One way deal with a $5.333M cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs Zach Redmond to a two year $1.5M deal. One way deal with a $750k cap hit.
  • July 1st - Signs Ben Street to a two year $1.3M deal. Two way deal with a $250k AHL salary, and $650k cap hit.
  • July 7th - Signs Maxim Noreau to a two year $1.25M deal. One way deal with a $625k cap hit.
  • Aug 29th - Signs former Av prospect Thomas Vincour to a one year $600k deal. Two way with a $125k AHL salary, and $600k cap hit.


Trades
  • June 30th - Trades PA Parenteau (with two years left at $4M) and a 5th round pick in 2015, to Montreal for Danny Briere (one year left at $4M).
  • July 1st - Trades 2016 2nd round pick and 2017 6th rounder to San Jose for Brad Stuart.


Rumors
  • UFA interest in D men Brooks Orpik, Anton Stralman, Matt Niskanen, and Christian Ehrhoff.
  • Sakic confirms offers to Orpik and Stralman.
    http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2014...ey-talk/18791/
  • Orpik confirms on radio that Avs offer was same as Washington - 5 years, $5.5M AAV



UFA Departures
  • Michael Clarke - Rights not qualified
  • Joesph Blandisi - Rights not qualified
  • Kent Patterson - Rights not qualified
  • Kieran Millan - Rights not qualified
  • Mark Olver - Rights not qualified
  • Brad Malone - Group 6 UFA after not playing enough NHL games - Signs two year $1.3M deal with Carolina. One way at $650k per.
  • Paul Stastny - Group 3 UFA - Signs four year $28M deal. One way at $7M per.
  • Andre Benoit - Signs one year deal with Buffalo. One way with $800k cap hit.
  • Cory Sarich - Retired



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2014-15 Season


Transactions
  • Sep 29th - Re-signs Brad Stuart to a two year, $7.2M deal. One way with the same $3.6M cap hit.
  • Sep 29th - Re-signs Cody McLeod to a three year, $4M deal. One way with a $1,333,333 cap hit.
  • Mar 2nd - Trades D Karl Stollery to San Jose for C Freddie Hamilton.
  • Mar 2nd - Trades C Michael Sgarbossa to Anaheim for D D Mat Clark.
  • Mar 2nd - Trades Max Talbot with 50% salary withheld ($875k one year remaining) and Paul Carey to Boston for Jordan Caron and a 2016 6th rounder.
    Mar 24 - Signs Mason Geertsen to a three year ELC.

Suspensions and Fines
  • Mar 3rd - Cody McLeod fined $3,091.40 for " entering the game on a legal line change for the purpose of starting an altercation with 8.1 seconds remaining in regulation."
  • Mar 3rd - Gabriel Landeskog fined $5,000 for throwing a punch at Mikko Koivu from the bench.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV4tpF60vvA

Rumors
  • Multiple rumors of interest in Tyler Myers
  • Perennial rumors of interest in Keith Yandle
  • Multiple rumors of interest in pending UFA Antoinne Vermette
  • One rumor of interest in Cam Atkinson
  • Adrian Dater said the Avs were "highly interested in (Zach) Bogosian" after he was traded to Buffalo.



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2015 NHL Draft


Picks
  • 1st Round (#10) - Mikko Rantanen - RW - Left - 6'4" 212 lbs - TPS (Finland)
  • 2nd Round (#39) - A.J. Greer - LW - Left - 6'2" 205 lbs - Boston University (NCAA)
  • 2nd Round (#40) - Nicolas Meloche - D - Right - 6'3" 205 lbs - Baie-Comeau (QMJHL)
  • 3rd Round (#71) - Jean-Christophe Beaudin - C - Right - 6'1" 181 lbs - Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
  • 4th Round (#101) - Andrei Mironov - D - Left - 6'2" 194 lbs - Dynamo (KHL)
  • 6th Round (#161) - Sergei Boikov - D - Left - 6'2" 195 lbs - Drummondville (QMJHL)
  • 7th Round (#191) - Gustav Olhaver - C - Left - 6'6" 214 lbs - Rögle (SEL)


http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1916467
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1917511


Notable Prospects (at the time) Left Onboard
  • 1st - Mikko Rantanen (10) over Lawson Crouse (11), Mathew Barzal (16), and Kyle Conner (17).
  • 2nd - AJ Greer (39) and Nicolas Meloche (40) over Jeremy Roy (31 - Avs traded pick), Daniel Sprong (46) , Jansen Harkins (47), Rasmus Andersson (53), and Oliver Kylington (60).
  • 3rd - Jean-Christophe Beaudin (71) over Alexander Dergachyov (74).


Picks Traded
  • Traded 2015 2nd (#31) to SJ for their 2015 2nd (#39) and the Avs original 2016 2nd and 2017 6th previously dealt in Brad Stuart trade.




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2015 Offseason


Organizational Structure
  • AHL affiliate moves from Lake Erie Monsters to San Antonio Rampage.
  • Former Columbus assistant GM Chris MacFarland hired as Avs assistant GM. Will be Sakic's "right hand man" and focus on pro scouting.
  • Andre Tourigny leaves position as assistant coach.
  • Mario Duhamel leaves position as video coach.
  • Hires Dave Farrish as Assistant Coach.
  • Hires Brett Heimlich as Video Coach.
  • Brett Clark added as Development Consultant.
  • Brian Willsie added as Development Consultant.
  • Adam Foote's official title changed from Defensive Development Consultant to Development Consultant.


RFA, Pending UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • June 26th - Signs newly acquired pending UFA Carl Soderberg to a five year deal with a $4.75 M cap hit. Includes full no trade clause in first two years, and limited no trade in the final three years of the deal. (Day of Draft)
  • July 13th - Signs 1st round pick Mikko Rantanen to a three year ELC. Two way with a $925k NHL salary and $1,658,333 AAV after bonuses.
  • July 16th - Signs newly acquired RFA Mikhail Grigorenko to a one year, one-way $675k deal.
  • July 16th - Signs RFA Andrew Agozzino (who had filed for arbitration) to a one year, two-way $600k deal. $150k in the AHL.
  • July 16th - Signs RFA Mat Clark (who had filed for arbitration) to a two year, two-way $600k deal. $125k/$175k in the AHL.
  • July 27th - Signs RFA Joey Hishon to a one year, two way $890k deal. $70k in the AHL.
  • Aug 6th - Signs RFA Calvin Pickard to his QO. One year, two way $850k deal.
  • Sep 22nd - Signs UFA to be (next summer) Eric Johnson to a seven year deal with a $6M AAV.


UFA Signings
  • May 15th - Signs Andreas Martinsen from the German Liga to a one year ELC at $742,500. Will be RFA after.
  • July 1st - Signs Francois Beauchemin to a three year deal with a $4.5M AAV. Includes no move clause.
  • July 1st - Signs Blake Comeau to a three year deal with a $2.4M AAV.
  • Oct 6th - Signs Jack Skille (previously on PTO) to a two way deal. One year $675k with $250k guaranteed salary.


Trades
  • June 25th - Trades 2016 6th round pick (previously acquired from Boston in Talbot trade) back to Boston for pending UFA Carl Soderberg. (Day prior to Draft)
  • June 27th (Draft) - Trades Ryan O'Reilly and Jamie McGinn (both UFA's in one year) to Buffalo for Nikita Zadorov, Mikhail Grigorenko, JT Compher and Buffalo's 2nd round pick (31st overall) in 2015.
  • Sep 9th - Trades unsigned RFA Stefan Elliott to Arizona for Brandon Gormley. Both players are waiver eligible entering the season.
  • Oct 4th - Trades Freddie Hamilton to Calgary for a conditional 7th round pick in 2016.


Tryouts
  • Signs Jack Skille to PTO (signed)
  • Signs Andrei Meszaros to PTO (released)
  • Signs Curtis Glencross to PTO (released)


Rumors
  • Agent for Alex Radulov says Patrick Roy contacted Alex about coming to the Avs.
  • Rumors of Sakic and Roy talking to Radulov and investigating his KHL contract.
  • Alex Radulov says he would like to return to NHL in one year after his KHL contract expires.
  • Radulov admits he spoke with Patrick Roy on the phone.
  • Ryan O'Reilly rumored to have asked for $8M x 8 year contract prior to being traded.
    https://twitter.com/MikeChambers/sta...19786509619200
  • Rumored UFA interest in D men Andrei Sekera, Johnny Oduya, and Cody Franson.
  • Sekera confirmed he considered offers from Avs and Sharks.


UFA Departures
  • Jordan Caron - Rights not qualified.
  • Jan Hejda - PTO with Chicago (not picked up)
  • Daniel Briere - Retired
  • Ryan Wilson - Signs with Ak Bars Kazan of KHL

Additional Notes


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2015-16 Season


Transactions
  • Nov 15th - Claims center Chris Wagner off waivers from Anaheim.
  • Jan 5th - Claims defenseman Andrew Bodnarchuk off waivers from Columbus. (Puts them at 50 contracts limit)
  • Jan 7th - Waives defenseman Brandon Gormley (clears)
  • Jan 13th - Waives defenseman Nate Guenin (clears)
  • Feb 21st - Trades Colin Smith and 2016 4th round pick to Toronto for pending UFA Shawn Matthias
  • Feb 24th - Waives center Chris Wagner (re-calimed by Anaheim)
  • Feb 28th - Waives goaltender Reto Berra
  • Feb 29th - Trades pending UFA Alex Tanguay, and prospects Conner Bleackley and Kyle Wood to Arizona for pending UFA Mikael Boedker
  • Feb 29th - Trades 2017 3rd round pick to New Jersey for Eric Gelinas
  • Feb 29th - Trades Marc Andre Cliche to New York Islanders for Taylor Beck

RFA, Pending UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • Mar 8th - Signs prospect Julien Nantel to three year ELC.

Suspensions and Fines

Rumors


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2016 NHL Draft


Picks
  • 1st Round (#10) - Tyson Jost - C - Left - 5'11" 190 lbs - Penticton Vees (BCHL)
  • 2nd Round (#40)- Cameron Morrison - LW - Left - 6'2" 209 lbs - Youngstown Phantoms (USHL)
  • 3rd Round (#71) - Josh Anderson - D - Left - 6'2" 228 lbs - Prince George Cougars (WHL)
  • 5th Round (#131) - Adam Werner - G - Left - 6'5" 198 lbs - Farejestad (SEL Jr.)
  • 6th Round (#161) - Nathan Clurman - D - Right - 6'2" 190 lbs - Culver Military Academy Prep (USHS)
  • 7th Round (#191) - Travis Barron - LW - Left - 6'1" 195 lbs - Ottawa 67's (OHL)



Notable Prospects (at the time) Left Onboard
  • 1st - Tyson Jost C (#10) over Logan Brown C (#11) Michael McLeod C (#12) Jake Bean D (#13) Charles McAvoy D (#14) Jakob Chychrun D (#16)
  • 2nd - Cameron Morrison F (#40) over Nathan Bastian RW ((#41) Janne Kuokkanen F (#43) Chad Krys D ((#45) Kale Clague (D) (#51) Markus Niemelainen D (#63)
  • 3rd - Josh Anderson D (#71) over Frederic Allard D (#78) Luke Green D (#79) Sean Day D (#81)


Picks Traded
  • None

Additional Notes



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2016 Offseason


Organizational Structure
  • Fires Dean Chynoweth as Head Coach of San Antonio in the AHL
  • Parts ways with VP Greg Sherman
  • Parts ways with Amateur Scout Rick Lanz
  • Hires Amateur Scout John Funk
  • Hires Amateur Scout Lyle Wingert
  • Hires European Pro Scout Miro Zalesak (KHL, Sweden, Finland and Czech Republic)
  • Hires Éric Veilleux from the QMJHL as Head Coach of San Antonio in the AHL
  • Hires Nolan Pratt as Assistant Coach in Colorado
  • Hires Wade Klippenstein as Amateur Scout. Previously Head Scout with Brandon in WHL.
  • Patrick Roy parts ways with Avalanche as Head Coach and VP of Hockey Ops.
  • Hires Jared Bednar as Avalanche Head Coach. Previously with Lake Erie in AHL.
  • Hires Arik Parnass as Full Time "Hockey Analyst."



RFA, Pending UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • Apr 25th - Signs prospect JT Compher (had one year remaining in college) to a three year ELC. $925k base salary and $1M AAV after performance bonuses.
  • May 24th - Signs prospect Anton Lindholm to a three year ELC. $717,500 base cap hit, and $925k AAV after performance bonuses.
  • May 27th - Signs prospect Sergei Boikov to a three year ELC. $681,667 AAV and cap hit. No performance bonuses.
  • Jun 24th - Re-signs RFA Andreas Martinsen to a one year, one way $640k deal.
  • Jul 1st - Signs prospect A.J. Greer to a three year, two way ELC. $92,500 signing bonus each year, no performance bonuses. $925k AAV and cap hit.
  • Jul 5th - Signs RFA Calvin Pickard to a two year, one way deal. $925k the first year, and $1.075M the second. $1.0M AAV and cap hit.
  • Jul 8th - Signs RFA Nathan MacKinnon to a seven year deal. Modified NTC (19 teams) starting 2020-21. $6.3M AAV and cap hit.
  • Jul 15th - Signs RFA Duncan Siemens to his Qualifying Offer. One year, two way deal. $70k in AHL. $874,125 in NHL.
  • Jul 20th - Signs RFA Mikhail Grigorenko to a one year, one way deal. $1.3M salary and cap hit. (Two days prior to arbitration)
  • Jul 31st - Signs RFA Tyson Barrie to a four year deal. $5.5M AAV and cap hit. (Following arbitration hearing and just after 48 hour ruling deadline passed)


UFA Signings - One Way
  • Jul 1st - Signs Patrick Wiercioch to a one year, one way $800k deal.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Joe Colborne to a two year deal. One way with a $2.5M AAV.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Fedor Tyutin to a one year, one way $2M deal.
  • Oct 10th - Signs Gabriel Bourque to a one year, two way deal. $800k in NHL, and $200k in AHL, with $800k AAV.
  • Oct 10th - Signs Rene Bourque to a one year deal. One way deal with a $650k AAV.



UFA Signings - Two Way
  • Jul 1st - Signs Reid Petryk to a two-year deal. $925k AAV and salary in NHL w/$92,500 signing bonus each year. $70k AHL each year.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Trent Vogelhuber to a two-year deal. $612.5k NHL AAV. $575k/$125k year 1 and $650k/$150k year 2 in NHL/AHL.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Joe Whitney to a one-year deal. $600k NHL and $325k AHL.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Mike Sislo to a one-year deal. $600k NHL and $300k AHL.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Ryan Stanton to a one-year deal. $575k NHL and $250k AHL.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Jeremy Smith to a one-year deal. $600k NHL and $200k AHL.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Jim O'Brien to a one-year deal. $600k NHL and $285k AHL.
  • Jul 1st - Signs Turner Elson to a one-year deal. $575k NHL and $100k AHL.
  • Aug 16th - Signs Ben Smith to a one-year deal. $675k NHL and $150k AHL.




Trades
  • June 23rd - Trades Reto Berro to Florida for Rocco Grimaldi. (Day prior to Draft)
  • June 25th - Trades Nick Holden to NYR for their 2017 4th round pick. (Second day of Draft)



Buyouts
  • Jun 27th - Brad Stuart - Has one year remaining on contract. Since he was 35+ when he signed his contract, his buyout cap hit will be the full $3.6M, but only be for the duration of his deal, instead of 2/3 the remaining salary spread out 2x the length.


Tryouts
  • Invites 19 year old Shawn Ouellette-St-Amant from Val-d'Or in the QMJHL (After being passed over in draft)
  • Invites 19 year old Jeffrey Truchon-Viel from Acadie-Bathurst in the QMJHL (After being passed over in draft)
  • Invites 20 year old goalie Chase Marchand from Rouyn-Noranda in the QMJHL (After being passed over in draft)
  • Invites 18 year old (soon to be 19) Brogan O'Brien from Prince George of the WHL.
  • Invites 21 year old Jackson Houck from Calgary of the WHL.
  • Invites 20 year old Filip Karlsson from Rogle of the SHL.
  • Invites 18 year old Griffin Luce from the USHL/USDP.
  • Invites Rene Bourque with PTO.
  • Invites Gabriel Bourque with PTO.
  • Invites Jiri Tlusty with PTO. (Did not pass physical)


Rumors


UFA Departures
  • Mikkel Boedker - Signs with San Jose - 4 years at $4M per.
  • Shawn Matthias - Signs with Winnipeg - 2 years at $2.125M per.
  • Zach Redmond - Signed with Montreal - 2 years at $612.5k per.
  • Dennis Everberg - Signs with Växjö Lakers HC of the SHL (didn't want to re-sign)
  • Borna Rendulic - Signs with Vancouver (didn't want to re-sign)
  • Ben Street - Signs with Detroit.
  • Maxim Noreau - Signs with SC Bern of the Swiss League
  • Brandon Gormley - Signs with New Jersey - 1 year, two way $650k deal. (Rights not qualified)
  • Gabriel Beaupre - Rights not qualified. Signs ECHL deal with Ft Wayne.
  • Trevor Cheek - Rights not qualified. Signs ECHL deal with Ft Wayne.
  • Garret Meurs - Rights not qualified. Signs ECHL deal with Wheeling.
  • Roman Will - Rights not qualified. Signs with Bili Tygri Liberec in the Czech league.

Additional Notes
  • Tyson Barrie and Mikhail Grigorenko file for Salary Arbitration
  • Bednar says Pratt will run the D and PK, while Farrish will be in more of a support role.
  • Prior to Arik Parnass, Avs only used analytics guys part time.
  • Waives Duncan Siemens (clears) at the end of pre-season.



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2016-17 Season


Trades
  • Nov 28th - Trades Ryan Stanton to Columbus for Cody Goloubef.
  • Jan 13th - Trades Cody McLeod (40% retained) to Nashville for Felix Girard.
  • Mar 1st - Trades Joe Whitney to Arizona for Brendan Ranford.
  • Mar 1st - Trades Cody Corbett to Washington for Joe Cannata.
  • Mar 1st - Trades Jarome Iginla to LA for a Conditional 4th round pick in 2018. Conditional upon LA making the playoffs AND re-signing Iginla.
  • Mar 1st - Trades Andreas Martinsen to Montreal for Sven Andrighetto.


RFA, Pending UFA, and Prospect Signings
  • Mar 6th - Signs JC Beaudin to a three three year ELC with a $683k cap hit. $245k signing bonus.
  • Mar 6th - Sign Nicholas Meloche to a three year ELC with a $761k cap hit. $277k signing bonus.

Waivers (notable)
  • Oct 10th - Waives Gabriel Bourque after signing him to two way deal (clears)
  • Oct 23rd - Waives Ben Smith (claimed by TOR)
  • Nov 4th - Waives John Mitchell (clears)
  • Dec 1st - Waives Eric Gelinas (clears)
  • Jan 5th - Claims Matt Nieto from San Jose
  • Feb 2nd - Claims Mark Barberio from Montreal
  • Feb 2nd - Waives Eric Gelinas a 2nd time (clears)

Suspensions and Fines
  • None

Rumors




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2017 NHL Draft


Picks
  • 1st Round (#4) - Cale Makar - D - Right - 5' 11.25" 187 lbs - Brooks Bandits (AJHL)
  • 2nd Round (#32) - Conor Timmins - D - Right - 6' 1.5" 184 lbs - Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
  • 4th Round (#94) - Nick Henry - RW - Right - 5'11" 190 lbs - Regina (WHL)
  • 4th Round (#114) - Peter Kvaca - G - Left - 6'1" 174 lbs - České Budějovice (Czech2)
  • 5th Round (#125) - Igor Shvyryov - C - Left - 6'0" 205 lbs - Metallurg (KHL)
  • 6th Round (#156) - Dennis Smirnov - LW - Left - 5'10" 185 lbs - Penn State (NCAA)
  • 7th Round (#187) - Nicky Leivermann - D - Left - 5'10" 194 lbs - Eden Prairie (USHS)



Notable Prospects (at the time) Left Onboard
  • 1st Round - Elias Petterson (#5) Cody Glass (#6) Casey Mittelstadt (#8) Owen Tippett (#10) Gave Vilardi (#11) Martin Necas (#12) Nick Suzuki (#13)
  • 2nd Round - Kole Lind (#33) Nic Hague (#34) Issac Ratcliffe (#35) Jason Robertson (#39)
  • 3rd Round - Michael DiPietro (#64) went one pick after Avs 3rd rounder that went to NJ in Gelinas trade.


Picks Traded
  • None

Additional Notes
  • Alan Hepple on Heiskanen. “Offensive has been one of the discussions this week, does he have offense, and things like that, so that’s been a bit of a discussion."
    https://www.nhl.com/avalanche/video/...098/c-52178303
  • Alan Hepple compares Heiskanan vs Makar. “They’re a bit of different player, came from different backgrounds a little bit. Cale Makar played Alberta junior level this year and Heiskanen played with the men, pro. He didn’t get the points, he didn’t get the offensive numbers that we thought he would but very good skater, very good puck mover. Cale Makar, probably a little lesser league but again great skater, put up great numbers and a very good puck mover."
    http://avalanche.nhl.com/v2/ext/podc...rence-call.mp3
  • Alan Hepple implies they may not take Jake Oettenger who's slotted to go in the late 1st to early 2nd when he says "we're always looking for goalies as far as when do you take them, are they in the right spot. European goalies seem to be the big thing now because you get a little more development time. If there's one there, if there's one available at the right time, just like last year like we did with Adam Werner (5th rd) right time in the draft, then we'll do it.
    http://avalanche.nhl.com/v2/ext/podc...rence-call.mp3
  • Adrian Dater says, "Talking more with hockey people tonight: Avs are praying Makar is available at No. 4."
    https://twitter.com/adater/status/87...-cale-makar%2F



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2017 Offseason


Organizational Structure
  • May 23rd - Parts ways with Tim Army
  • May 23rd - Parts ways with Dave Farrish
  • May 23rd - Parts ways with Francois Allaire




RFA, Pending UFA, and Prospect Signings



UFA Signings - One Way




UFA Signings - Two Way




Trades




Buyouts
  • Jun 15th - Francois Beauchemin - Allows Avs to protect 7F 3D in expansion draft instead of 8 skaters option. Has one year remaining on contract. Since he was 35+ when he signed his contract, his buyout cap hit will be the full $4.5M, but only be for the duration of his deal, instead of 2/3 the remaining salary spread out 2x the length.


Tryouts



Rumors
  • Michael Russo reports Dwayne Roloson met with Joe Sakic about goaltending coach position.
  • Elliotte Friedman reports the Avs received permission to speak with Kyle Dubas.
  • BSN reports Warren Rychel "had discussions with the Avs about joining the front office in an undetermined role."


UFA Departures


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I realize I may have ruined it for everyone else but are we discussing the current front office's performance in this thread? I know we don't want this to turn into a shouting match but I think we could have some constructive criticism/praise/analysis of the current situation in here that doesn't necessarily pertain to player personnel.

My initial thoughts...should the Avs be taking a good long look at Craig Billington? He has largely escaped criticism, and maybe that's fair since he wasn't getting very good draft stock to develop, and the organization as a whole has taken a VERY long time to build an actual pipeline through their minor-league affiliates. But...if the guy is in charge of player development, doesn't some of this fall on his shoulders as well? I'm not by any means campaigning for his firing, just wondering why during several regime changes and outright failures that he has risen in the ranks, despite there not being much evidence of his being successful.

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I think that's a fair criticism. It's hard to tell as an outsider how much can be attributed to Biller though. He seems to care a lot, he's smart, and invested.

My guess is they weren't as hands on as they should have been development wise in the past, but that might have started to change the last couple years, as they've added more development guys (at least publicly) like Brett Clark and Brian Willsie who have flown in and spent time with the prospects.

It's possible it was a monetary and budget issue though. I think one of the best things Roy and Sakic did was emphasize the importance of less talked about roles within the organization. Amateur scouting in Europe. Scouting in CHL leagues outside the OHL. Development specialists. The state of the AHL team. Pro scouting in Europe to bring in free agents. I think a lot of this came from Roy's experience in running his Remparts, and knowing the important roles within.

I don't think they liked spending much money on these things in the past, but ownership kind of considered Sakic and Roy as an investment marketing wise, and Roy had to pull a lot of weight in this area. In return they got to spend more internally than they would have normally.

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I think that's a fair criticism. It's hard to tell as an outsider how much can be attributed to Biller though. He seems to care a lot, he's smart, and invested.

My guess is they weren't as hands on as they should have been development wise in the past, but that might have started to change the last couple years, as they've added more development guys (at least publicly) like Brett Clark and Brian Willsie who have flown in and spent time with the prospects.

It's possible it was a monetary and budget issue though. I think one of the best things Roy and Sakic did was emphasize the importance of less talked about roles within the organization. Amateur scouting in Europe. Scouting in CHL leagues outside the OHL. Development specialists. The state of the AHL team. Pro scouting in Europe to bring in free agents. I think a lot of this came from Roy's experience in running his Remparts, and knowing the important roles within.

I don't think they liked spending much money on these things in the past, but ownership kind of considered Sakic and Roy as an investment marketing wise, and Roy had to pull a lot of weight in this area. In return they got to spend more internally than they would have normally.
I can't really argue anything there. If the legacy of Sakic and Roy ends up being the fact that the organization finally put real money/effort toward the development of legit NHLers when before it was an afterthought, then it was more than worth bringing them aboard.

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Development seems to be getting better but it's really tough to say who is responsible for it. MacFarland held the same position as Billington, which is the FO exec who is the GM of the AHL, so I'd wager some of the improvements came from him but who knows. Billington has been around since 2001, I think it's just time to freshen up the FO. I've also heard he's not very personable and he did not come off well any time he visited SA or LE. Of course that doesn't matter as much if he does a great job but we aren't sure about that. I would like MacFarland to take the reins in the development department or put someone in charge that he chooses. Like I said, I'm not going to pin all the failures on Billington but he's also never shown any reason to continue on with him in charge either.

The on ice development camp was a huge step and even a scrimmage this last year! Also, the rookie tournament was getting with modern times. I don't mind the more carmraderie and team building focus they seem to have rather than bringing in 20 invites but they are players and they want to get on the ice and compete a bit so I think it's definitely a step in the right direction. I was reading back from like 2011 and they didn't even have a rookie training camp! It's baby steps in the right direction but there's no reason why it has to be baby steps either. Development is important right now. They also held on to Chynoweth way too long, not sure why that had to happen.


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Something has to change with pro scouting. Either the scouts are bad or the front office are bad at listening. You can't sign players hoping they'll be much more than they ever been. It's rarely the case.

At least this summer's signings were shorter even though two years and $4.5M to Colborne is kinda brutal.

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Development seems to be getting better but it's really tough to say who is responsible for it. MacFarland held the same position as Billington, which is the FO exec who is the GM of the AHL, so I'd wager some of the improvements came from him but who knows. Billington has been around since 2001, I think it's just time to freshen up the FO. I've also heard he's not very personable and he did not come off well any time he visited SA or LE. Of course that doesn't matter as much if he does a great job but we aren't sure about that. I would like MacFarland to take the reins in the development department or put someone in charge that he chooses. Like I said, I'm not going to pin all the failures on Billington but he's also never shown any reason to continue on with him in charge either.

The on ice development camp was a huge step and even a scrimmage this last year! Also, the rookie tournament was getting with modern times. I don't mind the more carmraderie and team building focus they seem to have rather than bringing in 20 invites but they are players and they want to get on the ice and compete a bit so I think it's definitely a step in the right direction. I was reading back from like 2011 and they didn't even have a rookie training camp! It's baby steps in the right direction but there's no reason why it has to be baby steps either. Development is important right now. They also held on to Chynoweth way too long, not sure why that had to happen.
I feel like Sakic and Roy waited on Chynoweth because they wanted to give him a legit shot, and felt he hadn't had one to that point. Once they had seen enough, they swung the axe. That's speculation on my part though.

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Something has to change with pro scouting. Either the scouts are bad or the front office are bad at listening. You can't sign players hoping they'll be much more than they ever been. It's rarely the case.

At least this summer's signings were shorter even though two years and $4.5M to Colborne is kinda brutal.
Whoever looked at Brad Stuart and said that guy was still NHL material better be sucked out the nearest airlock and then some. At least it appears that they really are utilizing analytics as those definitely influenced one of their offseason moves (Wiercioch). But yeah, the Colborne move is looking really, really bad right now. I think it will look better once they jettison Grigorenko. The two of them on the same roster is redundant--they are almost the exact same type of player.

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Yeah, overhauling pro scouting would be my number one priority. That has been abysmal, they've taken way too many swing-for-the-fences gambles on has-beens and never-weres and we are paying the price now. Analytics is only part of the solution, they need guys who can use their eyes and brains to find both a good player and a good fit for the team.

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I think pro scouting is an issue, but to me I think it's more an issue of direction from above. Look at the kind of players they're adding that are failing. Most of them are cheapish stop gaps. Especially on the blueline.

A big part of it is half assed attempts to improve the roster.

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A big part of it is half assed attempts to improve the roster.
IMO this is a bigger issue than the pro scouting. The pro scouts have found some useful players that have played roles here. Have they been perfect? No, but they'd look a lot better if Sakic had been more aggressive.

The mistake with Colborne is more about him being in the doghouse and Bednar not giving him a real shot than it is on the pro scouts. Colborne has a bit of a NHL history and has shown he can put up points in a role... he is just a player that you need to live with his deficiencies to get value out of him.

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The trouble with JC is that he is what we already have in spades and a poor fit with the team. I've been talking about that for a while, but the team looks like someone pulled random names from a hat. Built without a plan and direction.

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The trouble with JC is that he is what we already have in spades and a poor fit with the team. I've been talking about that for a while, but the team looks like someone pulled random names from a hat. Built without a plan and direction.
I think it looks that way because the Avs FO is afraid to make the bigger moves to get the players they really want, but yeah, they have too many half measures that have similar problems.

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Something has to change with pro scouting. Either the scouts are bad or the front office are bad at listening. You can't sign players hoping they'll be much more than they ever been. It's rarely the case.

At least this summer's signings were shorter even though two years and $4.5M to Colborne is kinda brutal.
It's a problem. But it's also a problem that ameture scouting still can't seem to find us any NHL players beyond the 2nd round to fill out the bottom lines. When a team is forced to fill out those lines with free agents, this is what tends to happen.

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IMO this is a bigger issue than the pro scouting. The pro scouts have found some useful players that have played roles here. Have they been perfect? No, but they'd look a lot better if Sakic had been more aggressive.

The mistake with Colborne is more about him being in the doghouse and Bednar not giving him a real shot than it is on the pro scouts. Colborne has a bit of a NHL history and has shown he can put up points in a role... he is just a player that you need to live with his deficiencies to get value out of him.
I'm not sure I agree on Colborne, but I do agree on Sakic not being aggressive enough. I think he's too afraid to make a mistake, especially on a core player deal. He doesn't want to be the guy that deals Duchene or somebody else. He might not be either if he steps down in the summer and they wait until then to make a move.

I just don't know what he thought was gonna happen the last two years especially, after seeing the d core he put out there. There's some stuff in the pipeline, but not really enough to think they will fix the d core by themselves. They might not end up high end enough, and they won't be developed enough until a few years down the road. They'd have to do something to improve the blueline, and Joe just seemed unwilling to commit. He seemed to want to get by on stop gaps and wait, and wait, and wait for......I'm not sure what.

I know he didn't think the guys he brought in were the answer. It's like a lot of the team aspects with Roy. These guys aren't stupid. They can see the problems even better than we can. I'm just not sure what Joe was expecting to happen.

This uber patient approach was clearly going to outlast their tenure because the lack of success would force them out before then, and it looks like that's what could happen. Except it likely will end with a core player trade as well, which is what he was trying to avoid. So the patient approach by itself never was gonna fix the issue to begin with.

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IMO this is a bigger issue than the pro scouting. The pro scouts have found some useful players that have played roles here. Have they been perfect? No, but they'd look a lot better if Sakic had been more aggressive.

The mistake with Colborne is more about him being in the doghouse and Bednar not giving him a real shot than it is on the pro scouts. Colborne has a bit of a NHL history and has shown he can put up points in a role... he is just a player that you need to live with his deficiencies to get value out of him.
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The trouble with JC is that he is what we already have in spades and a poor fit with the team. I've been talking about that for a while, but the team looks like someone pulled random names from a hat. Built without a plan and direction.
I think Colborne is the type of guy much like Kyle Wellwood (who was/is a very similar type of player except for the fact that Wellwood is about a foot shorter), a guy who, in order to be effective, has to be paired with players who will do the dirty work, dig in the corners, hit, etc. And that's the problem--the Avs have too many players like Colborne. Anywhere you put Joe Colborne in this lineup he's with a similar player (Bourque, Grigorenko--who may as well be a Russian clone of Colborne, Soderberg, etc.) except for the 4th line, where there's sufficient grit but the skill is lacking so then you've got the other problem in that Colborne isn't effective at all in a 4th-line grinder role.

Take a look at what Sam Gagner is doing in Columbus. I don't think he just suddenly started caring, he's just now surrounded by a lot of skilled AND tough players who create space for him and feed him the puck, and as a result he's putting up better numbers than he's ever had. I guarantee you Colborne would be flourishing in the same role in Lumbus, and conversely, Gagner would be press box fodder in Colorado.

Adding Colborne, Wiercioch, and Tyutin wouldn't have been viewed so poorly on any other team, but to add three slow and rather soft (Tyutin's not soft but he's not really a banger either) players on a team that's already way too slow and soft just magnified this team's weaknesses rather than addressed them.

It's like this team made all the wrong moves the past three years, then made some right ones, but they needed to get rid of those wrong moves FIRST. That make any sense?

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[quote] 1st - Mikko Rantanen (10) over Lawson Crouse (11), Mathew Barzal (16), and Kyle Conner (17)[\quote]

It is my opinion M.Sakic is the winner.

[quote] 2nd - AJ Greer (39) and Nicolas Meloche (40) over Jeremy Roy (31 - Avs traded pick), Daniel Sprong (46) , Jansen Harkins (47), Rasmus Andersson (53), and Oliver Kylington (60)

Here is equal. Meloche is much better than Roy. Anderson will be better and tougher than Nico in a long time.. Greer is much better than Sprong, Harkins and Kylington.

For this draft, M Sakic is a winner. This is my opinion.

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I think Colborne is the type of guy much like Kyle Wellwood (who was/is a very similar type of player except for the fact that Wellwood is about a foot shorter), a guy who, in order to be effective, has to be paired with players who will do the dirty work, dig in the corners, hit, etc. And that's the problem--the Avs have too many players like Colborne. Anywhere you put Joe Colborne in this lineup he's with a similar player (Bourque, Grigorenko--who may as well be a Russian clone of Colborne, Soderberg, etc.) except for the 4th line, where there's sufficient grit but the skill is lacking so then you've got the other problem in that Colborne isn't effective at all in a 4th-line grinder role.

Take a look at what Sam Gagner is doing in Columbus. I don't think he just suddenly started caring, he's just now surrounded by a lot of skilled AND tough players who create space for him and feed him the puck, and as a result he's putting up better numbers than he's ever had. I guarantee you Colborne would be flourishing in the same role in Lumbus, and conversely, Gagner would be press box fodder in Colorado.

Adding Colborne, Wiercioch, and Tyutin wouldn't have been viewed so poorly on any other team, but to add three slow and rather soft (Tyutin's not soft but he's not really a banger either) players on a team that's already way too slow and soft just magnified this team's weaknesses rather than addressed them.

It's like this team made all the wrong moves the past three years, then made some right ones, but they needed to get rid of those wrong moves FIRST. That make any sense?
I think the problem is that most of these types of players that tend to not engage physically much, or float around a bit, and just generally not bring it on a consistent basis, they can only be so good in the NHL. You can get some success with the right line mates in the fashion you're talking about, but it's almost a lightning in a bottle scenario.

They'll tease you every now and then with a good full season, and they'll tempt you to think they're starting to figure it out. When really that's not the beginning of showing what they're capable of it's the end. That's the high water mark, and most seasons won't be near that level.

Unfortunately that might have been Colborne's season last year. Or on the micro level, his first game this year. I think a lot of it comes down to them getting comfortable too easily. They don't have that drive to bring it every night, whether they're playing well or not. They get comfortable and think they're good enough to get by without working hard.

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My biggest fear when it comes to Sakic is that he can't be ruthless, and that's a must for any GM. You can't care about a player's feelings if the axe has to be swung. It doesn't matter how good a guy is in the room, or if he has an A on his jersey, if he's not cutting it, then he must be waived/benched/replaced.

I feel like Sakic won't do what needs to be done with guys like Beauchemin and McLeod, and that's a fatal flaw. I can't help but think he's too nice to be a good GM.

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My biggest fear when it comes to Sakic is that he can't be ruthless, and that's a must for any GM. You can't care about a player's feelings if the axe has to be swung. It doesn't matter how good a guy is in the room, or if he has an A on his jersey, if he's not cutting it, then he must be waived/benched/replaced.

I feel like Sakic won't do what needs to be done with guys like Beauchemin and McLeod, and that's a fatal flaw. I can't help but think he's too nice to be a good GM.
I don't think either guy on the team is a fatal flaw really. Beauch has been terrible, but he only has one year left. The season's done, it doesn't matter what they do. All things being equal, he might be serviceable as a #5/6 guy if they can finally build a decent top 4. They won't have much cap issues next year so his salary isn't an issue. Same with McLeod, he's not making or breaking this team's problems on the 4th line.

I think there's a lot of truth to what you said, but more in terms of the bigger moves that he hasn't been aggressive enough to make.

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I don't think either guy on the team is a fatal flaw really. Beauch has been terrible, but he only has one year left. The season's done, it doesn't matter what they do. All things being equal, he might be serviceable as a #5/6 guy if they can finally build a decent top 4. They won't have much cap issues next year so his salary isn't an issue. Same with McLeod, he's not making or breaking this team's problems on the 4th line.

I think there's a lot of truth to what you said, but more in terms of the bigger moves that he hasn't been aggressive enough to make.
Well, the point is, he's not even making the small moves, so yeah, he might not be willing to make the big ones either. More and more I think he's just indecisive.

And I don't think Beauchemin would be serviceable if you plucked the best defensemen from the top five teams in the league and surrounded him with them. He's the worst defenseman on the team and making a strong case for worst defenseman in the league. He should have been sent to the press box (or home) a LONG time ago.

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I'm willing to give Sakic another year. I want to see if he can build a proper team for Bednar's system.

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I don't think it's indecisive, that's the product of trying to satisfy competing and building at the same time and having no clear vision or plan or at least conflicting ones. What can he do all under presumably one plan and direction, should he have one, we don't know yet. Is he just gun shy or was he trying to satisfy different people and interests?

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Aside from the O'Reilly trade - in which his hand was forced - Sakic has made no big trades. He has no stamp on the team.

Most dislike Greg Shermans tenure - including me - but give the guy credit for going out and bringing in key players.

Sakic, meanwhile, has basically nickel and dimed the club to death, replacing lost talent (Stastny, O'Reilly) with washed up veterans/low upside free agents.

I'm guilty of liking (most) of his moves at face value, but the overall product when the dust has settled has been horrendous.

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This is why Sakic is the worse GM in the league:

In 3+ seasons, Nikita Zadorov is literally the ONLY player on the current roster that he's acquired via a signing or trade who you would actually want on the team long-term (and it was at the expense of Ryan O'Reilly so the net gain of good players is zero). He did acquire Compher and Greer via a pick in that same trade and those guys are gonna be NHLers I think but not sure if they turn into high impact players and the jury's out on them since they're still prospects.

Also our worse players....all Sakic acquisitions or re-signings (McLeod and Mitchell).

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What system? People were saying the same thing a couple seasons ago replacing Bednar with Roy.

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What system? People were saying the same thing a couple seasons ago replacing Bednar with Roy.
Bednar's system requires fast tenacious FWDs and very good puck moving dmen that think quick on their feet...we don't have much of either.

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