i dont know how you trade a young steady dman for old soft bum who makes an enormous amont of $$$
Seidenberg has been far from steady. Even with the Phantoms he was still making some mental mistakes that he was able to overcome just because he is better than a lot of those guys. Can't do that in the NHL and survive.
Seidenberg has been far from steady. Even with the Phantoms he was still making some mental mistakes that he was able to overcome just because he is better than a lot of those guys. Can't do that in the NHL and survive.
Especially when there is a numbers game to be played starting this week.
Uh, am I imagining things, or did Bobby Clarke just aquire a one dimensional soft European player, that only has 2 goals and 11 points this year? Who is this guy running the Flyers, and what has he done with Bobby Clarke?
I hope you guys enjoy Nedved, I know we didn't. If you guys think he is going to be an offensive savior, old man Clarke better look elsewhere because he will stick up the joint. He shows no effort at all and can't score. He just plain sucks!!!!
The Philadelphia Flyers have acquired forward Petr Nedved from the Phoenix Coyotes in exchange for defenceman Dennis Seidenberg. Details to follow...
TSN
Randy
Flyers get Nedved from Coyotes for Seidenberg
By Tim Panaccio
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
"The Flyers pulled another one of their famous late-Friday trade surprises, sending defenseman Dennis Seidenberg to the Phoenix Coyotes for center Petr Nedved.
Seidenberg was likely to have been traded because the Flyers are crowded on defense now that Joni Pitkanen is returning to the lineup. The acquisition of Nedved is a clear indication that the team does not expect the injured Keith Primeau back, perhaps for the remainder of the regular season.
The Czech center, who prefers playing with Europeans (there are no Czechs on the Flyers) put together some good years with the Rangers in recent times but has struggled horribly as a free agent in Phoenix this season with just 2 goals in 25 games.
The oft-injured Seidenberg has as many goals as Nedved in in 29 games.
Meanwhile, goalie Robert Esche is expected to start against Pittsburgh tomorrow while Peter Forsberg is out and Kim Johnsson is uncertain."
I don't mind having Nedved in that at worst he will be no different from any Flyer not named Forsberg (or Gagne when Forsberg plays) in that he will be unreliable in scoring goals. This team has irritated me lately in that no one is consistent in scoring (other than Forsberg and Gagne). It was nice during that long road trip, when every night some random player would score...Eager, Carter, Handzus, Kapanen. But lately, no one is coming through, so maybe Nedved can. If not, no different than the team we got now. I don't mind losing Seidenberg, because I thought if we held on to him much longer he would have no trade value.
The only thing that concerns me is the contract and hit to the salary cap. I really wanted Samsonov, but no telling what that would have cost.
First off, just found out about the trade tonight. Been helping my brother move into his new apartment today. I'm not jumping up down like the Forsberg signing, it's an ok move. The Flyers gave up on Dennis, he has more games played than the new guys we have now in Jones and Meyer, they look better than him. He was still making rookie mistakes. I knew he was going to get traded, just wondering when. Nedved, seems to do well with a change of scenery. Might benefit playing with some fellow countrymen in Handzus and Radivojevic. All are from Czechoslovakia. Our team is obviously a contender, we'll see what happens. Clarke got draft picks out of the deal as well.
I really don't mind this deal. Nedved can be soft, but he also has good hands and let's face it, nobody in Phoenix was really lighting it up this year besides maybe Doan and his uber-streakiness.
This gives the Flyers a bona fide 2nd line scoring/playmaking centre and takes some pressure off Richards and Carter to provide secondary scoring. Maybe put Knuble on a line with Nedved because Mikey's tailed off a bit since a hot start and he can open up some more room for Nedved to move around with the puck.
As for Primeau coming back/not coming back... I think this move does speak a little bit about the situation. If moved to the IR, Primeau's salary comes off the books and frees up a little bit more cap space to add a 5/6 blueliner and/or a bottom 6 winger a la Sillinger.
Still not a huge fan of the Savage signing as he isn't producing at all and he's still taking up valuable PP time from guys like Carter & Richards. Best-case scenario we can clear his salary off the books much in the way they did with Hack-job a couple years ago... "Here you go Brian, one dose of vertigo and voila, your contract disappears."
Nedved is a bona fide 2nd line scoring/playmaking centre? You didn't happen to watch any Coyotes games this season, did you? His play and effort for the Coyotes this season didn't even warrant a third or fourth line spot on the roster.
Nedved is a soft floater who actually deflates his team mates with his play and lack of hustle/effort.
Man, this is a GREAT trade for Barnett. I thought the dogs would have to eat a chunk of his contract just to unload him and was prepared to see them pull a NJ/Mogilny on Nedved (waiving him). On one of the better Coyotes Message Boards (coyotescorner.net) the majority of posters have actually attributed many of the losses to Nedved. The stats say that the dogs win when he's in the press box and lose when he's dressed. I know that it is over the top, but at least partially it is true, because he eats up ice time and is totally ineffective.
Countless turnovers, soft on the puck, his shot is NEVER on the net, no hustle, no effort, floating.
Nedved was driving us all nuts! On top of it he makes a ton of money.
If we had gotten nothing in return we would have won the trade...
The funny thing is that we already sent Savage your way! He was just like Nedved - Expensive but ineffective - IMHO, Nedved is worse, though, because he hurst the team more than Savage does...
Nedved is a bona fide 2nd line scoring/playmaking centre? You didn't happen to watch any Coyotes games this season, did you? His play and effort for the Coyotes this season didn't even warrant a third or fourth line spot on the roster.
Nedved is a soft floater who actually deflates his team mates with his play and lack of hstle/effort.
Man, this is a GREAT trade for Barnett. I thought the dogs would have to eat a chunk of his contract just to unload him and was prepared to see them pull a NJ/Mogilny on Nedved (waiving him). On one of the better Coyotes Message Boards (coyotescorner.net) the majority of posters have actually attributed many of the losses to Nedved. The stats say that the dogs win when he's in the press box and lose when he's dressed. I know that it is over the top, but at least partially it is true, because he eats up ice time and is totally ineffective.
Countless turnovers, soft on the puck, his shot is NEVER on the net, no hustle, no effort, floating.
Nedved was driving us all nuts! On top of it he makes a ton of money.
If we had gotten nothing in return we would have won the trade...
The funny thing is that we already sent Savage your way! He was just like Nedved - Expensive but ineffective - IMHO, Nedved is worse, though, because he hurst the team more than Savage does...
Your post sums up everything that I was getting at in my post! Thanks Bobby Clarke, we should sart calling you uncle Clarke with all the dealing were doing .
Nedved is a bona fide 2nd line scoring/playmaking centre? You didn't happen to watch any Coyotes games this season, did you? His play and effort for the Coyotes this season didn't even warrant a third or fourth line spot on the roster.
Nedved is a soft floater who actually deflates his team mates with his play and lack of hustle/effort.
Man, this is a GREAT trade for Barnett. I thought the dogs would have to eat a chunk of his contract just to unload him and was prepared to see them pull a NJ/Mogilny on Nedved (waiving him). On one of the better Coyotes Message Boards (coyotescorner.net) the majority of posters have actually attributed many of the losses to Nedved. The stats say that the dogs win when he's in the press box and lose when he's dressed. I know that it is over the top, but at least partially it is true, because he eats up ice time and is totally ineffective.
Countless turnovers, soft on the puck, his shot is NEVER on the net, no hustle, no effort, floating.
Nedved was driving us all nuts! On top of it he makes a ton of money.
If we had gotten nothing in return we would have won the trade...
The funny thing is that we already sent Savage your way! He was just like Nedved - Expensive but ineffective - IMHO, Nedved is worse, though, because he hurst the team more than Savage does...
Buy low, sell high. Nedved never got it going in Phoenix and in reality who wants to play hockey in the desert. I expect to see the Nedved that had 5g&10a in 16 games in 03/04 with the Oilers. A motivated Nedved is a solid player. Nedved started slow and was banged up in Phoenix, went in the doghouse, was not motivated, played like crap, and got his wish: A ticket out of the desert. Now he is in a hockey rich town with a chip on his shoulder and something to proove. I think the Flyers just landed the motivated and dangerous Nedved.
do you people watch the games? How stupid can you be to say Seidenberg is garbage? I can't wait to watch him blossom with Phoenix. Phoenix and Carolina games will be banned in Bobby Clarke's house. Watching Williams and Seidenberg will make him sick with himself. Who was it that said they can't stand watching Meyer and Jones on D? Get your eyes checked buddy, they have been very solid.
As for Nedved, Why didn't they wait until he cleared waivers and pick him up then, if they wanted him.
Rating the trade:
1. Very Bad trade because we traded a great young dman for a guy that was getting benched in Phoenix.
2. Bad trade because now we may not get to see Ben Eager again all year. (I understand that he has had weaknesses at other levels but he was dominant in the games he played with the Flyers)
3. Bad trade because we could have received a very good player by giving up Dennis and taking on that Salary.
3. Good news because Clarke may not be able to make more trades, ruining this team further.
4. Good news because Seidenberg will no longer have to ask himself - Am I really getting benched in favor of Chris Therien?
It's a very happy day for many Coyotes fans. To get rid of Petr AND get a servicable young player to boot is all many of us could ask for.
I have a slightly different take on the ineffectiveness of Petr as a Coyote. I really think the numerous injuries that he sustained this year messed up his chances of fitting into the lineup...most noteably, the blow to the head Fedoruk cheaply dished out on him. Just when he'd get healthy, he would be put anywhere from the 1st line to the pressbox. I just don't think he could find his stride, so he appeared lazy, floaty, and was made into a scapegoat.
I guess we'll never know if he could shake all that off and help the Dogs, but I think he'll do okay in Philly.
do you people watch the games? How stupid can you be to say Seidenberg is garbage? I can't wait to watch him blossom with Phoenix. Phoenix and Carolina games will be banned in Bobby Clarke's house. Watching Williams and Seidenberg will make him sick with himself. Who was it that said they can't stand watching Meyer and Jones on D? Get your eyes checked buddy, they have been very solid.
As for Nedved, Why didn't they wait until he cleared waivers and pick him up then, if they wanted him.
Rating the trade:
1. Very Bad trade because we traded a great young dman for a guy that was getting benched in Phoenix.
2. Bad trade because now we may not get to see Ben Eager again all year. (I understand that he has had weaknesses at other levels but he was dominant in the games he played with the Flyers)
3. Bad trade because we could have received a very good player by giving up Dennis and taking on that Salary.
3. Good news because Clarke may not be able to make more trades, ruining this team further.
4. Good news because Seidenberg will no longer have to ask himself - Am I really getting benched in favor of Chris Therien?
Overall: bad trade
The ignorance of Philly fans is just embarrassing to be honest.
Before Nedved has played a single game, a single minute, a single second, he is already condemned. Clarke is immediately condemned despite the fact that he has done nothing but make good deals for this team. I'm sure that these are the same people that were screaming for Handzus to be traded before the year.
It's absolutely unfair to grade this trade before either player has even played a game. I personally think that Nedved will flourish playing with a competitive team. He's the type of player who will work hard when he plays with talent. We saw that with Edmonton in 03-04. As for Seidenberg, sorry to burst some bubbles, but he's pretty much the only minus player on the team which says a fair deal about his defensive play. He also wasn't producing offensively and Meyer has proven to be more effective.
That comment about Williams is completely ignorant as well. The team was missing a lot of d-men at the time. A sacrifice needed to be made. I still remember all the people complaining that it should have been Gagne. Markov was a deal that needed to be made. Clarke has guided this team very well, yet after every move, he's castigated. Yet I'm sure once Seidenberg turns into Bruno St. Jacques and Nedved becomes a contributor, these people will just crawl back into holes and say that had been behind the trade all along. Just like the people that wanted to deal Handzus.
The ignorance of Philly fans is just embarrassing to be honest.
Before Nedved has played a single game, a single minute, a single second, he is already condemned. Clarke is immediately condemned despite the fact that he has done nothing but make good deals for this team. I'm sure that these are the same people that were screaming for Handzus to be traded before the year.
It's absolutely unfair to grade this trade before either player has even played a game. I personally think that Nedved will flourish playing with a competitive team. He's the type of player who will work hard when he plays with talent. We saw that with Edmonton in 03-04. As for Seidenberg, sorry to burst some bubbles, but he's pretty much the only minus player on the team which says a fair deal about his defensive play. He also wasn't producing offensively and Meyer has proven to be more effective.
That comment about Williams is completely ignorant as well. The team was missing a lot of d-men at the time. A sacrifice needed to be made. I still remember all the people complaining that it should have been Gagne. Markov was a deal that needed to be made. Clarke has guided this team very well, yet after every move, he's castigated. Yet I'm sure once Seidenberg turns into Bruno St. Jacques and Nedved becomes a contributor, these people will just crawl back into holes and say that had been behind the trade all along. Just like the people that wanted to deal Handzus.
Coyotes fan here.
I agree, neither player has played a game for their new teams, yet. From a Phoenix point of view, we needed to get rid of Nedved. He was BRUTAL all season long! I don't have to wait for him to play for the Flyers in order to know that Nedved was not going to work out for the 'Yotes.
I thought Seidenberg had a pretty decent season for the Phantoms during the lockout, but I may be wrong as I read stats and didn't watch the games. Even if Seidenberg (only) turns into a top four d-man on the AHL team for the desert dogs, they have done well in this trade. Dumped about $1.8 million in salary and got something in return.
You didn't happen to watch any Coyotes games this season, did you? His play and effort for the Coyotes this season didn't even warrant a third or fourth line spot on the roster.
