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10-26-2016, 10:38 PM
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Expansion draft

Which players would you protect for the expansion draft? General rules:
a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

Let's assume Trouba remains unsigned and has not been traded at the time of the expansion.

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10-27-2016, 12:09 AM
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7 Forwards
Scheifele
Wheeler
Little
Dano
Armia
Perreault
Lowry

3 Defencemen
Buff
Enstrom
Trouba

1 Goalie
Hellebuyck


This route leaves Myers exposed but we keep all the forwards we want. Which is why we absolutely need to trade Trouba for a young defencemen that is exempt but still good and or promising. And replace Trouba with Myers on the protection list.

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7 Forwards
Scheifele
Wheeler
Little
Dano
Armia
Perreault
Lowry

3 Defencemen
Buff
Enstrom
Trouba

1 Goalie
Hellebuyck


This route leaves Myers exposed but we keep all the forwards we want. Which is why we absolutely need to trade Trouba for a young defencemen that is exempt but still good and or promising. And replace Trouba with Myers on the protection list.
Six years in and the Jets so-called depth has us protecting Dano and Lowry!

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10-27-2016, 12:33 AM
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Six years in and the Jets so-called depth has us protecting Dano and Lowry!
Only because the rest of our depth is auto-protected

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7 Forwards
Scheifele
Wheeler
Little
Dano
Armia
Perreault
Lowry

3 Defencemen
Buff
Enstrom
Trouba

1 Goalie
Hellebuyck


This route leaves Myers exposed but we keep all the forwards we want. Which is why we absolutely need to trade Trouba for a young defencemen that is exempt but still good and or promising. And replace Trouba with Myers on the protection list.
Myers can get you three Lowrys.

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10-27-2016, 12:45 AM
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Which players would you protect for the expansion draft? General rules:
a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

Let's assume Trouba remains unsigned and has not been traded at the time of the expansion.
Did they change the rules for 8 skaters? Originally it was 4 D + 4 F.


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10-27-2016, 12:47 AM
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I would protect Lowry as often as I would a young Dave Steckel or Kyle Chipchura

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Myers can get you three Lowrys.
Then you lose one of Armia or Dano as I assume we protect Scheif, Wheeler, Little, Perreault on top of Buff, Enstrom, Trouba and Myers.

That is why trading Trouba for a young protected defencemen could probably benefit this team more than trading him for another body we have to protect. As we could then keep Armia, Dano, Lowry AND Myers.
Unless of course the return from a Trouba trade is a really really good defencemen worth losing Armia or Dano over.

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Did they change the rules for 8 skaters? Originally it 4 D + 4 F.
All the expansion draft tools on all the cap sites use 7-3-1.

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10-27-2016, 12:50 AM
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7 Forwards
Scheifele
Wheeler
Little
Dano
Armia
Perreault
Lowry

3 Defencemen
Buff
Enstrom
Trouba

1 Goalie
Hellebuyck


This route leaves Myers exposed but we keep all the forwards we want. Which is why we absolutely need to trade Trouba for a young defencemen that is exempt but still good and or promising. And replace Trouba with Myers on the protection list.
I don't think the Jets intend to expose Myers considering how the Trouba situation has played out. If they did they would've trade him to keep Trouba in the fold.

I agree with your list but I'd like us to try to get Enstrom to waive his NMC and expose him to protect Myers instead. I don't think Vegas picks Enstrom anyways.

I wish it was 5 forwards and 4 d-men for the 2nd option. The main ones I care about protecting are:

Scheifele
Wheeler
Perreault
Little
Dano

Trouba
Buff
Enstrom
Myers

Losing Armia would suck but it's not the end of the world.

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10-27-2016, 12:52 AM
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I don't think the Jets intend to expose Myers considering how the Trouba situation has played out. If they did they would've trade him to keep Trouba in the fold.

I agree with your list but I'd like us to try to get Enstrom to waive his NMC and expose him to protect Myers instead. I don't think Vegas picks Enstrom anyways.

I wish it was 5 forwards and 4 d-men for the 2nd option. The main ones I care about protecting are:

Scheifele
Wheeler
Perreault
Little
Dano

Trouba
Buff
Enstrom
Myers

Losing Armia would suck but it's not the end of the world.
For me Armia is the kind of guy that could really help a team in the playoffs. The way he kills penalties is incredibly useful.

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10-27-2016, 01:26 AM
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All the expansion draft tools on all the cap sites use 7-3-1.
Yes but 4+4+1 is an option. It is the only one that has appeared to fit the Jets needs. Beyond our top 4 veteran F and those who are exempt we have a group of forwards who were all about equal. None of them looked like a huge loss. Now both Dano and Armia have begun to look more valuable. But we have 4 D that we need to protect. Enstrom is the only one who might not be taken if exposed. That only because of age and contract status. We don't have the D depth to be able to afford to lose any of our top 4. What to do? Get Enstrom to waive, if that is possible. Trade Trouba for an exempt D. Pay LV to take the player of our choice. Or lose a too good to lose player.

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can you protect buff as a forward?

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Scheifele
Wheeler
Little
Perreault

Trouba
Byfuglien
Enstrom
Myers

Hellebuyck

Losing Dano/Armia/Lowry isn't that big of a deal.

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You can always make a backroom deal ... don't draft a certain player and we will give you a future pick (it's been done before)
Who knows maybe Enstrom waves his no trade clause but seriously the way the Jets are playing does it really matter who they protect?

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Myers can get you three Lowrys.
OH Boy 3 Lowries! Are we talking about the candy lowries? Or was that Rowntrees?

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...but seriously the way the Jets are playing does it really matter who they protect?
Eh.. Yes?

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Did they change the rules for 8 skaters? Originally it was 4 D + 4 F.
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansi...es/c-281010592

The following rules were approved for the 2017 Expansion Draft:

Protected Lists
* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:

a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender

b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Player Exposure Requirements
* All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League.

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something risky but interesting:
most expansion teams tend to be cheap for their first few years.
what if you left Buff exposed?
would he be picked up?
a big gamble, but something i'd wonder.

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something risky but interesting:
most expansion teams tend to be cheap for their first few years.
what if you left Buff exposed?
would he be picked up?
a big gamble, but something i'd wonder.
He has a NMC so does Enstrom. They can't be exposed.

Buff would be picked. Vegas has to select at least 60% of the salary cap ceiling in the draft. They can't go all cheap.

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He has a NMC so does Enstrom. They can't be exposed.

Buff would be picked. Vegas has to select at least 60% of the salary cap ceiling in the draft. They can't go all cheap.
dunno, man.
we're talking an expansion team floor of $44 million
with an average NHL salary being $2.4 million and minimum will be $600 000.
23 man roster at the average salary is $55 million.

not advocating that we expose Buff, but, for example, if we end up re-signing Trouba at $6 million/year, then it's a calculated gamble to leave him exposed.

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dunno, man.
we're talking an expansion team floor of $44 million
with an average NHL salary being $2.4 million and minimum will be $600 000.
23 man roster at the average salary is $55 million.

not advocating that we expose Buff, but, for example, if we end up re-signing Trouba at $6 million/year, then it's a calculated gamble to leave him exposed.
Buff and Enstrom cannot be exposed. They will be required to be on the Jets protected list.

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can you protect buff as a forward?
I know it's a joke but I wonder what the rule is in this regards. For example, if he played 10 games as a forward this year, could he be protected as one?

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I know it's a joke but I wonder what the rule is in this regards. For example, if he played 10 games as a forward this year, could he be protected as one?
I would think he would have to play more than half the games at forward in order for the Jets to do this

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Yes but 4+4+1 is an option. It is the only one that has appeared to fit the Jets needs. Beyond our top 4 veteran F and those who are exempt we have a group of forwards who were all about equal. None of them looked like a huge loss. Now both Dano and Armia have begun to look more valuable. But we have 4 D that we need to protect. Enstrom is the only one who might not be taken if exposed. That only because of age and contract status. We don't have the D depth to be able to afford to lose any of our top 4. What to do? Get Enstrom to waive, if that is possible. Trade Trouba for an exempt D. Pay LV to take the player of our choice. Or lose a too good to lose player.
I think the 4F+4D is basically the same as 8 skaters. So you can do 4F+4D, 6F+2D, 3F+5D and so on.

Getting Enstrom to waive could be a solid move. But with a team looking to compete, you never know. Going the 7+3 allows us to protect an extra 2 players so Dano and Armia make the cut. Plus Lowry. These are all players who still have some value even though Lowry might not be as high.

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