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11-07-2016, 01:49 PM
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Was there a specific reason why he was out so long? Saw the highlight on NHL Network, but didn't catch what they were talking about
We were hemmed in our end for basically the final four minutes, and the only way we got the puck out of the zone was icing it.

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11-07-2016, 05:17 PM
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I only wish Cherepanov was still alive and playing for us. The amount of pure filth they would display on a nightly basis would have the Rangers playing on the adult channels.

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I only wish Cherepanov was still alive and playing for us. The amount of pure filth they would display on a nightly basis would have the Rangers playing on the adult channels.


But how do the two guys compare? Cherap was more of a shooter and Buch more of a passer, right?

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11-07-2016, 08:55 PM
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But how do the two guys compare? Cherap was more of a shooter and Buch more of a passer, right?
Thats what I've read.

And I've read that he was much better. Much better than nearly all of the Russian players currently in the NHL. I read he could've been on Ovechkin or Malkin's level.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/2....icle-1.2862810

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“I think after he got that first (goal), he’s a different player,” said Pirri, who recently has been centering Buchnevich and Jesper Fast. “Now he’s smiling and he’s dominant when he has the puck. The last couple of games I should’ve had a couple where he fed me right in front.”
The rest of the team is noticing how much more confident and loose he was after scoring his first.

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Thats what I've read.

And I've read that he was much better. Much better than nearly all of the Russian players currently in the NHL. I read he could've been on Ovechkin or Malkin's level.

Cherry was never on Malkin/Ovie level otherwise he would've gone pick #1.

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The rest of the team is noticing how much more confident and loose he was after scoring his first.
It was 1 game plus like 5 minutes.

This reads like it's been 10 games. But yes that goal was confident as **** goal. The guy has serious talent and he makes really good little plays to keep possession and he can pass with the best of them.


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Cherry was never on Malkin/Ovie level otherwise he would've gone pick #1.
Russian factor.

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Russian factor.
Didn't apply to Ovie and Geno. If you have that kind of talent you don't drop.

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Didn't apply to Ovie and Geno. If you have that kind of talent you don't drop.
Yeah I agree, it wouldn't matter of Ovie and Geno were from Mars.

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Cherry was never on Malkin/Ovie level otherwise he would've gone pick #1.
No he was definitely going to be as good as them. He was putting up some damn good numbers in the KHL.

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Didn't apply to Ovie and Geno. If you have that kind of talent you don't drop.
Pavel Datsyuk.

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11-07-2016, 10:52 PM
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Didn't apply to Ovie and Geno. If you have that kind of talent you don't drop.
This is a post I made recently on this subject.

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He put up stats in his pre-draft season that have only been bested once in the top division of Russian pro hockey, and that was by Sergei Samsonov who went on to have a pretty good NHL career. During his pre-draft season, he had 18 goals and 11 assists in 46 games. Thats 29 points. In the 21st century, only two players have had more than 11 points in their pre-draft season in the top division of Russia, that would be Malkin who had 11 points and Ovechkin who had 15 points. Both of those guys did that in the RSL, which preceded the KHL. The best since the KHL started has been Tarasenko who had 10 points. In his draft+1 season he was slightly worse, but 15 goals and 12 assists in 46 games, 27 points. There were only 5 RSL draft+1 or 18/19 year old seasons better than his draft+1 season, and one of those was his previous season. He was off to a very good start in his draft+2 season, 8 goals and 5 assists in 15 games, 13 points.

If we account for the fact that he had a down year in his draft+1 season, no one besides Samsonov comes close to his pre-draft season in terms of PPG or points, and his draft+2 season in terms of PPG was better than any player to play their draft+2 season in the KHL so far. The only one that was even close was Kuznetsov.

His accomplishments with Russia's junior National Teams might've been even more impressive. Over his junior Russian National Team career spanning many levels, he had 41 goals and 28 assists 63 games, thats 69 points. At the 2007 WJC in his pre-draft season, he tied for the tournament lead in goals. He was also named forward of the tournament in his pre-draft 17/18 year old season. Prior to this year when Puljujarvi won it, the award had been won four times by a 17/18 year old in their pre-draft season. The three names are Gretzky, Bure, Lindros and Cherepanov. I don't think much more needs to be said about that. The two other forwards on the team of the tournament that he beat out for forward of the tournament were Toews and Kane. Toews was in his draft+1 season, and Kane was in his pre-draft season, a season where you can make a good argument that Cherepanov was better than him.

If #1 overall in the 2007 NHL Draft was picked on who was the best prospect and player at the time, it would've been Cherepanov. He was a better player and prospect than Kane. Cherepanov in terms of accomplishments was Ovechkin level as a prospect, and certainly better than anyone since. Would he have become an Ovechkin level NHL player? I don't know. What about even a Malkin level NHL player? I don't know. We can't say for sure.

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11-07-2016, 11:29 PM
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Pavel Datsyuk.
Everyone knew the offensive talent was there but there were serious questions about Datsyuk's all-around ability into his NHL career, until Detroit gave him the reigns and he was great at it.

He was never supposed to be a top pick.

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11-08-2016, 01:32 AM
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Cherry was never on Malkin/Ovie level otherwise he would've gone pick #1.
He was more like on Tarasenko's level, which wasn't bad as well. Jagr, who played with him, was very high on him.

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EJ Hradek said Buchnevich reminds him of another #89. Alexander Mogilny. The Rangers would be fortunate if Buchnevich had Mogilny's career.

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Cherepanov was absolutely not on the level of Ovechkin or Malkin. He always looked to me like a 35 goal guy, 60 points. Terrific talent but not generational, not HOF-caliber.

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Didn't Cherepanov break the RSL rookie scoring record set by Bure? Not even Ovechkin or Malkin I think scored as many goals as him as a rookie. I would need to double check that but I trust my memory.

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While playing with the top level club, Cherepanov scored 18 goals and added 11 assists in 46 games.[1] His 18 goals set a RSL record for players his age, and exceeded the production of his Russian predecessors, Alexander Ovechkin and Evgeni Malkin when they were at the same level.[3] For his play the previous season, Cherepanov was named RSL Newcomer of the Year.[4]

And if my memory serves me right he fell because of Russia league transfer agreements. Pretty sure everyone was scared of using a top pick when they had real concern about whether or not they would be able to get him over to North America

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Everyone knew the offensive talent was there but there were serious questions about Datsyuk's all-around ability into his NHL career, until Detroit gave him the reigns and he was great at it.

He was never supposed to be a top pick.
Cheraponov would have been what Tarasenko is to St Louis. Kid could score from everywhere and his hockey IQ was VERY high. So sad

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cherepanov couldnt shoot the puck like Tarasenko can.

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EJ Hradek said Buchnevich reminds him of another #89. Alexander Mogilny. The Rangers would be fortunate if Buchnevich had Mogilny's career.
I thought he said that he reminded him of Mogilny on the last goal. But maybe I'm wrong.

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Tarasenko is a good comparison to what Cherepanov would have done in the NHL. Yes he dropped a bit in the draft because of the Russian factor but he would have been a superstar in the NHL..maybe not ELITE talent(Malkin/AO) but he was breaking records in the KHL at a young age and was putting up almost a PPG number in the season he died.

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cherepanov couldnt shoot the puck like Tarasenko can.
a 19 year old Tarasenko couldn't shoot the puck like a current Tarasenko could either.

He would have been almost on par with him. His offensive skills were through the roof.

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Wasn't it proven that Cherepanov was blood doping? Tragic and sad what happened to him, but perhaps that could explain his performance at such a young age

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