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01-26-2006, 09:47 PM
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Leipold "28.6 means nothing to us anymore"

P303 had a great summary of a VERY interesting interview with Leipold in the Minnesota GDT, and I feel like it deserves its own thread\discussion. We were curious as to how Leipold could possibly not have known that it didn't matter if we were over that number or not...but you have to be encouraged by the way he's talking.

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very interesting interview with leopold...

points he made;

..we were wrong in our interpretation of having to stay below the 'mid-point' of 28.6 mil to get full revenue sharing. management got clarification from the league that that wasn't true. so we are not limited by the 28.6 million makr we've been operating under thru the first half of the year (hard to believe we didn't know this beforehand to me, somebody really screwed the pooch in the front office not getting this cleared up sooner i'm thinking)

..leopold basically says we're trying to make two deals. he doesn't come out and say it specifically, but he leads you to think those deals are for a center and for a big d-man

..leopold basically says "money isn't a hindrance here, we can get any player in the league no matter his salary for the remainder of the year".

..also comes out and says "we're going for it" when talking about getting a key player

..says his only concern is "trading our future for a rent a player". says we won't do that, but also pretty much says he's willing to trade any draft pick or prospect for the right guy

..wants a "sullivan type situation" (duh) if possible, in that he would like to get a guy we could resign (read a RFA if possible of course)

..very interesting interview, leopold seemed ready to wheel and deal.. said they had put out feelers to every team for someone, but were concentrating on teams currently out of the playoff standings

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i have to admit, i'm still amazed that we didn't know as an organization the technicalities of the 28.6 million revenue sharing thing. leopold admitted we had just figured it out and gotten clarrification from the league, and the way he made it sound we had just gotten that cleared up in the last few days. several of our personnel moves this year (the sending of tootoo down for one) i have felt were done mainly because of our juggling to stay below this number as best we could and not really purely hockey-driven moves..

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There has got to be more to the story....but I didn't hear the interview.

Possiblities:

-Total chaos in league office....CBA not published yet, which I find VERY unusual.....and Preds organization made bad interpretation.

-Our revenue is better than forecasted and Leipold feels that we are on the cusp of a true push to the Stanley Cup and is willing to forego revenue sharing...

-League revenue is higher, and there was a clause to raise the 28.6 mill threshold if that was the case....

-Smoke and mirrors used to gain a negotiating advantage with a club or clubs...



Or could certainly be something else.....but there is more going on here than meets the eye, IMO

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01-27-2006, 10:02 AM
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I don't know what to think, but I do think we're looking at jokinen and weight

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I think Brendan Witt is a real possability. Its definately not a reach to say he'll probably be the best physical d-man available.

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I will admit, I was a bit skeptical, and still am, to the legitamacy of not knowing the truth on the 28.6 million revenue sharing number. How do we not know? I mean Leipold was one of the most involved owners in the CBA process AND the revenue sharing money was tantamount to how we planned our budget. Then again, the moves we have made this year lead you to believe that they really did not know...

Either way, we are in great shape cap wise to get any piece we want. If money is truly no object, we could add anyone in the league...and we have the assets to get a lot of good players. I'll admit, this makes me wish more and more that Richards was a possibility for Nashville. I don't think Weight will resign with us, and the same for Jokinen. We need a RFA center, and badly. If we are looking at defensemen as well...I'm not sure who we should target. I guess theres Brendan Witt, but do we really want to get in a bidding war for Witt???

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how bout we trade are 2nd round pick and Pivko for Witt.

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http://www.hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=216114

Preds interested in Rucchin.

Not a bad fit, bigtime character guy, decent production...but honestly, I'm hoping we go for someone a little flashier and definitely YOUNGER.

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how bout we trade are 2nd round pick and Pivko for Witt.
I don't understand everyone's love affair with Witt. He's a similar player to Markov...but not as good, IMO. I wouldn't mind, if the Oilers were on the outside looking in...making a push for Jason Smith.

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Preds interested in Rucchin.

Not a bad fit, bigtime character guy, decent production...but honestly, I'm hoping we go for someone a little flashier and definitely YOUNGER.
Yeah, I'd pass on Rucchin. I'd like us to get a guy that can help us for several years to come. He'll be 35 at the start of next season and his production slipped. Unless he can be had for peanuts, I'd pass and attempt to go for a guys like Jokinen. Surely Ollie realizes that every year in Florida is like groundhog day. Every year starts out with promise. Every year ends up with failure. They've had 1 winning season since '97 and have won zero playoff games during that stretch.

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Yeah, I'd pass on Rucchin. I'd like us to get a guy that can help us for several years to come. He'll be 35 at the start of next season and his production slipped. Unless he can be had for peanuts, I'd pass and attempt to go for a guys like Jokinen. Surely Ollie realizes that every year in Florida is like groundhog day. Every year starts out with promise. Every year ends up with failure. They've had 1 winning season since '97 and have won zero playoff games during that stretch.
Ideally Rucchin would center the third line...and is he worth what we would need to trade to get him? The Rag fans think they can get Markov for Rucchin despite having enormous depth at center. I for one, think that would be a terrible trade for us.

Count me off the Witt bandwagon as well. Then again, he hasn't been the same since Klee left (same for Klee.) I wonder if a good defensive partner/team would reinvigorate his play....Somehow, I don't think it will matter.

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Ideally Rucchin would center the third line...and is he worth what we would need to trade to get him? The Rag fans think they can get Markov for Rucchin despite having enormous depth at center. I for one, think that would be a terrible trade for us.

Count me off the Witt bandwagon as well. Then again, he hasn't been the same since Klee left (same for Klee.) I wonder if a good defensive partner/team would reinvigorate his play....Somehow, I don't think it will matter.
Yeah, Rucchin for Markov? Not sure who would make that trade. Hope to hell it isn't us. And I don't like Witt either. He's been very mediocre this year.

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a defenseman that intrigues me...that has been mentioned as an almost sure trade...

how about Pavel Kubina? He's big, physical...coming off an all-star season.

Maybe we could swing a package for Kubina\RIchards?

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a defenseman that intrigues me...that has been mentioned as an almost sure trade...

how about Pavel Kubina? He's big, physical...coming off an all-star season.

Maybe we could swing a package for Kubina\RIchards?
Kubina/Richards for Legwand, Erat, Parent, and Shishkanov. Yeah, that'll happen.

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I don't understand everyone's love affair with Witt. He's a similar player to Markov...but not as good, IMO. I wouldn't mind, if the Oilers were on the outside looking in...making a push for Jason Smith.

its not a love affair. Not like the offer is going to kill our future. hell I wouldn't mind trading Eaton for Witt straight up.

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its not a love affair. Not like the offer is going to kill our future. hell I wouldn't mind trading Eaton for Witt straight up.
I'd do that trade as well, but I don't think Eaton is what Washington is looking for.

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I don't know that I would. Maybe a month ago...but Eaton has looked like his old self lately. Witt is a physical presence, but he's not a smart defenseman like Eaton is. You don't see Witt making those diving poke checks to break up an odd-man rush.

If anything...if we acquire a defenseman...and I hate to say this...but I think Suter needs to be sent to Milwaukee. He looked great early on, but I think the schedule is getting to him, and he's looking more and more inexperienced in every game. We're getting by for now, but he's just not reliable enough down the stretch or in the playoffs. I'd rather he get some seasoning in the AHL.

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I think Eaton has been great lately also, defensively aside from the Wild game he's been our best, IMHO.

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If anything...if we acquire a defenseman...and I hate to say this...but I think Suter needs to be sent to Milwaukee. He looked great early on, but I think the schedule is getting to him, and he's looking more and more inexperienced in every game. We're getting by for now, but he's just not reliable enough down the stretch or in the playoffs. I'd rather he get some seasoning in the AHL.
Have to say I agree here. Not sure if he's getting tired, so many games in so many nights, or what the deal is. Decision making has not been good lately.

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Have to say I agree here. Not sure if he's getting tired, so many games in so many nights, or what the deal is. Decision making has not been good lately.
I think he's just in your typical rookie funk. It happens to almost every rookie where you go through dry patches. With young players, you are going to get those inconsistencies. I wouldn't be opposed to sending him down to Milwaukee and let him focus on a few aspects of his game.

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sounds like a great time to be a Predators fan.

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Caps waive Cassels, Hawks waive Yakubov.

I'll sweat until someone else claims them or they clear.

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3 braindead questions:

Can Suter play in the AHL during the Olympic break?

I could see a trade centered around him to a team like TBay that has cap issues. He can provide great value cheaply for a number of years. Would Suter plus Stevenson plus one of the better Ads (Shish?) get Richards or get laughed at?

If 28.6 doesn't matter, then how does a team get a piece of the revenue sharing $$ that we are trying to get?

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It would have to be one hell of a deal for us to lose Weber, Suter, or Hamhuis.

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