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01-27-2006, 01:02 PM
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Montreal Players/Trade Value

Alright, here's the roster and current salaries:

Jose Theodore - 4,500,000 - still has some trade value despite bad season and
large contract. Can't see him being moved anytime soon though.
Alexei Kovalev - 4,500,000 - trade virtually impossible with large contract
Saku Koivu - 3,420,000 - contract too large, with injury history
Craig Rivet - 2,660,000 - could be moved for marginal player and 3rd round draft
pick. Adds stability to the Canadiens second defense pairing
Radek Bonk - 2,394,000 - no trade value
Sheldon Souray - 2,128,000 - some team may want him to bolster their second pp
unit, but return may not be great. Salary may restrict a deal. 2nd round draft
pick?
Richard Zednik - 1,824,000 - some value, but a similar, struggling player may be the
only return.
Mathieu Dandenault - 1,700,000 - no trade value
Andrei Markov - 1,500,000 - will not be traded
Mike Rebeiro - 1,178,000 - not much value. washington seems like the only team
that could take a chance on him.
Jan Bulis - 1,062,000 - not much value.
Michael Ryder - 1,000,000 - should not be traded
Niklas Sundstrom - 988,000 - no trade value
Andrei Kostitsyn - 942,400 - will not be traded
Mike Komisarek - 901,740 - still has potential. i think we should wait a bit longer.
Chris Higgins - 900,600 - will not be traded.
Yann Danis - 874,000 - should not be traded.
Steve Begin - 608,000 - should not be traded. good 4th line grinder.
Francis Bouillon - 600,000 - no trade value.
Pierre Dagenais - 550,000 - no trade value.
Mark Streit - 550,000 - no trade value
Garth Murray - 501,600 - keep him around for hamilton or the 4th line.
Jonathan Ferland - 476,600 - no trade value.
Cristobal Huet - 456,000 - will not be traded.
Tomas Plekanec - 450,000 - will not be traded.
Aaron Downey - 450,000 - no trade value.

i think that we have all of our draft picks in 2006 and 2007.

prospects:

carey price - g
guillaume latendresse - rw
kyle chipchura - c
alexander perezhogin - rw
ryan o'byrne - d
jaroslav halak - g
konstantin korneev - d
oskari korpikari - d
alexie emelin - d

it seems as though the canadiens are stuck here. they have a marginal team in a great hockey city that doesn't take kindly to losing. it is for this reason that the habs always seem to be on the verge of rebuilding, while always still trying to stay in the middle of the pack and make the playoffs. the team we have now is clearly not a contender for the stanley cup.

the question is: what should GM Bob Gainey do? it seems to me like his hands are tied. the players who would attract interest who are possibly on the market would a) bring us very little in return...3rd-late round picks or marginal prospects/players (rivet, souray, ribeiro, zednik), b) canadiens may want too much in return (theodore), or c) are blue chip prospects.

what do you think he should do? package deal? stand pat? reuild? let's hear some ideas. the salaries should keep ridiculous trade proposals out of this thread. keep in mind, most teams are close to the cap maximum already.

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01-27-2006, 01:36 PM
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bouillon, sundstrum, and bulis no trade value? man u must be kidding yourself!

Im sick of people posting that we need to clean house. you guys are despicable.

yes i agree we should make some trades, but clean house geez! im glad your not on our team you would give up easier than everyone else. im not going to waste my time arguing against you, im just saying that im disgusted with the opinions some of you so called " habs fans" have. did anybody realize if we win on Saturday and atlanta looses then we are in 8th spot? this team does not need alot to improve, just to settle down and refocus, and play together as a TEAM.

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bouillon, sundstrum, and bulis no trade value? man u must be kidding yourself!

Im sick of people posting that we need to clean house. you guys are despicable.

yes i agree we should make some trades, but clean house geez! im glad your not on our team you would give up easier than everyone else. im not going to waste my time arguing against you, im just saying that im disgusted with the opinions some of you so called " habs fans" have. did anybody realize if we win on Saturday and atlanta looses then we are in 8th spot? this team does not need alot to improve, just to settle down and refocus, and play together as a TEAM.
nowhere in my original post did i say we need to clean house. i was asking for opinions on what we should do and speculating on the trade value of our players if gainey decides to make trade. i clearly asked at the end of the post what you think we should do...clean house? stay pat? you think we should stay pat and thats fine. however, if you think we could actually get anything of value for bulis, bouillon, or sundstrum then you need to give your head a shake. i'd say the most we could hope to get for sunny or bouillon would be a 5th-6th round pick. bulis maybe a little more but not much. any other thoughts on a solution?

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This year, Francis Bouillon is our second best defenseman and being used a lot, he did great job. Jan Bulis is a solid 3rd line player with some offensive abilities, and quite cheap. Same for Sundstrom. Those three have the most trade value of all right now because they play decently.

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[QUOTE=Habitants]
bouillon, sundstrum, and bulis no trade value? man u must be kidding yourself!

[I]he's right, they have ZERO trade value. he's not saying they aren't good players, yes we all love sunny for his hard work, but he has NO trade value. what could you expect to get in return for him? a 6th rounder? exactly. and bulis? he is a great hard working player (where those 4 goals came from is beyond me). he will be lucky, and i mean lucky, to hit the 20 goal mark this year. we all love him, don't get me wrong, but he has no trade value, that's the point.

Im sick of people posting that we need to clean house. you guys are despicable.

yes i agree we should make some trades, but clean house geez! im glad your not on our team you would give up easier than everyone else. im not going to waste my time arguing against you, im just saying that im disgusted with the opinions some of you so called " habs fans" have. did anybody realize if we win on Saturday and atlanta looses then we are in 8th spot? this team does not need alot to improve, just to settle down and refocus, and play together as a TEAM.

see that's the point. 'we are one loss from ATL and one win from us away from a playoff spot.' hold the phone, we should all be happy that we are fighting for our playoff lives, let alone credibility. our core of veteran players is no good. and Joe Sacco hit the nail right on the head when he said that we always do a "half re-build, hall-compete" mentality. we get no blue chip, can't miss prospects because we always finish near the middle of the pack, not placing first, not getting a great draft pick. sweet. the point is we need to rebuild. try to get as many decent draft picks as we can. get rid of guys that some teams may deem valuable for their playoff run. let our good young guys get in there and gain some valuabe experience. I for one am NOT happy with fighting for our playoff lives, we deserve better than that as Habs fans and the time has come to do something about it.
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This year, Francis Bouillon is our second best defenseman and being used a lot, he did great job. Jan Bulis is a solid 3rd line player with some offensive abilities, and quite cheap. Same for Sundstrom. Those three have the most trade value of all right now because they play decently.
I agree, they have all played well... and they would be our most 'tradeable' guys right now... but they doesn't mean they have trade value- trade value implies that they we will get high value in return (i.e. high draft pick, solid player). I'd be shocked if we got anything better than a 5th rounder and marginal players in return, that's the point.

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yes we all love sunny for his hard work, but he has NO trade value.
We do?

as for the original post:

Bulis - decent value... the 4 goal game might have opened some doors

Bouillon - any GM that has watched the habs for a significant time period knows that he's a solid player... also has value.

Sundstrom - possibly the worst player currently playing in the nhl imo

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We do?

as for the original post:

Bulis - decent value... the 4 goal game might have opened some doors

Bouillon - any GM that has watched the habs for a significant time period knows that he's a solid player... also has value.

Sundstrom - possibly the worst player currently playing in the nhl imo
bulis - the 4goal game isn't going to trick a general manager into giving up a good player/prospect/pick. bulis is a 3rd-4th line grinder with a great work ethic and limited skill, just like countless other players in the league.

bouillon - yes, he has played well at times for the habs but this does not change the fact that he is a 3rd pairing dman. in the current nhl environment a top 4 dman isn't getting much return (eg: tarnstrom, spacek). yes i realize salary came into play with these two players, but even so...a late round pick is all we could get.

sundstrom - while i don't agree he is the worst player in the nhl, i think his time may be just about up in montreal (more than likely when his current contract expires). NO trade value.

so what's the solution? is the consensus that we should stay pat and not make any deals?

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so what's the solution? is the consensus that we should stay pat and not make any deals?
I do not believe that is the consesus my friend, unless we are content with finishing 7-10 in the league standings for years to come..

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The most important thing is that those ssalary numbers are not as important as the cap hit. For example Theo is currently being paid 4.5 mill, however the hit is 5.17 mill. This is what will hurt the ability to trade a player to many teams.

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you will see how much value boullion has in the off season when he gets a new contract 1.2 - 1.5 million area is in order.

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Sundstrom - possibly the worst player currently playing in the nhl imo
Dude, you know nothing about hockey. Hockey isn't just about scoring goals. Gretzky even said that Sundstrom was one of the smartest linemates he has ever played with. Sundstrom is a defensive specialist, nothing more. So don't expect him to carry this team on his back. Many teams will want this guy when he becomes a UFA this summer.

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all player are tradeble if cairns,taffe,lundmark,moran can be trade

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bulis - the 4goal game isn't going to trick a general manager into giving up a good player/prospect/pick. bulis is a 3rd-4th line grinder with a great work ethic and limited skill, just like countless other players in the league.

bouillon - yes, he has played well at times for the habs but this does not change the fact that he is a 3rd pairing dman. in the current nhl environment a top 4 dman isn't getting much return (eg: tarnstrom, spacek). yes i realize salary came into play with these two players, but even so...a late round pick is all we could get.

sundstrom - while i don't agree he is the worst player in the nhl, i think his time may be just about up in montreal (more than likely when his current contract expires). NO trade value.

so what's the solution? is the consensus that we should stay pat and not make any deals?
Bulis is going to the olympics no trade value....Forget the 4 goal.... it's the speed of the guy and is very useful for a 3rd line why no trade value???

Bouillon: 3rd pairing dman....we are not watching the same game

For Sundstrom, I agree with you

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