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View Poll Results: Who do you think Vegas will draft from our team?
Mitchell 3 0.90%
Byron 43 12.84%
Beaulieu 107 31.94%
Emelin 79 23.58%
Davidson 23 6.87%
Benn 36 10.75%
Other 44 13.13%
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01-09-2017, 02:11 PM
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Potentially protected:

Forwards Alex Galchenyuk, Branden Gallagher, Alexander Radulov, Max Pacioretty, Paul Byron, Andrew Shaw, Phillip Danault
Defencemen Jeff Petry, Shea Weber, Nathan Beaulieu
Goalie Carey Price


Intriguing exposed:

Tomas Plekanec (F), Jacob De la Rose (F- RFA), Alexei Emelin (D), Greg Pateryn (D)

I agree with this list and I wouldn't be surprised if Emelin is the one to leave.

For Markov and Radulov, MB needs to have an agreement with both will sign after the draft. Don't want to expose Danault, Byron of Beaulieu if we have to protect Radulov and Markov.
I suspect they'll go for the 7-3-1 formula as it allows to protect 2 more players and the way Byron has emerged and the little he costs, they're going to be hard pressed to shield him.

The Emelin vs. Beaulieu showdown continues -- will one of them be dealt at the TDL?

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I'll go against the popular opinion and protect 4 d-men. Emelin has been rock solid this season. Definitely a top 4 d on any team with the way he's played up until now. Rarely seen him missed a defensive assignment.

Chuck
Patch
Gallagher
Byron
Shaw
Danault

Weber
Emelin
Petry
Beaulieu

Price

Zero chance LV picks Rads or Markov because they won't resign with them. We can resign them after the expansion draft.
It's 8 skaters if you want 4 D. It's not worth it IMO.

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I suspect they'll go for the 7-3-1 formula as it allows to protect 2 more players and the way Byron has emerged and the little he costs, they're going to be hard pressed to shield him.

The Emelin vs. Beaulieu showdown continues -- will one of them be dealt at the TDL?
They're trying to win, they won't...

Both players are replaceable, not a huge loss, we aren't Minnesota. Our situation is very comfortable. No useless contract to protect (ex. Pominville (he'll be bought out)), no extra defenceman or forward assured to loss (ex. TB) or a young goalie to be made available (maybe Murray ??)

Really, there's nothing to worry about and when the playoffs will be over, Bergevin will be one of the few GM who won't lose much sleep over the expansion draft... maybe even be able to land a few good deals...


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They're trying to win, they won't...

Both players are replaceable, not a huge loss, we aren't Minnesota. Our situation is very comfortable. No useless contract to protect (ex. Pominville (he'll be waived)), no extra defenceman or forward assured to loss (ex. TB) or a young goalie to be made available (maybe Murray ??)

Really, there's nothing to worry about and when the playoffs will be over, Bergevin will be one of the few GM who won't lose much sleep over the expansion draft... maybe even be able to land a few good deals...
I don't exactly know about Pominville's status and I'm too lazy to check.

But...
If a player has to be protected, that means he has an NMC.
If he was an NMC, that means he cannot be waived.

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The silver lining : the guy we might have to not protect is a LD.

There will be quite a few available, and Beaulieu/Emelin might not be the best ones.

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I don't exactly know about Pominville's status and I'm too lazy to check.

But...
If a player has to be protected, that means he has an NMC.
If he was an NMC, that means he cannot be waived.
My mistake I meant to write bought out...

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Habs Expansion - Complete Picture

Especially with the addition of Nesterov... what does it mean for Beaulieu or Emelin? If we trade Bealieu, does it allow us to keep Emelin and Nesterov.

Does anyone have the complete picture of expansion players and rulings for Habs?

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Especially with the addition of Nesterov... what does it mean for Beaulieu or Emelin? If we trade Bealieu, does it allow us to keep Emelin and Nesterov.

Does anyone have the complete picture of expansion players and rulings for Habs?
Nesterov isn't a top four defenceman, why would it mean anything for those two? Very little chance LV would take Nesterov because of his RFA status and KHL threat.

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I get that... but there's some thought out there that Nesterov (still young) could take Beaulieu's spot or spell that Beaulieu could be moved. Whether you feel Nesterov is worthy of that spot or not, I'm asking what the expansion situation is for all these scenarios:

Keep Beaulieu, Emelin, Nesterov
Keep Emelin, Nesterov, Expose Beaulieu
Trade Beaulieu, keep Emelin, Nesterov - specifically this one, do we still have to expose one of Emelin or Nesterov?

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Beaulieu is way better than Nesterov.




We only protect 3 defenseman anyway. (Weber, Petry and Beaulieu/Emelin)

Nesterov situation has nothing to do with Beaulieu or Emelin.

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I'm somewhat satisfied. I mean it could be a lot more worse.

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The addition of Nesterov is absolutely inconsequential.

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I get that... but there's some thought out there that Nesterov (still young) could take Beaulieu's spot or spell that Beaulieu could be moved. Whether you feel Nesterov is worthy of that spot or not, I'm asking what the expansion situation is for all these scenarios:

Keep Beaulieu, Emelin, Nesterov
Keep Emelin, Nesterov, Expose Beaulieu
Trade Beaulieu, keep Emelin, Nesterov - specifically this one, do we still have to expose one of Emelin or Nesterov?
https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansi...es/c-281010592

Three defenceman will be protected (Weber, Petry [NMC], and one of Beaulieu/Emelin).

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Especially with the addition of Nesterov... what does it mean for Beaulieu or Emelin? If we trade Bealieu, does it allow us to keep Emelin and Nesterov.

Does anyone have the complete picture of expansion players and rulings for Habs?
check the first post, it has all the players that need to be protected vs exempt.

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Could we maybe move Petry to a team that has lots of exempt D or are short on decent defencemen? We could keep both Emelin and Beaulieu then.

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Could we maybe move Petry to a team that has lots of exempt D or are short on decent defencemen? We could keep both Emelin and Beaulieu then.
yes... lets trade our 2nd best defenseman to protect 2 useless defenseman instead... good plan...

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I get that... but there's some thought out there that Nesterov (still young) could take Beaulieu's spot or spell that Beaulieu could be moved. Whether you feel Nesterov is worthy of that spot or not, I'm asking what the expansion situation is for all these scenarios:

Keep Beaulieu, Emelin, Nesterov
Keep Emelin, Nesterov, Expose Beaulieu
Trade Beaulieu, keep Emelin, Nesterov - specifically this one, do we still have to expose one of Emelin or Nesterov?
If people actually think this they have no idea what Nesterov actually is. He has some upside but let's get real here. Beaulieu is younger and is much, much better. If Nesterov was what some people are making him out to be (replacing Beaulieu, come on...) he'd have fetched more than just a 6th and Racine.

We're keeping Weber, Petry and Beaulieu and Vegas is most definitely not wasting one of their picks on an RFA like Nesterov lmao.

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yes... lets trade our 2nd best defenseman to protect 2 useless defenseman instead... good plan...
Beaulieu has looked great more times than not compared to Petry who's look pretty bad for a while now. I don't know why you'd think Beaulieu is a "useless defenseman".

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Beaulieu has looked great more times than not compared to Petry who's look pretty bad for a while now. I don't know why you'd think Beaulieu is a "useless defenseman".
Beaulieu is terribly inconsistent... Petry has shown way more in his career and it's not even close. Beaulieu is not a lost cause but trading Petry would be awful.

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Beaulieu is terribly inconsistent... Petry has shown way more in his career and it's not even close. Beaulieu is not a lost cause but trading Petry would be awful.
Which is why you keep Weber, Petry and Beaulieu.

Beaulieu's inconsistent because he's young. This season, Petry has been terribly inconsistent as well, more so than Beaulieu, IMO.

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yes... lets trade our 2nd best defenseman to protect 2 useless defenseman instead... good plan...
Petry has not been our 2nd best defenceman. Both Markov and Emelin have been more reliable this season imo

And obviously Weber

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Unless there is some other trades... Weber, Petry, Beauleu will be the 3 defenseman protected. For those who are worried about losing Emelin, I wouldn't be. If your LV, your going after guys with term and under team control. Do LV really pick Emelin who has one year left and then can walk? That would not be a very smart pick up by them IMO.

There will be plenty of solid D for LV to pick from across the league. IMO, the Habs will lose a forward... Hudon or Plekanec (habs send a draft pick to have them pick Pleky). The Habs will not be losing any impact player as most of our key prospects are exempt due to 2 years or less of Pro experience.

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I'm still shocked at the number of people who think they might expose Beaulieu.

I would be stunned if they exposed a 24-year-old defenceman who logs 25 minutes of all-situation ice time. If so, I pretty much guarantee he's gone. And no, he is not nearly as replaceable as some seem to suggest.

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Unless there is some other trades... Weber, Petry, Beauleu will be the 3 defenseman protected. For those who are worried about losing Emelin, I wouldn't be. If your LV, your going after guys with term and under team control. Do LV really pick Emelin who has one year left and then can walk? That would not be a very smart pick up by them IMO.

There will be plenty of solid D for LV to pick from across the league. IMO, the Habs will lose a forward... Hudon or Plekanec (habs send a draft pick to have them pick Pleky). The Habs will not be losing any impact player as most of our key prospects are exempt due to 2 years or less of Pro experience.
Why wouldn't they take Emelin. They play him for a year and either re-sign him or trade him at the deadline for a 1st or 2nd. He'd be valuable at the deadline if he was having the season he this year.

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Especially with the addition of Nesterov... what does it mean for Beaulieu or Emelin? If we trade Bealieu, does it allow us to keep Emelin and Nesterov.

Does anyone have the complete picture of expansion players and rulings for Habs?
As of now the notables exposed are:

2 of Emelin, Beaulieu and Nesterov

2 of Plekanec, Hudon and Mitchell.

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I get that... but there's some thought out there that Nesterov (still young) could take Beaulieu's spot
"some thought there..."

You mean from bozos in the trade thread?

How is this "some thought out there?" Nobody with a shred of credibility has said any such thing.

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