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View Poll Results: What's Price's problem?
He's hurt 19 8.52%
He's having confidence problems 22 9.87%
His team D is letting him down 26 11.66%
He's bored 21 9.42%
He's sick of supporting the coaching staff 48 21.52%
He's beginning an inevitable physical decline 17 7.62%
It's a slump, chill out. 70 31.39%
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01-16-2017, 10:41 AM
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Why would he be fatigued though if he had so much time off last year? Wouldn't he be more recharged?
For sure

Condon has played 17 plus games in a row.

Budjai was at 23 and counting last I heard.

Holtby and Dubynk playing as often as Carey.

Carey Prices play is not because of fatigue. Give us a break.

If anything I would play him more as opposed to less to get him out of a funk.


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01-16-2017, 10:50 AM
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For sure

Condon has played 17 plus games in a row.

Budjai was at 23 and counting last I heard.

Carey Prices play is not because of fatigue. Give us break.
Budaj played 61 competitive hockey games last season, 37 this year.

Condon played 60 competitive hockey games last season, 21 this season.

Price played 12 competitive hockey games last season, 37 this season.

Notice anything different?

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For sure

Condon has played 17 plus games in a row.

Budjai was at 23 and counting last I heard.

Holtby and Dubynk playing as often as Carey.

Carey Prices play is not because of fatigue. Give us a break.

If anything I would play him more as opposed to less to get him out of a funk.
So you're comparing Budaj & Condon to Carey Price ?

You cannot be serious. A gut who won Junior Championship, Calder Cup, Olympic Gold and World Cup + Vezina Trophy and +....

No you cannot be serious.

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01-16-2017, 10:59 AM
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This thread makes my head hurt. Price is only an average goalie? He is being used to much?

How about this - he is in a slump, like all players go through. He has been average for 8 weeks...big deal.

This board is so quick to write players off - 6 weeks ago Patches was a bum, guys are questioning if Gallagher is done, Weber goes 10 game without a point and the nancies come out of the woodwork.

ALL players go through slumps, some even have full down years. Remember when Selanne was washed up? Roy used to be very streaky and had downright bad stretches in the regular season. Top players go 20-25 games playing poorly all the time, and usually revert back to the mean. That's what happened with Patches and that's what will happen with Price. And for that matter Gallagher.

Same goes for ****** players that go on a run, they almost always revert back. How is DSP doing in Jersey? Remember Rene Bourques quick start this year in Colorado? 3 points in his last 20 games. Bums will be bums and guys like Price will be awesome for years to come, save a bad stretch here and there.
Everyone knows this. You are right about Price.

And if Montreal had Kane, Kieth, Teows and Hossa habs fans would not panic like they do when Carey was not standing on his head.

If the habs had Crosby, Malkin , Kessel, Letang, those same Hab fans would not be pi$$ing all over their best player for not being their best player every period.

When you look at the all the true contenders........none of them refer to their goalie as their best player.

Some what explains the panic and the head scratching posts by some Canadiens fans.

Carey will be fine, and come play off time he will do what is expected of him. Will the other Canadiens do the same? That is the

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01-16-2017, 11:14 AM
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Maybe initially, but endurance is developed by increments, and a long layoff followed by a full dive in can mess you up.

And consider the high pressure, high intensity aspect of goaltending. There is a ton of mental fatigue that you can develop playing goal, the constant state of anticipation and awareness you need to maintain. Price has also been playing a lot of hockey starting with the World Cup. Its worth giving Montoya more starts now, especially with the level of competition, the offensive support and the points in the bank. Price needs to be physically and mentally fresh for the playoffs.
True and add on top of that the 'Montreal factor'.

Bill Durnan and Ken Dryden had short careers.

Folks remember how Patrick' Roy's Habs career ended.

Think of the Habs 5 Cup run in the late 1950ies and try to imagine Jacques Plante being sent to the minors the following season.

It happened and he was even booed in the minors...check it out...

Hero's Humiliation in Montreal

The life of a goaltender in Montreal.

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Maybe initially, but endurance is developed by increments, and a long layoff followed by a full dive in can mess you up.

And consider the high pressure, high intensity aspect of goaltending. There is a ton of mental fatigue that you can develop playing goal, the constant state of anticipation and awareness you need to maintain. Price has also been playing a lot of hockey starting with the World Cup. Its worth giving Montoya more starts now, especially with the level of competition, the offensive support and the points in the bank. Price needs to be physically and mentally fresh for the playoffs.
Okay, but look at the timing of this. Going into December Price had Godlike numbers the kind of which were record setting... then he just falls off a cliff? It's not like there was serious pressure on him when the slump began.

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When you look at the all the true contenders........none of them refer to their goalie as their best player.
2012 Quick was Kings best player. Without him they don't even sniff at the cup.

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So you're comparing Budaj & Condon to Carey Price ?

You cannot be serious. A gut who won Junior Championship, Calder Cup, Olympic Gold and World Cup + Vezina Trophy and +....

No you cannot be serious.
I think the point is that all those goalies have also played and they aren't fatigued.

I think fatigue is a weak excuse. Price is not on his game. As long as the W's keep coming it doesn't matter. Price doesn't need another Vezna. He needs a cup.

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Everyone knows this. You are right about Price.

And if Montreal had Kane, Kieth, Teows and Hossa habs fans would not panic like they do when Carey was not standing on his head.

If the habs had Crosby, Malkin , Kessel, Letang, those same Hab fans would not be pi$$ing all over their best player for not being their best player every period.

When you look at the all the true contenders........none of them refer to their goalie as their best player.

Some what explains the panic and the head scratching posts by some Canadiens fans.

Carey will be fine, and come play off time he will do what is expected of him. Will the other Canadiens do the same? That is the

question.
What is expected of Price in the playoffs though? Price has a .912 % career playoff and 2.62. I hope Price can be better than last time he played in the playoffs where he posted an .896 against TB.

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2012 Quick was Kings best player. Without him they don't even sniff at the cup.
LA gave up the fewest shots in the league and had the 2nd best possession numbers in the NHL. It wasn't a one way street.

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LA gave up the fewest shots in the league and had the 2nd best possession numbers in the NHL. It wasn't a one way street.
He faced pretty much the same workload as Brodeur or Lundquist. Best save % and best gaa, conn smythe winner. By far LA best player that year, not even debatable.

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He faced pretty much the same workload as Brodeur or Lundquist. Best save % and best gaa, conn smythe winner. By far LA best player that year, not even debatable.
That's one year though. Price carried the Habs for years in a way that Quick never had to. Even if the Kings don't win the cup without Quick in 2012 he still had a well oiled machine in front of him that Price could only dream about.

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That's one year though. Price carried the Habs for years in a way that Quick never had to. Even if the Kings don't win the cup without Quick in 2012 he still had a well oiled machine in front of him that Price could only dream about.
Doesn't change the fact that you can win a cup with your goalie being the best player. We've seen it happen.


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Price is human. He is not the best goalie in the world but has been one of the best for many seasons now. Lets let Price be Price.

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Doesn't change the fact that you win a cup with your goalie being the best player. We've seen it happen.
On that point I definitely agree. Your best player can be any position, as long as they're elite and can lead the way that's what matters.

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Budaj played 61 competitive hockey games last season, 37 this year.

Condon played 60 competitive hockey games last season, 21 this season.

Price played 12 competitive hockey games last season, 37 this season.

Notice anything different?
Everyone had a summer off . Season starts in September at camp.

He is in a slump for pete sakes !

Hockeys Doctors trying to diagnose a drop in performance.

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He faced pretty much the same workload as Brodeur or Lundquist. Best save % and best gaa, conn smythe winner. By far LA best player that year, not even debatable.
Yes he was no doubt. But then or now or at any time would Quick have been considered the Kings best player. Or paid like it.

Price has been the best player on the Montreal Candiens for years. Will be paid like it soon.

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What is expected of Price in the playoffs though? Price has a .912 % career playoff and 2.62. I hope Price can be better than last time he played in the playoffs where he posted an .896 against TB.
To make the saves he needs to make. To limit or eliminate the soft goals. Whether its 1-1 or 4-4 he doers not give up the back breaking goal. I expect Price not to "plekanec" through a series.

Billy Smith was a money goalie. Crawford was unbelievable in the hawks last two cups. Belfour might have played two of the best rounds i have ever seen come play off time. One when he was in Dallas in the finals against Jersey....and lost.
One for the Loafs in a seven game series against Ottawa.

Thomas and Price were both dynamite in the 011 seven game first round series. Price lost but played fantastic.

He will be there come play offs. My question is not about him. Will Max stept it up ? I know pleks wont. DD wont. Markov? Chucky? Weber?

Only place I have zero concern come play off time with the Canadiens....is with Carey Price.


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Price is human. He is not the best goalie in the world but has been one of the best for many seasons now. Lets let Price be Price.
Exactly.

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No.

If you take a year off doing something at the highest level, your body doesn't just go back to being able to handle that identical load at that level again.

If you take a year break from marathon running and all you can do is some mild jogging, and short distances.. eventually, when you're back to running marathons, your body will fatigue quicker because it lost a lot of endurance.

It happens a lot with injured players. They come back from an injury, a long lay off, they are on fire.. and then it dwindles, they lose themselves for awhile, then they adjust and come back to form.
So they have a slump.

Like players who did not have a the prior year off?

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Good game from him today. Hopefully something to build off of.

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Price is human. He is not the best goalie in the world but has been one of the best for many seasons now. Lets let Price be Price.
I think he's still the best goalie in the world.

He's just the best goalie in the world in front of the worst defence in the NHL (or close to it) not playing at his best.

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So they have a slump.

Like players who did not have a the prior year off?
Yes, there's a 'slump' or a drop off in performance when the level of physical exertion catches up to an individual

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I think the point is that all those goalies have also played and they aren't fatigued.

I think fatigue is a weak excuse. Price is not on his game. As long as the W's keep coming it doesn't matter. Price doesn't need another Vezna. He needs a cup.
Fatigue is very much a real thing. There's a reason why goaltenders who aren't seasoned in juniors struggle when they come to North America. An 82 game season is a lot to handle. 72 games is a good number for players to adjust to it which is why the AHL and CHL is designed the way it is. If you think coming back and playing as many games as Price has, which is more or the same as anyone in the league factoring the World Cup, preseason, and league play after missing a full calendar year doesn't wear an athlete down, you're being ignorant. Price is almost certainly battling threw it. It would be nice if he was handling it a little better but it is what it is.

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Okay, but look at the timing of this. Going into December Price had Godlike numbers the kind of which were record setting... then he just falls off a cliff? It's not like there was serious pressure on him when the slump began.
He played the highest level of hockey at god-like numbers from September-December after not playing a game of hockey since November 2015 before that. It was all bound to catch up to him eventually. He's fatigued. He's human. Fatigue sets in. You get injured for a long time, you return, have a hot stretch, but eventually the fatigue sets in because it's so radically different from the routine you've been doing for 10 months and your body isn't used to it. Then you readjust and you bounce back.

That's what will happen with Carey. Hopefully it's sooner than the February break, and personally I hope he doesn't attend the All-Star Break due to "injury" (wink wink nudge nudge) and he's really back into his Carey Price God mode for the rest of the season.

It doesn't help that this year's schedule is wildly compressed due to the WCOH, these bye weeks and the All-Star Break. So many games are clustered together.

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