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02-01-2006, 12:07 PM
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Jokinen on the move?

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I see him in Calgary, especially with Sutter missing out big time on Weight.

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If I was the Sens I'd offer

To Florida
Vermette
Bochenski
Lyamin
Mirnov
2nd rd pick

To Ottawa
Jokinen
Gelinas or Roberts

I think that should be enough to get a deal done. I don't see many other teams topping that offer.

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Who DON'T you see in Calgary?

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This is the type of player Calgary sorely needs for a playoff run. A number one center.

That said, I CANNOT see him in Calgary. Sutter has been preaching depth and I think we'll see him make moves with that in mind.

Additionally, I don't think we can top any offer that Ottawa makes. I'd guess that the Panthers would want developed (NHL ready) prospects and Ottawa has better ones than Calgary. The only one that is remotely in that boat is Eric Nystrom, and I don't see why the Cats would want him.

It's a nice thought though.

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[QUOTE=OMA]This is the type of player Calgary sorely needs for a playoff run. A number one center.

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Agreed and plus theres not a better system that he would fit in than Sutters. Flames have enough depth this year to make a big move like this. Everyone knows, if the Flames want to become elite, they need that #1C. You simply cannot win a cup without one.

This is why the Flames will get him. sutter has said, he only wants to trade for a centre if he can sign him long term, and this is the guy. Plus, I think Hesulius-Jokinen-Iginla would be a pretty sweet line. Jok and Iggy play similar type games and didnt Hes and Jok play together back in FLA?

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If I was the Sens I'd offer

To Florida
Vermette
Bochenski
Lyamin
Mirnov
2nd rd pick

To Ottawa
Jokinen
Gelinas or Roberts

I think that should be enough to get a deal done. I don't see many other teams topping that offer.

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02-01-2006, 12:24 PM
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The only one that is remotely in that boat is Eric Nystrom, and I don't see why the Cats would want him.

It's a nice thought though.
Giordano, R. Regehr, Chucko, Ramholt, etc. Theres a reason why Giordano was brought up.

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Agreed and plus theres not a better system that he would fit in than Sutters.

This is why the Flames will get him. sutter has said, he only wants to trade for a centre if he can sign him long term, and this is the guy. Plus, I think Hesulius-Jokinen-Iginla would be a pretty sweet line. Jok and Iggy play similar type games and didnt Hes and Jok play together back in FLA?
You make a point. But how can Calgary outbid Ottawa for him? It seems like the general concensus is that Ottawa is going to cough up either Bochenski or Vermette as the centerpiece of any deal. Maybe another high end prospect and some picks too.

What does Calgary have that can match that? Nystrom? Not as a centerpiece. Chucko? He's still 3 years away I'd imagine. Dustin Boyd? Perhaps, but unlikely.

So then you move to the roster. You could cough up one of Kobasew or Lombardi. I can see Sutter trading Kobasew, but not for a pending UFA in Jokinen.

I just don't see a deal there. What do you propose? (Nystrom, Reinprecht and change isn't gonna do it....)

EDIT: I didn't see your second post. Those guys are not comparable to Ottawa's guys. Maybe Nystrom, but he wouldn't be the primary guy in any deal. Maybe Chucko. Ramholt has minimal value at this point, I'd be surprised if he ever comes over. Also, Giordano was called up because Hamrlik is gone for the next month with a hand injury

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sure, he's got a proven track record as a playoff warhorse
...renting a young talent (and he is very good) is a risk. ...and a UFA

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I want to win the Stanly Cup and Jokinen is the type of player that could do it for us, Its not like the sens are giving up much.

Vermette:Replaced by Kaigorodov
Bochenski: Could be a bust but could score 30 goals
Mirnov: We have no space for him
Lyamin: There are other Russian D-men in the system that I like more (Megalinski)
2nd rd pick: It will be 60th overall

This offer is what Id be willing to go up to in a bidding war. This would not be my initial offer as I think Jokinen and one of Roberts/Gelinas could go for less. The offer I proposed is my last one that I would think no team could match.

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What does Calgary have that can match that? ...)
I see possibly Langkow going the other way. 1st rd pk and Ramholt.

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What, no Reiprecht + 2nd offers from Flames fans?

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I see possibly Langkow going the other way. 1st rd pk and Ramholt.
Keep Langkow, he has absolutely no value.

Flames really couldnt top a deal from the Sens. Infact alot of teams could top the Flames efforts, they simply dont have any prospects/expendable good young players the panthers would really want.

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I see possibly Langkow going the other way. 1st rd pk and Ramholt.
Fair enough. The only way Sutter does that though is if he is sure that he can keep Jokinen at the end of the year. I don't even know if that's something the Panthers would want though. Langkow isn't exactly young.

I don't know, call me a pessimist....but I don't see a number one center coming to Calgary. Just some depth and role players (ie, Nilson, Niemenen and Simon last year), with a backup goalie too.

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Keep Langkow, he has absolutely no value.

Flames really couldnt top a deal from the Sens. Infact alot of teams could top the Flames efforts, they simply dont have any prospects/expendable good young players the panthers would really want.
Well if I was Sutter, I wouldnt be willing to deal Lombardi (this kids going to be a star), but Kobasew yes.

Id give up Kobasew (centerpiece), 1st, R. Regehr.

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Would you say there's a 90% chance he's going to Ottawa?

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Jokinen explores the FA Market this summer for sure ... He is the cream of the Crop.

I really hope he doesn't go to Ottawa.

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Would you say there's a 90% chance he's going to Ottawa?
Because they missed out on Weight - No.
Another source - maybe.

I would bet that Philly could offer as much as Ottawa - If not much more ... they do not want to see the Sens get any better.

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I don't see Jokinen being traded before the trade deadline (if he is moved at all). The Panthers are not out of the playoff picture yet, so they would be foolish to trade him now.

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Well if I was Sutter, I wouldnt be willing to deal Lombardi (this kids going to be a star), but Kobasew yes.

Id give up Kobasew (centerpiece), 1st, R. Regehr.
Something im missing? You'd offer Regehr as well? Im confused here.

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http://v2.hockeybuzz.com/eblog/Default.aspx

I see him in Calgary, especially with Sutter missing out big time on Weight.
Plus Eklund just throws out every and any name ... thought his rumors were banned around here anyway.

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Something im missing? You'd offer Regehr as well? Im confused here.
Richie Regehr, Robyn's younger brother. He's NHL ready (He's 23 years old) and looks like he'll be a solid #5 at some point in his career. Outside potential at being a top 4 guy.

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I don't see Jokinen being traded before the trade deadline (if he is moved at all). The Panthers are not out of the playoff picture yet, so they would be foolish to trade him now.
The Canucks might be willing to make a pitch for him. And they might offer up an equal value player that would help the Panthers continue their playoff drive. I am suggesting a Brendan Morrison for Jokinen trade. Maybe draft picks might have to be included on both sides but it is a deal that I think would help both teams out.

I don't think Florida is "rebuilding" but simply wanting to improve. But they also want their players under contract. Morrison is a little older, more playoff experience and his salary is higher but he is locked up for a few years.

Jokinen can walk away in the summer so the Canucks would be risking losing him for nothing but honestly they need the cap space and might just welcome this type of short-term rental.

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Richie Regehr, Robyn's younger brother. He's NHL ready and looks like he'll be a solid #5 at some point in his career. Outside potential at being a top 4 guy.
Lol, ah that explains it. Im not clued up on him . I knew Papa sometimes goes over the top, but Robyn, a 1st and Kobasew would be crazy.
Stil dont think the Flames have what we want.

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