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01-24-2017, 08:23 AM
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Did you also see the type of shots they gave up? Most from boards. Low danger shots.
This is just not true. Lots of HD shots, Hank was incredible.

According to naturalstattrick they had 18 HDCF 5v5 and 41 SCF 5v5, those are ridiculous numbers.

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01-24-2017, 08:49 AM
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Can we wait more than one game before we say he's back?

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01-24-2017, 08:56 AM
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Can we wait more than one game before we say he's back?
Yes. We waited three.

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01-24-2017, 08:57 AM
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Can we wait more than one game before we say he's back?
This from the guy who anointed Buchnevich as the best forward on the roster after 10 career games?

Look, people are happy with his play not only because of the results, but that's 3 games where he's gradually looked more like himself and the signs are there of him coming back to his normal Hank form. His movements are good, he's tracking the puck very well and he doesn't seem off balance when making saves or like he's guessing. He looks good.

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01-24-2017, 09:04 AM
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We are up to .906

Still some ways to go but I'm optimistic (albeit cautiously )

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01-24-2017, 10:28 AM
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We are up to .906

Still some ways to go but I'm optimistic (albeit cautiously )

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I'm cautiously optimistic, but I need to see some sustained success. Five, six, seven games in a row of good play.

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01-24-2017, 11:21 AM
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I'm happy that he identified the focus problem. He seems to be tracking shots better and he's moving better laterally in the crease.

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01-24-2017, 11:23 AM
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he seems to be playing better, but IMO he was still a little bit shaky at times. I think his confidence is still fragile right now.

Raanta being out is a blessing in disguise for Hank so he can work through this.

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01-24-2017, 12:34 PM
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I'm cautiously optimistic, but I need to see some sustained success. Five, six, seven games in a row of good play.
Now it's five, six, seven games? You literally said the other day that you want to see four solid games in a row.

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I'll celebrate if he can manage to string together four performances. It's a start, however.
He's at three now...3-0-0, 1.33 GAA, .952 SV%, 1 SO

Hopefully he has a strong game versus the Flyers tomorrow, but apparently that won't be good enough for you now, needs five or six more games in a row of stellar play.

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01-24-2017, 12:40 PM
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I feel like there should be a Defcon rating

Peak Goalie Crisis
Goal Crisis
Not quite as consistent
He's Average
Decline
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01-24-2017, 12:41 PM
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Now it's five, six, seven games? You literally said the other day that you want to see four solid games in a row.
Uh, yeah. As a start. You do understand that this is only the third time all season he put together three straight good games, right?

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He's at three now...3-0-0, 1.33 GAA, .952 SV%, 1 SO

Hopefully he has a strong game versus the Flyers tomorrow, but apparently that won't be good enough for you now, needs five or six more games in a row of stellar play.
Right. So now he's at the third time. Let's see him sustain this for a bit. Otherwise, it'll just be another blip of good performance with falling back down.

Are you seriously so biased that you accept that kind of lack of consistency? Do you think he deserves a gold star or something? Shake your head all you want.



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01-24-2017, 01:29 PM
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Uh, yeah. As a start. You do understand that this is only the third time all season he put together three straight good games, right?

Are you seriously so biased that you accept that kind of lack of consistency? Do you think he deserves a gold star or something? Shake your head all you want.

Define "good" - these are 6 good to great 3 game sets. I'm the first to admit that this is his shakiest year to date, but let's all take a step back. The guy has been as consistent as this position has EVER seen over the course of his career.

10/22 2GA .929
10/23 2GA .931
10/26 2GA .931

11/1 0GA 1.000
11/3 3GA .875
11/6 1GA .923

11/12 1GA .972
11/15 2GA .947
11/18 3GA .870

11/25 2GA .952
11/29 2GA .929
12/1 4GA .882

12/15 0GA 1.000
12/17 1GA .969
12/17 2GA .935

1/19 2GA .920
1/22 0 GA 1.000
1/23 2GA .947

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01-24-2017, 02:04 PM
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Define "good" - these are 6 good to great 3 game sets. I'm the first to admit that this is his shakiest year to date, but let's all take a step back. The guy has been as consistent as this position has EVER seen over the course of his career.

10/22 2GA .929
10/23 2GA .931
10/26 2GA .931

11/1 0GA 1.000
11/3 3GA .875
11/6 1GA .923

11/12 1GA .972
11/15 2GA .947
11/18 3GA .870

11/25 2GA .952
11/29 2GA .929
12/1 4GA .882

12/15 0GA 1.000
12/17 1GA .969
12/17 2GA .935

1/19 2GA .920
1/22 0 GA 1.000
1/23 2GA .947
Wrong. There are three good to great 3-game stretches.

Lol @ the idea of a .870 being "good to great". Talk about re-defining something. Dear Lord.

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01-24-2017, 02:07 PM
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Wrong. There are three good to great 3-game stretches.

Lol @ the idea of a .870 being "good to great". Talk about re-defining something. Dear Lord.
Over the course of the season, .87 isn't good. It can be good in a single game however. I hate using sv℅ on a per game basis. Just too much variation from game to game.

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01-24-2017, 02:16 PM
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Over the course of the season, .87 isn't good. It can be good in a single game however. I hate using sv℅ on a per game basis. Just too much variation from game to game.
If we're evaluating goalies in a game-by-game basis, I'd prefer goals saved above expected.



I have no idea how this compares to other goalies, but here's Price for good measure:


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Wrong. There are three good to great 3-game stretches.

Lol @ the idea of a .870 being "good to great". Talk about re-defining something. Dear Lord.
Anything under .910 is mediocre to me. Anything under .900 over a 3 game stretch is just bad for an elite goalie.

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Wrong. There are three good to great 3-game stretches.

Lol @ the idea of a .870 being "good to great". Talk about re-defining something. Dear Lord.
So... .870 means the goalie sucked no matter what? And YOU are talking about redefining something? LOL.

Have a look at Carey Price's game by game stats and talk to me some more about good to great 3 game stretches (let's say .920+ for three games in a row like you're judging Henrik's "sets" by).

How many does Carey have? .920 or better, three games in a row?

Answer: 3.

I guess he sucks too and needs to be more consistent.

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01-24-2017, 03:19 PM
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So... .870 means the goalie sucked no matter what? And YOU are talking about redefining something? LOL.

Have a look at Carey Price's game by game stats and talk to me some more about good to great 3 game stretches (let's say .920+ for three games in a row like you're judging Henrik's "sets" by).

How many does Carey have? .920 or better, three games in a row?

Answer: 3.

I guess he sucks too and needs to be more consistent.
Carey Price has struggled this year at times. Would anyone really debate that? His stats are down across the board.

Listen. I get that you want to white knight for Hank. You do it all the time. But if you seriously think that SV%s of .870 unless certain circumstances exist are "good to great", I can do nothing more the laugh. It's comical at that point.

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Every night you see a goalie give up 3 goals on less than 30 shots. That's under .90 right there. That type of game happens to every goalie many times per season.

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So... .870 means the goalie sucked no matter what? And YOU are talking about redefining something? LOL.

Have a look at Carey Price's game by game stats and talk to me some more about good to great 3 game stretches (let's say .920+ for three games in a row like you're judging Henrik's "sets" by).

How many does Carey have? .920 or better, three games in a row?

Answer: 3.

I guess he sucks too and needs to be more consistent.
There is a huge gap between .870 and .920 for a goalie.

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I mean, Peter ****ing Budaj has put up more games in a row with "good to great" stats.

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Every night you see a goalie give up 3 goals on less than 30 shots. That's under .90 right there. That type of game happens to every goalie many times per season.
Right. It's average. If anything, it's hard to call it even good, but that's my minimum baseline.

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Give up two goals on 16 shots. That's .875. Save only five more shots and you're back over .90. This is why sv℅ on an individual game basis is useless.

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Right. It's average. If anything, it's hard to call it even good, but that's my minimum baseline.
I expect more from the best paid goalie in the world than average performance. I expect his season sv% to be over .920.

And before people start talking about the defense... If Lundqvist can't make a difference because the defense is bad, he is not worth his contract.

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Carey Price numbers are sub 900 for 2 months now. He has been equally bad if not worse than Hank.


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