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Jack Eichel = The most underrated player in the world

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01-24-2017, 08:58 PM
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Jack Eichel = The most underrated player in the world

Before Sabres fans groan and I couldnt care less if they do....





Tell me?

Would eichel be top five in scoring right now if he didn't get hurt? You know the kid who's 20 that many said just a week ago is simply not good enough despite producing over a hundred shots on goal, 11 goals 20 points in just 25 games this season. His second season and coming off a horrible injury that depletes ones game significantly.

How many guys could be compared to Connor mcdavid, put up over 50 pts in their rookie season on then the worst team offensively and in the standings and still NOT be nominated for the Calder.

Completely forgotten about due to injury at the beginning of the year.

All I see about Eichel is how he isn't in the same league as Matthews and now even marner.

What else does he have to do?

EIchel dominates. Period.

EIchel is elite.

Sabres without eichel are the worst offensive team in the league three years in a row.

With him there top 6 on the power play moved up five spots in offense and are coollectively as a team 46-44.

12-9 this year.


Those numbers while not amazing are extremely good why?

Because before that without EIchel the Sabres won just 43 games.....in the past two seasons combined .....yes in over 160 games.

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01-24-2017, 08:59 PM
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eichel's good

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Not a chance. That honour belongs to Shuhei Kuji.

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didn't we just have a thread saying he was overrated?

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Well I mean... he's no Taro Tsujimoto...

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Wow 0.426 FO%. That's horrible.
How can he dominate when he can't win his first battle and has to chase right off the bat?

Would he be better suited as a winger? He has a great shot for a winger.
He can be used in the mold of ala Patrik Laine.

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I thought this was gonna be an overrated thread when I saw eichel.

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Would love to have him on my team

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How Eichel can be looked at as overrated is one of many of of the disgusting things that helped inspire this thread.

Yeah second year player who helps his teams winning percentage by more then anyone who has essentially a point per game coming off a broken ankle at the age or 20. NOt good enough!!!


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Wow 0.426 FO%. That's horrible.
How can he dominate when he can't win his first battle and has to chase right off the bat?
His numbers considering that should be even more impressive.

So yes one should ask that question. Dude must have some insane talent to generate he amount of offense he does without starting off with the puck.

That's incredible.

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His numbers considering that should be even more impressive.

So yes one should ask that question. Dude must have some insane talent to generate he amount of offense he does without starting off with the puck.

That's incredible.

You're right!!
That has me convinced.
I must watch more Sabres games to see how this magician does it....he must be like Datsyuk with take-aways.

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Better than Matthews.

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Everyone on here will say that Eichel is currently an average 2C with elite 1C upside.

People who are high on him may call him a high end 2C, but no one reasonable would say that he is already one of the top 30 centers in the league at this point in his career.

If your argument also includes that he will soon be a top 5 player in the league than your opinion is baseless. Literally no one ever said that Eichel was gonna be a uber dominant player. His draft was a big deal because he was as good as most 1st OA's when he was gonna be a 2OA. Last time I checked being of 1OA quality doesn't guarantee you spot in the hockey hall of fame.

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Better than Matthews.
Nope

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Well I mean... he's no Taro Tsujimoto...
Not even worth comparing

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Nope
Yup.

Sabres are worse.

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not even the most underrated player on his line tbh

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Wow 0.426 FO%. That's horrible.
How can he dominate when he can't win his first battle and has to chase right off the bat?

Would he be better suited as a winger? He has a great shot for a winger.
He can be used in the mold of ala Patrik Laine.
In fairness, that's right around Malkin's career average.

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Yup.

Sabres are worse.
Well with that logic I guess Mackinnon is the best player in the world!

If anything he is overrated

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01-24-2017, 09:24 PM
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also faceoffs literally don't even matter

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Before Sabres fans groan and I couldnt care less if they do....





Tell me?

Would eichel be top five in scoring right now if he didn't get hurt? You know the kid who's 20 that many said just a week ago is simply not good enough despite producing over a hundred shots on goal, 11 goals 20 points in just 25 games this season. His second season and coming off a horrible injury that depletes ones game significantly.

How many guys could be compared to Connor mcdavid, put up over 50 pts in their rookie season on then the worst team offensively and in the standings and still NOT be nominated for the Calder.

Completely forgotten about due to injury at the beginning of the year.

All I see about Eichel is how he isn't in the same league as Matthews and now even marner.

What else does he have to do?

EIchel dominates. Period.

EIchel is elite.

Sabres without eichel are the worst offensive team in the league three years in a row.

With him there top 6 on the power play moved up five spots in offense and are coollectively as a team 46-44.

12-9 this year.


Those numbers while not amazing are extremely good why?

Because before that without EIchel the Sabres won just 43 games.....in the past two seasons combined .....yes in over 160 games.
By a logical person ? 0 newcomers can be compared to McDavid.

He is not elite, his hockey IQ needs work. He has the raw talent and athleticism no doubt, he needs to learn how to put it together to be more effective. Amazing skater, excellent shot but needs major work at D and decision making. The positive is, his weaknesses are areas that can be worked on so he still has a lot of potential.

He is currently not an elite player but if he is worked with properly and develops his all around game he can become an elite player.

As for the Marner comment, it's really not that close. If you evaluate both guys games and disregard draft position and pre-draft hype, it becomes pretty clear. I pointed it out earlier in a thread. Eichel's strongest aspect is supposed to be his offense and Marner is averaging more than 1 more point per 60 than Eichel. In fact Marner is averaging more even strength points per 60, than Eichel is averaging total points per 60. His defensive game is also better than Eichel's currently.

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Thread not needed, everyone knows how good he is. Don't be insecure cause of leaf fans.

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Do you have any points you'd like to bring up ? Or are you just gonna babble random stuff ? Other than Eichel was taken 2nd overall, do you have any legit points ? He's being outproduced offensively and outplayed defensively.
I'll take that as a yes

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