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01-25-2017, 09:51 PM
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How are the Avs so bad?

They're on pace to be worse than the two historically horrible tank teams Buffalo deliberately put on the ice, devoid of almost any decent NHL players. The Avs have some real talent - Mackinnon, Landeskog, Duchene, Soderberg, Johnson, Barrie, Varlamov/Pickard


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01-25-2017, 09:53 PM
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They contracted Oileritis, the loser mentality is strong with them.

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They contracted Oileritis, the loser mentality is strong with them.
similar structure. all flash, no D. doesn't work.

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The team has straight up quit. I do find it surprising how bad they are, somewhat fascinating.

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Poor defense and goaltending. There's not much else to add. You can't win games without those things.

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Poor defense and goaltending. There's not much else to add. You can't win games without those things.
Along with poor coaching and poor management.

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01-25-2017, 09:57 PM
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Poor defense and goaltending. There's not much else to add. You can't win games without those things.
please even price wouldn't save this team. I hate when people blame goalies in this situation. avs D gives up more odd man chances then you have fingers every night. its insane to blame varlomov.

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01-25-2017, 10:00 PM
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Their best dman is Barrie and has been playing over his head. Middle pairing D playing as a top pairing D

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I mean, from their GDT:

Tyutin-Zadorov
Beauchemin-Goloubef
Wiercioch-Gelinas

Prime Hasek would have a hard time winning games behind that.

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Their best dman is Barrie and has been playing over his head. Middle pairing D playing as a top pairing D
He definitely is not. That would be Johnson. Barrie's never been our best Dman.

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01-25-2017, 10:02 PM
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Patrick Roy was actually a good NHL coach.

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01-25-2017, 10:05 PM
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Iginla is a cancer just a poor leader

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01-25-2017, 10:06 PM
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And poor leadership.

Captain Landeskog has always cared more about his hair than about leading by example.





In recent years, Duchene has been praised for becoming better defensively.
Landeskog has not made the same commitment to defense.
Defense is not only played by defensemen.


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01-25-2017, 10:08 PM
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please even price wouldn't save this team. I hate when people blame goalies in this situation. avs D gives up more odd man chances then you have fingers every night. its insane to blame varlomov.
And I hate when people can't see that it's both. I didn't solely blame the goaltending. Yes, the D has been far worse than Varly, but he hasn't looked great either. It's a combination of things that, quite frankly, leads to a bad hockey club. Can't be fun being an Avs fan right now. I know the feeling.

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01-25-2017, 10:09 PM
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Iginla is a cancer just a poor leader
Not possible. He was amazing leader in Calgary.

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01-25-2017, 10:11 PM
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And I hate when people can't see that it's both. I didn't solely blame the goaltending. Yes, the D has been far worse than Varly, but he hasn't looked great either. It's a combination of things that, quite frankly, leads to a bad hockey club. Can't be fun being an Avs fan right now. I know the feeling.
Even if Varlamov stood on his head, the team would barely be above .500. The team has a million holes to fill, but goalies aren't one of them.

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01-25-2017, 10:13 PM
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why isn't the coach getting his fair share of blame? on pace for the worst point total since the shootout era

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01-25-2017, 10:15 PM
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I mean, from their GDT:

Tyutin-Zadorov
Beauchemin-Goloubef
Wiercioch-Gelinas

Prime Hasek would have a hard time winning games behind that.
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MacKinnon, Duchene, Landeskog and Rantanen are fine. Uninterested at times, which is understandable, but they're pretty much the only guys who you can see are good players.

But other than that, their offense just sucks. It's not like they have a bunch of young guys not ready for the NHL, instead they have a bunch of dead weight. Iginla is useless 5on5, Colborne is terrible, Grigorenko probably isn't an NHLer let alone top 6 forward, Mitchell has 1 point in 38 games, Martinsen doesn't belong in the NHL, Comeau could probably still be a decent bottom 6'er on a team that cares but he's useless on the Avs, Soderberg looks like he doesn't even want to play anymore, Bourque sucks...

So you have all these guys who either shouldn't be in the NHL in the first place, don't give a damn at this point in their careers or just old.

And then the blueline..

Beauchemin-Golobeuf
Tyutin-Zadorov
Wiercoch-Gelinas

This is probably the worst defense i've seen a long time. When pretty much your whole defense apart from 1-2 guys wouldn't even make the 3rd pairing on a winning team, you know it's bad.

Also Varlamov is in and out due to injuries and Pickard isn't more than a decent backup.

The Avs were still winning some games here and there when they had Johnson and Barrie in the lineup. Those guys along with Zadorov at least give you a decent 1-3 d-men, and the young guys up front can capitalize on some chances here and there, but overall this team is just so bad.

And it's not like they should have the potential to play better. They're just bad. One of the worst NHL teams i've seen in a while.

To put this into perspective, IMO the Coyotes are clearly the better team. That's saying quite a lot. At least they have some type of depth and capable NHL'ers throughout the lineup.


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01-25-2017, 10:20 PM
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They have more players who belong in the AHL than in the NHL.

It doesn't matter how good your top end players are if half your roster doesn't belong in the NHL.

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01-25-2017, 10:20 PM
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It seems there is a thread about this very topic every week. Yes, they are crap. Let's move along!

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01-25-2017, 10:21 PM
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As stated. Look at the defense we've been icing. That's basically tanking. Can't tell me that's competitive.

Even with Barrie. After EJ got hurt seems like we've won like 5 games lol.

Zadorov-Barrie
Tyutin-Beauch
Weircoch-Gelinas/Golubef

Not winning games with that.

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01-25-2017, 10:21 PM
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It seems there is a thread about this very topic every week. Yes, they are crap. Let's move along!
This is what im wondering - why people even ask the question when they see that lineup

Sorry

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01-25-2017, 10:26 PM
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Nothing personal Avs but I'm cheering for you to finish below 50 points. It could be the only time for the rest of this century that a team finishes that low in an 82 game season. I'm also cheering for you to draft the player that improves your team the most.

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Combine:

A rookie coach who had no time to prepare in the off-season

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A mediocre team with a ton of under performers (Soderberg, Iginla, Colborne, Beauchemin)

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