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01-26-2017, 07:39 AM
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At this point I'm fully expecting this team to be historically bad, only to lose the lottery and draft 4th OA. It's been that kind of season
Yes please. Let a team who hasn't collected top picks have a shot at some talent. The Avs have high end pieces already, they just need better depth.

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01-26-2017, 07:44 AM
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They had opportunities to pick Sergachev, chychrun, McAvoy. Instead they went with Jost lol

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Because Sakic, Forsberg, & Roy all retired???

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They had opportunities to pick Sergachev, chychrun, McAvoy. Instead they went with Jost lol
And IMO, unless they want to go with Liljegren (sp?) in the draft, Patrick won't solve any problems... especially if Duchene ends up getting traded.

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They had opportunities to pick Sergachev, chychrun, McAvoy. Instead they went with Jost lol
Check your facts. Plus they need forwards as much if not more than D. And Jost is pretty damn good FTR.

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They had opportunities to pick Sergachev, chychrun, McAvoy. Instead they went with Jost lol
1) Sergachev went before their pick
2) Jost is over a point per game as a freshman in college
3) You don't pick for whatever your perceived big club's positional needs are at 10th overall in the draft

They made a good pick there.

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The D is bad, the goaltending is bad but

Jared Bednar is far and away the biggest issue. The team quit on him a month or so into the season. He is the worst coach in the NHL. People talk about this team being historically bad, and that's a fact, but Bednar is an historically bad coach that was given a job he didn't deserve. Sakic has no idea what he is doing on many fronts and Roy did leave him in a bad spot when he left, leaving Sakic little time and even fewer options, but Bednar doesn't belong in this league and is the biggest problem of many. Sakic being the bigger problem only because he hired him
It would be nice to see the Avs coached by an experienced coach.

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They're on pace to be worse than the two historically horrible tank teams Buffalo deliberately put on the ice, devoid of almost any decent NHL players. The Avs have some real talent - Mackinnon, Landeskog, Duchene, Soderberg, Johnson, Barrie, Varlamov/Pickard

All of them were overrated at some point to some degree. Flashes in the pan, play amazing for a few games then duds the next.

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They had opportunities to pick Sergachev, chychrun, McAvoy. Instead they went with Jost lol
Yes...Avs fans are so upset with the Jost pick

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That defense and goaltending are absolutely horrible. They get 1st pick this year, use it on a defenseman.

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The head coach quit in August. When does a coach ever just walk away from a team, let alone in the dead of summer, after everyone else already has a job?

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01-26-2017, 09:05 AM
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Check your facts. Plus they need forwards as much if not more than D. And Jost is pretty damn good FTR.
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1) Sergachev went before their pick
2) Jost is over a point per game as a freshman in college
3) You don't pick for whatever your perceived big club's positional needs are at 10th overall in the draft

They made a good pick there.
What good is Jost doing in college when Chychrun is already in the NHL playing pretty well? Last time I checked the reason the Avs are doing so bad is because of their defense.

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The team is a mess right now because of a number of factors. They overestimated their hand after the miraculous 2014 season, and instead of building on what made them successful (being a young, enthusiastic group) they tried to fast forward to the end steps of the rebuild by adding Stuart and Iginla, and they also lost a big leader in Stastny. What's crazy is that the team could be totally different had a few things been different. The Avs were rumoured to be quite close to acquiring James Neal, which likely means no Iginla. They were also very close to signing Kevin Hayes, but refused to guarantee him a spot in the NHL. Who know, maybe if they get Hayes they also end up getting Vessey. On top of that, they panicked when they couldn't sign Orpik, Stralman, etc and acquired Stuart...and then re-signed him immediately. The Avs honestly would have been better off just sitting on what they had and adding pieces to continue building on the depth of the team.
Avs management has also always seemed to frown down on depth players, like they are dime a dozen and don't really matter. They've let a lot of effective depth players leave the team for one reason or another and instead of filling them with more good depth players they throw a random AHLer in there. Add to that, the team is build completely wrong and the depth players they've added don't help to emphasize their strengths.
If you had a team where Duchene and MacKinnon are your best players, and the best success you've had has been quick breakouts and taking advantage on the rush what would you add to emphasize this? How about a bunch of slow giants? That seems like a good idea. Iginla is basically useless at this point, he can't accept a pass, he won't forecheck, defense isn't in his vocabulary. He's basically good for one thing, shooting the puck if no one is around him. Beauchemin went from looking like a good signing to a dreadful after burning out over half of his first season. Now he still gets fed monster minutes, but he passes like he is playing soccer (straight into the skates), pinches when he is ineffective offensively, and his defensive coverage consists of him covering everything but the opposite team. Colborne and Soderberg have both been extremely ineffective. Then there's just the rest of the hot garbage.

The Avs should be used as a massive lesson on the importance of depth, as well as appropriate identification of the strengths and weaknesses of your team. They are also a lesson on not needing to make a big move every off-season.

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What good is Jost doing in college when Chychrun is already in the NHL playing pretty well? Last time I checked the reason the Avs are doing so bad is because of their defense.
This massive myth that the only reason the Avs are doing poorly is their defense needs to stop. They aren't doing well offensively, defensively, or anywhere. Their offense is completely inept outside of the core group, and looks just as ugly as the defense.

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What good is Jost doing in college when Chychrun is already in the NHL playing pretty well? Last time I checked the reason the Avs are doing so bad is because of their defense.
Do you think Chychrun, a rookie defensemen, would be the extra push that these guys need to not be terrible? He's playing decent but not exactly setting the world on fire on their third pairing.

Colorado is currently last in goals and have 12 less goals than the 2nd last team. Looks like offense is a pretty big concern as well. Even more so than their defense.

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01-26-2017, 09:17 AM
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This massive myth that the only reason the Avs are doing poorly is their defense needs to stop. They aren't doing well offensively, defensively, or anywhere. Their offense is completely inept outside of the core group, and looks just as ugly as the defense.
If the Avs aren't scoring, they shouldn't be bleeding goals either. Yes the need help on defense even if their forwards are inept

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That defense and goaltending are absolutely horrible. They get 1st pick this year, use it on a defenseman.
Maybe. Let's not forget McDavid is an Oiler, not a Sabre. And if they do get 1OA, it won't be used on a defenseman unless they trade down.

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01-26-2017, 09:23 AM
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Do you think Chychrun, a rookie defensemen, would be the extra push that these guys need to not be terrible? He's playing decent but not exactly setting the world on fire on their third pairing.

Colorado is currently last in goals and have 12 less goals than the 2nd last team. Looks like offense is a pretty big concern as well. Even more so than their defense.
The Avs will suck regardless. You're right on that. But building the team from defense up is a better foundation. Learn from the Oilers mistakes. There were some years we should have went with positional needs over BPA definitely.

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What good is Jost doing in college when Chychrun is already in the NHL playing pretty well? Last time I checked the reason the Avs are doing so bad is because of their defense.
So this means Chychurn will be better going forward?

And last time you checked, you checked wrong.

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What good is Jost doing in college when Chychrun is already in the NHL playing pretty well? Last time I checked the reason the Avs are doing so bad is because of their defense.
You clearly haven't been watching the team (and my guess is that you never actually checked).

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They had opportunities to pick Sergachev, chychrun, McAvoy. Instead they went with Jost lol
I'd still take Jost over anyone one of those players and I don't even care about the avs personally

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similar structure. all flash, no D. doesn't work.
They didn't have D last year or the year before but they didnt suck. Was fighting for a wild card spot till the end. Somewhat long way to fall

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The team is a mess right now because of a number of factors. They overestimated their hand after the miraculous 2014 season, and instead of building on what made them successful (being a young, enthusiastic group) they tried to fast forward to the end steps of the rebuild by adding Stuart and Iginla, and they also lost a big leader in Stastny. What's crazy is that the team could be totally different had a few things been different. The Avs were rumoured to be quite close to acquiring James Neal, which likely means no Iginla. They were also very close to signing Kevin Hayes, but refused to guarantee him a spot in the NHL. Who know, maybe if they get Hayes they also end up getting Vessey. On top of that, they panicked when they couldn't sign Orpik, Stralman, etc and acquired Stuart...and then re-signed him immediately. The Avs honestly would have been better off just sitting on what they had and adding pieces to continue building on the depth of the team.
Avs management has also always seemed to frown down on depth players, like they are dime a dozen and don't really matter. They've let a lot of effective depth players leave the team for one reason or another and instead of filling them with more good depth players they throw a random AHLer in there. Add to that, the team is build completely wrong and the depth players they've added don't help to emphasize their strengths.
If you had a team where Duchene and MacKinnon are your best players, and the best success you've had has been quick breakouts and taking advantage on the rush what would you add to emphasize this? How about a bunch of slow giants? That seems like a good idea. Iginla is basically useless at this point, he can't accept a pass, he won't forecheck, defense isn't in his vocabulary. He's basically good for one thing, shooting the puck if no one is around him. Beauchemin went from looking like a good signing to a dreadful after burning out over half of his first season. Now he still gets fed monster minutes, but he passes like he is playing soccer (straight into the skates), pinches when he is ineffective offensively, and his defensive coverage consists of him covering everything but the opposite team. Colborne and Soderberg have both been extremely ineffective. Then there's just the rest of the hot garbage.

The Avs should be used as a massive lesson on the importance of depth, as well as appropriate identification of the strengths and weaknesses of your team. They are also a lesson on not needing to make a big move every off-season.
Well said. Thank you for posting that.

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Maybe because some of their players are not as good as their reputation?

It's kind of like Edmonton. Now that McJesus took over they are a playoffs team. Hall is still in the bottom of the standings with NJ.

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