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01-28-2017, 10:43 PM
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How can you prove, not guess, that Quebecor backed out of the deal? All we KNOW is that the league said no "at this time". The nonsense about Quebecor backed down because of the price is, at best, an educated guess.
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When you choose to believe it was more than a simple league decision, an educated guess isn't a bad place to go.
The league had their concerns, and so did Videotron. That's all. That's why they were at the press conference.
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Hartford County has a median family income of $62,100 and 895,000 people.
Erie County, NY has a median Income of 49,400 and 922,000 people.
That make Hartford County 122% as wealthy as Erie County.
Hartford Neighbor to the north, Springfield (Hampden County) has 422,000 people and a median Family income of 49,400. Niagara County meanwhile has a population of 212,000 and a median family income of 47,800. Don't even have to do the math on that one.
If Buffalo is a viable market so is Hartford.
Hartford is one of the richest areas in the country and the corporate support is there. Call them "New England" and watch them grow even more.

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01-28-2017, 10:58 PM
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Hartford is one of the richest areas in the country and the corporate support is there. Call them "New England" and watch them grow even more.
40-50 yrs ago sure. Ask now MM. Thats an "insurance town" and the bottom fell out. To suggest today that CN & Hartford could support an NHL franchise to long-time residents & serious hockey fans is met with extreme skepticism.

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01-28-2017, 11:08 PM
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I wonder what the timeline is for prospective local owners to appear or for Bettman to tap his foot waiting for them to show before declaring Quebecor the only buyers. At this point, shouldn't local owners at least be making their intentions known soon?

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Interesting.... are you aware of that regular posters on the History of Hockey Board think your insane? And I mean ppl from CT. That "Hartfords a **** Hole. No way they can support a team"?....
very much agree w/ K, HERE, ARE WE IGNORING WHY the Whalers left Hartford, and why the Baldwin experiment mid-season for 18 months of a Rangers-owned affiliate backfired, add in the fact the state's operation and how it handled the relocation of its baseball franchise from New Britain, into a stadium that wasn't totally finished.

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40-50 yrs ago sure. Ask now MM. Thats an "insurance town" and the bottom fell out. To suggest today that CN & Hartford could support an NHL franchise to long-time residents & serious hockey fans is met with extreme skepticism.
Well look at Winnipeg. It was smaller, poorer and the most violent city in Canada. They're fine. Hartford will have corporations to sell tickets too. It would be better then some other markets.

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USA Today on Carolina story

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...tion/97208578/

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Ray Dalio, Stehpen Schwartzman and Steven A Cohen. All worth at least 10 billion and hedge fund guys in the NYC area. It can happen. A new arena in Downtown Hartford or West Hartford will be fine.
Have any of those individuals expressed an interest in owning an NHL franchise and/or bringing one to Hartford?

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01-28-2017, 11:41 PM
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Hartford will have corporations to sell tickets too.
... who?... what money does remain in CT is old money and old money doesnt just throw it around MM.

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Have any of those individuals expressed an interest in owning an NHL franchise and/or bringing one to Hartford?
... serious serious money?... nope... not a one.

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Hartford County has a median family income of $62,100 and 895,000 people.
Erie County, NY has a median Income of 49,400 and 922,000 people.
That make Hartford County 122% as wealthy as Erie County.
Hartford Neighbor to the north, Springfield (Hampden County) has 422,000 people and a median Family income of 49,400. Niagara County meanwhile has a population of 212,000 and a median family income of 47,800. Don't even have to do the math on that one.
If Buffalo is a viable market so is Hartford.
Hartford is a heck of a lot further from the Canada/US border than Buffalo!

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Have any of those individuals expressed an interest in owning an NHL franchise and/or bringing one to Hartford?
Not yet. But the NHL way is to wait until its too late, we'll see

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... who?... what money does remain in CT is old money and old money doesnt just throw it around MM.



... serious serious money?... nope... not a one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartfo...cticut#Economy

Pretty good list of corporate sponsors for an older, smaller city. The base is there.

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Hartford is a heck of a lot further from the Canada/US border than Buffalo!
Sure... but if you wanna Lobster Roll, Grinder, A-Pizza or Steamed Cheeseburger Sip, only in Hartford. ... now, Chicken Wings in Buffalo... is the place burning down while you order?.. I'll go for that. and not hard ta find.

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Well look at Winnipeg. It was smaller, poorer and the most violent city in Canada. They're fine. Hartford will have corporations to sell tickets too. It would be better then some other markets.
So that's why the Jets seem like the most physical team in the league. Well, if violence is the metric for questioning whether cities should have NHL teams, there are quite a few US cities that would have raging "?"s hovering over them.

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So that's why the Jets seem like the most physical team in the league. Well, if violence is the metric for questioning whether cities should have NHL teams, there are quite a few US cities that would have raging "?"s hovering over them.
The point is though Hartford has the money and double the population, so why would Winnipeg work out and not them?

Given the Jets not making the playoffs still, I would like to see QC get an expansion team rather then baggage.

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Pretty good list of corporate sponsors for an older, smaller city. The base is there.
Look Maing... the very fact that Howard Stern, Bill O'Reilly & Dee Snider of Twisted Sister infamy got their starts in Connecticut pretty much disqualifies the State in my book. K?

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The point is though Hartford has the money and double the population, so why would Winnipeg work out and not them?

Given the Jets not making the playoffs still, I would like to see QC get an expansion team rather then baggage.
It's actually pretty simple, Winnipeg 800K, 799K hockey fans

Hartford 925K, 25K hockey fans

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Look Maing... the very fact that Howard Stern, Bill O'Reilly & Dee Snider of Twisted Sister infamy got their starts in Connecticut pretty much disqualifies the State in my book. K?
fair enough.

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It's actually pretty simple, Winnipeg 800K, 799K hockey fans

Hartford 925K, 25K hockey fans
There aren't 799k fans in winnipeg. In the 70's and 80's and for most of the 90's both Winnipeg and Hartford had similar attendance.

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There aren't 799k fans in winnipeg. In the 70's and 80's and for most of the 90's both Winnipeg and Hartford had similar attendance.
Yeah I don't think you could ever make a case that there are more or even the same amount of hockey fans in Hartford than in Winnipeg or Quebec. Like I said before I seriously serrrriously doubt Hartford gets a team any time soon, especially over Quebec City.

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Interesting.... are you aware of that regular posters on the History of Hockey Board think your insane? And I mean ppl from CT. That "Hartfords a **** Hole. No way they can support a team"?....
That's what many on this site said about Winnipeg. The logical relocation city is obviously QC. Question is, will they ante up?

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fair enough.



There aren't 799k fans in winnipeg. In the 70's and 80's and for most of the 90's both Winnipeg and Hartford had similar attendance.
As did the rest of the league.

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There aren't 799k fans in winnipeg. In the 70's and 80's and for most of the 90's both Winnipeg and Hartford had similar attendance.
Wait, what city got the NHL back again?

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It's actually pretty simple, Winnipeg 800K, 799K hockey fans

Hartford 925K, 25K hockey fans
That's it in a nutshell. As Gary Bettman admitted back in May 2011 when the Thrashers were purchased by TNSE, it's not necessarily the size of the market but the intensity of the market. Not saying that Hartford isn't a good market but simply comparing it to Winnipeg's population or median income doesn't mean it's a fair comparison based on those factors alone. Having said that, I would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.

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fair enough.
Fair? Fair would be building a great wall around Connecticut, Vermont & California, charging them for it of course, and yes, yes I will make them pay for it.... then ceding the land & proprietary/governmental & administrative rights to Kim Jong-un & North Korea. Let him deal with those Liberal Loony Toons. Get them the **** off my books.

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Yeah I don't think you could ever make a case that there are more or even the same amount of hockey fans in Hartford than in Winnipeg or Quebec. Like I said before I seriously serrrriously doubt Hartford gets a team any time soon, especially over Quebec City.
Well its not about that, it's about getting QC a better expansion franchise and not saddling them with one that won't make the playoffs.
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That's what many on this site said about Winnipeg. The logical relocation city is obviously QC. Question is, will they ante up?
They should not pay 650 million for for the Hurricanes if you're asking.

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As did the rest of the league.
Not Toronto or Montreal. Or even the Rangers. Are you now going to say it's unfair to compare Winnipeg to those areas?
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Wait, what city got the NHL back again?
The one the was willing to pay after Paul Allen said no?
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That's it in a nutshell. As Gary Bettman admitted back in May 2011 when the Thrashers were purchased by TNSE, it's not necessarily the size of the market but the intensity of the market. Not saying that Hartford isn't a good market but simply comparing it to Winnipeg's population or median income doesn't mean it's a fair comparison based on those factors alone. Having said that, I would like to see the Whalers return to Hartford.
Agreed.

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Well its not about that, it's about getting QC a better expansion franchise and not saddling them with one that won't make the playoffs.
The only possible relo team that would be better than the Canes is probably Florida. No expansion team is going to have the good young pieces Carolina currently has (Skinner, Aho, Hanifin, Rask, Lindholm, Teravainen, Faulk, Gauthier, Roy and Bean) it will take an expansion team years to get a young core like that. I think Vegas needs to be more worried about having a competitive team off the hop. Quebec will just be glad to have a team back and I bet ST sell out for years when they first go on sale.

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Well its not about that, it's about getting QC a better expansion franchise and not saddling them with one that won't make the playoffs.
They should not pay 650 million for for the Hurricanes if you're asking.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say but the Canes are so far ahead than any form of expansion team that QC could get. They have arguably the greatest bunch of defensive prospects in the NHL. That alone is worth gold, especially since dmen are such in high demand these days.

Hurricanes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future team of Vegas AINEC

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