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Goalies that didn't win the Vezina that should have?

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02-07-2017, 02:42 AM
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I'm also looking at things like gps and gsaa, with Luongo crushing Brodeur in both categories, especially the latter.
GSAA is a derivative of SV%.

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GSAA is a derivative of SV%.
But it's not save percentage, right?

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How about Byron Dafoe in '99? I mean, his stats were pretty impressive and the 10 shutouts stood out considering Boston didn't exactly have a monster lineup of defensive corps behind Bourque

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How about Byron Dafoe in '99? I mean, his stats were pretty impressive and the 10 shutouts stood out considering Boston didn't exactly have a monster lineup of defensive corps behind Bourque
He had a great year but I can't put him ahead of Hasek

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But it's not save percentage, right?
But it's based on SV% which makes it skewed towards Luongo. Luongo also played in Florida which was notorious for overcounting shots, while NJ was notorious for undercounting shots.

TLDR; Luongo's inflated SV% means he also has an inflated GSAA.

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But it's based on SV% which makes it skewed towards Luongo. Luongo also played in Florida which was notorious for overcounting shots, while NJ was notorious for undercounting shots.

TLDR; Luongo's inflated SV% means he also has an inflated GSAA.
Inflated by how much? What's a more accurate sv% for both goalies?

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Inflated by how much? What's a more accurate sv% for both goalies?
There was an article on puck prospectus about it. I don't think it exists anymore.

But regardless, I've shown that goalies who play in many higher shot volume games will have an advantage at inflating their SV%. Just look at the tables I've posted.

Luongo in 03-04 faced 30 shots or more 50 times, and averaged 34.3 shots per game.
Brodeur faced 30 shots only 16 times, and averaged 24.6 shots per game.

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There was an article on puck prospectus about it. I don't think it exists anymore.

But regardless, I've shown that goalies who play in many higher shot volume games will have an advantage at inflating their SV%. Just look at the tables I've posted.

Luongo in 03-04 faced 30 shots or more 50 times, and averaged 34.3 shots per game.
Brodeur faced 30 shots only 16 times, and averaged 24.6 shots per game.
On that note, is Brodeur's 96-97 season a bit of an outlier? He faced 30+ shots only 13 times, and averaged 25.5 shots per game, yet his SV% was the highest of his career.

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