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10-22-2003, 10:28 AM
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Possible Trade-deadline Aquisitions

I know its a little early but here's a couple of names that could be heading to Ottawa later on...

Wes Waltz - could be very useful as a shutdown centre, shouldn't cost too much as minny will most likely be out of the playoffs by then.

Anson Carter - I know it sounds silly because of his salary - but the Rangers may enter a rebuilding mode and might be willing to pay part of Carter's salary. Carter is a black version of Smoke - meaning that he is the type of player mucks would trade for.

Gary Roberts - If (and its not a big if) the Leafs are out of the playoffs, this trade could be a possibility as Roberts would bring playoff determination to the lineup. They could even rest him down the stretch and hope he has a good playoffs (when he replaces Varada ).

Anyone else got anybody on their list?

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I know its a little early but here's a couple of names that could be heading to Ottawa later on...

Wes Waltz - could be very useful as a shutdown centre, shouldn't cost too much as minny will most likely be out of the playoffs by then.

Anson Carter - I know it sounds silly because of his salary - but the Rangers may enter a rebuilding mode and might be willing to pay part of Carter's salary. Carter is a black version of Smoke - meaning that he is the type of player mucks would trade for.

Gary Roberts - If (and its not a big if) the Leafs are out of the playoffs, this trade could be a possibility as Roberts would bring playoff determination to the lineup. They could even rest him down the stretch and hope he has a good playoffs (when he replaces Varada ).

Anyone else got anybody on their list?
Personally, all 3 are longshots. Anson Carter is perhaps the most likely of the bunch, but I'm not sure of his contract status after this year, so there could be a huge stumbling block there.

The other two won't get moved, and in the case of Roberts, definitely not to Ottawa.

I wouldn't pencil any moves in just yet. If this team has no major injury problems at the deadline, then I think the current line-up is fine. If a can't miss deal comes along, we'd take it, but otherwise, there's no point. If we do suffer some key injuries, then we could look at some additions, but those will be dependant on the guys we need to replace, so it's too difficult to tell.

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Personally, all 3 are longshots. Anson Carter is perhaps the most likely of the bunch, but I'm not sure of his contract status after this year, so there could be a huge stumbling block there.

The other two won't get moved, and in the case of Roberts, definitely not to Ottawa.

I wouldn't pencil any moves in just yet. If this team has no major injury problems at the deadline, then I think the current line-up is fine. If a can't miss deal comes along, we'd take it, but otherwise, there's no point. If we do suffer some key injuries, then we could look at some additions, but those will be dependant on the guys we need to replace, so it's too difficult to tell.
I wouldn't be too shocked if Carter's contract is not really an impediment at all in the new Melnyk era. I'm pretty sure Carter can play LW as well and he really brings to the table almost exactly what smolinski does, which is why I think that it is a possibility for him to come to Ottawa.

As for Roberts - yeah I know its Tor-Ott, but it would really be a minor deal - trading away a player at the end of his career for one final playoff run.

Walz I wouldn't say is untouchable or expensive - given the wild's pathetic start, they are still obviously in rebuilding mode and might take a good prospect (kaigorodov perhaps) in exchange.

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I wouldn't be too shocked if Carter's contract is not really an impediment at all in the new Melnyk era. I'm pretty sure Carter can play LW as well and he really brings to the table almost exactly what smolinski does, which is why I think that it is a possibility for him to come to Ottawa.
But if we have Smolinski, why do we need Carter? He's got a bit more offence, but not much more, and I'm a little uncertain about his attitude. I don't think he was a great dressing room guy in Edmonton, and the last thing this team needs a good ol' boat-rocking.

Ottawa's line-up is pretty danged stacked right now as well. Any new guy in means someone else goes out. We really don't have the room to give these guys enough playing time barring any injury.

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Unless there are unforeseen injuries (kow), I don't think the Sens need any of the above. They already have too many good guys up front (and on defence for that matter). All it would do is disrupt the chemistry and make some regulars unhappy or worried about their ice time. It's common for fans to expect movement at the trade deadline. It's almost as if fans think the their team can't win without bringing in something new. Well, change for the sake of change is usually not a good thing. The Sens are lined up to win with what they have now. I'd sit tight and let other teams go on buying sprees. The Sens don't need it.

 
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I think the Sens should find someone to replace Todd White at the deadline. White is a good character guy to have around but it should be fairly easy to find an upgrade.

We need to look for a LW who can play on one of the top 3 lines. Presumably someone who provides some size/experience, is physical along the boards/can hold his own in front of the net, and kills penalties.

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Looking at the list of UFAs here is some targets(although some are in all likelyhood not going to happen), availability depends on individual team positions.

Boston: Mike Knuble (probably no room unless someone moves left), Glen Murray (same problem as Knuble, but more fire power), Brian Rolston (center log jam, but he would be nice)

Calgary:Craig Conroy (could become available), Dean McAmmond (ditto)

Carolina: Ron Francis (key faceoffs, veteran presence)

Montreal: Perrault (key faceoff man)

NYR: Barnaby (lets keep those Barnaby rumours alive), Kovalev (more fire power)

Philly: Reechi (unlikely to be traded)

St Louis: Mellanby (unlikely to be available)

SJ: Scott Thornton (not so keen on this move anymore), Mike Rathje (could we have handled losing one of the top 4 last year?)

Washington: Bondra (different type of addition), Nylander (can't really see where he'd fit in)

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Looking at the list of UFAs here is some targets(although some are in all likelyhood not going to happen), availability depends on individual team positions.

Boston: Mike Knuble (probably no room unless someone moves left), Glen Murray (same problem as Knuble, but more fire power), Brian Rolston (center log jam, but he would be nice)

Calgary:Craig Conroy (could become available), Dean McAmmond (ditto)

Carolina: Ron Francis (key faceoffs, veteran presence)

Montreal: Perrault (key faceoff man)

NYR: Barnaby (lets keep those Barnaby rumours alive), Kovalev (more fire power)

Philly: Reechi (unlikely to be traded)

St Louis: Mellanby (unlikely to be available)

SJ: Scott Thornton (not so keen on this move anymore), Mike Rathje (could we have handled losing one of the top 4 last year?)

Washington: Bondra (different type of addition), Nylander (can't really see where he'd fit in)
Nice List! The player I would want the most would be Brian Rolston, but he would probably be the most expensive and would never be traded if the bruins were in the playoffs. The bruins don't seem to ever resign their players so if they are out of the playoff hunt, Rolston could probably be gotten for Kaigorodov. Rolston-Fisher would be a perfect 4th line pairing and would give them the PK specialist they need since losing arvedson. I would have paroxysms of joy if we got Rolston. I don't want Knuble at all as he is just hanging on to Big Joe and has no real talent. I didn't know that Rolston is a UFA next year. That really gets me dreaming...

PK Unit 1: Rolston-Fisher (Neil)
PK Unit 2: Smoke-White (Alfie)

The cool thing is that you have both units playing on the same line anyway, so it doesn't create any line imbalance. It would mean the end of Shastlivy or Schaefer but that doesn't matter at all.

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Nice List! The player I would want the most would be Brian Rolston, but he would probably be the most expensive and would never be traded if the bruins were in the playoffs. The bruins don't seem to ever resign their players so if they are out of the playoff hunt, Rolston could probably be gotten for Kaigorodov. Rolston-Fisher would be a perfect 4th line pairing and would give them the PK specialist they need since losing arvedson. I would have paroxysms of joy if we got Rolston. I don't want Knuble at all as he is just hanging on to Big Joe and has no real talent. I didn't know that Rolston is a UFA next year. That really gets me dreaming...

PK Unit 1: Rolston-Fisher (Neil)
PK Unit 2: Smoke-White (Alfie)

The cool thing is that you have both units playing on the same line anyway, so it doesn't create any line imbalance. It would mean the end of Shastlivy or Schaefer but that doesn't matter at all.
List of free agents here:
http://www.geocities.com/floridapant.../free2004.html

I'd rather give a second than Kaigorodov for Rolston. But he probably has quite a high trade value. Honestly though, I'd be shocked if Boston are out of the playoff hunt.

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Rolston would be a Dream. I'd trade Schastlivy and a 3rd for him at the deadline. (and im one who thinks schastlivy is good for 30 goals).
He's the biggest shorthanded threat in the league, he can QB a PP like Alfredsson can only dream of and would be a great playoff addition. Like Smolinski, but 10x better.

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I don't like the idea of acquiring big-time salaries because we can afford to. Lets try not to sway too far from the teams budget and finance-first mindset.

That being said, I wouldn't mind Ottawa making a slight improvement to the left side. Someone that will crash, bang and muck it up.

Assuming Carolina goes nowhere this season, they may look to rebuild and trim their budget. Perhaps some of Ottawas young talent and cheap players could be dangeled. Players that could be had:

Rod Brindamour
Erik Cole

 
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I don't like the idea of acquiring big-time salaries because we can afford to. Lets try not to sway too far from the teams budget and finance-first mindset.

That being said, I wouldn't mind Ottawa making a slight improvement to the left side. Someone that will crash, bang and muck it up.

Assuming Carolina goes nowhere this season, they may look to rebuild and trim their budget. Perhaps some of Ottawas young talent and cheap players could be dangeled. Players that could be had:

Rod Brindamour
Erik Cole
Well, Erik Cole will not be traded to trim Carolina's budget. He's a dirt cheap youngster who Carolina will probably try to build around for the future. To pry him away from Carolina will not be easy.

I rather the Sens stay to their budget controlled ways like they have in the past, and only go after players that will fit well with this team that can be had relatively cheaply (i.e do not cost us much off our current roster).

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Well, Erik Cole will not be traded to trim Carolina's budget. He's a dirt cheap youngster who Carolina will probably try to build around for the future. To pry him away from Carolina will not be easy.

I rather the Sens stay to their budget controlled ways like they have in the past, and only go after players that will fit well with this team that can be had relatively cheaply (i.e do not cost us much off our current roster).
My apologies, I just looked at Cole's salary and you are right, he is dirt cheap. He is making less than 500'000.

What about Brind' Amour? What do you think his value you would be? How much would Carolina be asking for?

 
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I like the idea of new centers like Rolston or Brind'Amour, both of them would be really good moved by Muckler to make us a stronger team, but how much do we need to add? I think either could be a possibility though since their team needs to clear for youngers coming up through the ranks, we'll see how it is.
I don't like the idea of adding too much salary though, we're already close to $40 million and are #15 in league salary, that's a big jump from the last year, and the salary is only getting bigger with Hossa, Havlat,Lalime coming up.

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You don't really need to worry about the salary of a deadline acquisition since you'll only pay a fraction of that player's salary, unless you plan on re-signing him.

Rolston is by far the best of that bunch and he does play left wing on occasion. He has all the tools to fit in with this team: speed, defensive awareness, offensive talent and he's a gamebreaker IMO.
If Boston is out by the deadline it really would be a dream to land him as someone has said.
For Rolston I'd be willing to give Kaigorodov and more.

We have to remember that with a work stoppage looming it's possible we could have 2 drafts(2004+2005) for only 1 year of hockey(2005) so our farm could grow mighty fast.

After Rolston, Thornton or Ricci are the only "big" names I'd think about on offence. Usually Cup winners make small adjustments before their run and considering our depth we should do the same. We could stand to land another top 4 d-man, but Volchenkov could step up and remove that "weakness" very quickly, so a big trade isn't absolutely necessary.

If I were GM I'd definitely try to go after certain players at the deadline but I wouldn't be afraid of standing pat either, no need to panic for a Cup run.

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The Sens would be scary with Gary Roberts at LW. Anson Carter is a RW, no point in getting him as he would be behind Alffy, Hossa and Havlat in the depth chart. Rolston played LW for New Jersey. A 3rd line of Rolston - Smolinksi - Havlat would be down right dangerous. I am sure The Bruins would want alot for Rolston though.

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The Sens would be scary with Gary Roberts at LW. Anson Carter is a RW, no point in getting him as he would be behind Alffy, Hossa and Havlat in the depth chart. Rolston played LW for New Jersey. A 3rd line of Rolston - Smolinksi - Havlat would be down right dangerous. I am sure The Bruins would want alot for Rolston though.
The B's would most likely not resign him anyway (ex. Guerin, McLaren) so they would want to get whatever they could assuming they weren't in playoff contention, which is not unlikely seeing as they were practically the worst team in the league after 25 games last season. I think a deal of Shastlivy + Kaigorodov would be more than fair.

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frankly i just don't see much deal making unless a team is dumping players for a rebuild or the sens have an injury.

say... Lalime goes down
or perhaps as someone earlier mentioned a top 4 dman

I like the Ron Francis idea, the guy is world class, confident as all hell and knows what it takes to win it all. Would be a great pick up.

Perhaps a guy like Mike Ricci might be nice... assuming once again the sens actually have a slot for him. Watched him play a few years for sharkies and he just doesn't quit.

Or a guy like sergei brylin. He gets little press but is a great cog for the devils.

How about gelinas ?

certainly not game breakers, but are great assets, especially for a playoff run.

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frankly i just don't see much deal making unless a team is dumping players for a rebuild or the sens have an injury.

say... Lalime goes down
or perhaps as someone earlier mentioned a top 4 dman

I like the Ron Francis idea, the guy is world class, confident as all hell and knows what it takes to win it all. Would be a great pick up.

Perhaps a guy like Mike Ricci might be nice... assuming once again the sens actually have a slot for him. Watched him play a few years for sharkies and he just doesn't quit.

Or a guy like sergei brylin. He gets little press but is a great cog for the devils.

How about gelinas ?

certainly not game breakers, but are great assets, especially for a playoff run.
Francis would be nice, even if he only plays on the 4th line. Brylin is on the Devils so he is out of the question. If Lalime goes down - I am positive they'll go with either Prusek or Emery and won't give up something significant for a short-term solution. I don't get the top-4 D-Man thing. We have 4 legitimate top-4 guys -especially with the way Phillips plays in the playoffs, not to mention a potential top-2 in Anton Volchenkov. I wonder if the sens could sign Francis - then do a Jody Hull type thing and give him a coaching job in Bingo. He would be a tremendous asset to this organization. My favourite is Rolston, since he could sign a Smolinski type deal and be an asset to the club for many years.

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IMO Eric Cole would be an absolutely PERFECT fit for the Sens. He's everything they need, and from what he's had a chance to show in the playoffs, it's been impressive. He'd be a GREAT first line LWer for the Sens and would be a GREAT player on a line with Alfie IMO.

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Francis may prerfer a role with Carolina tho.

Eric Cole's trade value is pretty high at the moment. Cheap, good and in the 'power forward' mould.

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Francis may prerfer a role with Carolina tho.

Eric Cole's trade value is pretty high at the moment. Cheap, good and in the 'power forward' mould.
Yea, I kind of doubt that Carolina would trade him. Since we're just throwing out names, how about Hartnell with Nashville?

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Yea, I kind of doubt that Carolina would trade him. Since we're just throwing out names, how about Hartnell with Nashville?
Hartnell would cost you Spezza, he's basically Nashville's star. He would be awesome though, but he's really inexperienced, I think Ottawa should go with more experienced players. This is the year to win it.


This may be out of left field, but would you guys consider trading Spezza to improve the team? Like, for example:

Spezza and Vermette for Marleau and Sturm (or something like that)
or
Spezza for Zednik and Souray (i think somebody mentioned a top 4 d-man)
or
Spezza for.......anyone?

I'm a habs fan first and foremost, but I REALLY want Ottawa to win it this year, enough with Detroit, Colorado and New Jersey. Anyone of those trades, IMO, put Ottawa over the top.

What do you guys think?

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Straka will most likely be available. He has proved in the past that he can play very good in the playoffs. Left winger who has a lot of speed. He will make $4.7 million next year, though.

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"Hartnell would cost you Spezza, he's basically Nashville's star. He would be awesome though, but he's really inexperienced, I think Ottawa should go with more experienced players. This is the year to win it.


This may be out of left field, but would you guys consider trading Spezza to improve the team? Like, for example:

Spezza and Vermette for Marleau and Sturm (or something like that)
or
Spezza for Zednik and Souray (i think somebody mentioned a top 4 d-man)
or
Spezza for.......anyone?

I'm a habs fan first and foremost, but I REALLY want Ottawa to win it this year, enough with Detroit, Colorado and New Jersey. Anyone of those trades, IMO, put Ottawa over the top.

What do you guys think?"


You're kidding... right? (Those trade suggestions are horrible.)

Spezza is currently rated as the #1 drafted prospect in the world. He's pretty much untouchable, but if he were to be traded he'd fetch a hell of a lot more than anything you've suggested.

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