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02-03-2017, 04:03 PM
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I want this to happen mainly for the fact we would hopefully see one of the greatest sports logos of all time again.
I always thought the Whalers had better looking uniforms in the WHA with the green, gold and white instead of the blue, green, grey and white.

It would be a shame if things didn't work out for the Islanders where they are right now (or a return to Nassau County). If they did have to relocate out of the region, Hartford may be a good choice though.

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Someone is eventually going to have to pay for something when it comes to the Islanders. They either construct a new place using a good portion of their own money, they renovate the place in Hartford, or they lose $X every game playing in a tiny arena without suites.

Hartford seems like a decent option, even with required upgrades.

Could the Isles keep their TV money train coming if they moved to Hartford? Would MSG still want them on the network if they're in Connecticut?
This is really the only relevant point in my opinion.

Connecticut is dead broke, Hartford is laughably past broke.

If the expectation of any public funding is expected to accompany this invitation, it's DOA. If there's enough private funding to turn Hartford into an NHL caliber arena, I imagine it would be invested elsewhere first.

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02-03-2017, 04:42 PM
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Hartford's also lost credibility, when the Yard Goats stadium fiasco blew up after landing the AA Club from nearby New Britain, last check that stadium was unfinished....

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02-03-2017, 04:51 PM
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Smart move. Isles get a building, whole new fan base but close enough to get their old fan base to attend some games. Best of both worlds. Hartford Islanders? Or just go with Hartford Whalers? Or Whaler-Islanders? Logo could be the Gorton's fisherman harpooning a whale!

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As an Islanders fan, I'm so beyond ****ing sick of hearing about arena/relocation talks. **** this just decide a place to play and let the fans breathe for once.

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02-03-2017, 05:07 PM
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Hartford's also lost credibility, when the Yard Goats stadium fiasco blew up after landing the AA Club from nearby New Britain, last check that stadium was unfinished....
Unwanted CITY of Hartford project by former mayor and 1/2 completed by shady developer (centerplan)
Now a new developer is in and should be completed by 4/13/17(20th anniversary of whalers last game)

XL center is state owned and run by a STATE (very different) authority. It's called the CRDA

If people haven't been paying attention, CRDA had a presentation from SCI(NHL approved vendor that did MSG/LA forum etc) present various options for XL center.
PDF of presentation here:
http://www.courant.com/real-estate/h...htmlstory.html

2015 Thread about it here:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1837743

We recently got 2 brand new Olympias and new ice making system/floor/piping and dasher boards are going in this offseason. NHL approved ice system with metal piping unlike current BC. Can do rest of renovations over 2-3 summers

We also had a very positive public hearing about the 250 million renovation.
Check out this presentation from a month or two ago:

http://crdact.net/data/Unsorted/SCIA...16-73783-1.pdf

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Someone is eventually going to have to pay for something when it comes to the Islanders. They either construct a new place using a good portion of their own money, they renovate the place in Hartford, or they lose $X every game playing in a tiny arena without suites.

Hartford seems like a decent option, even with required upgrades.

Could the Isles keep their TV money train coming if they moved to Hartford? Would MSG still want them on the network if they're in Connecticut?
MSG could make a play to keep the TV deal alive.

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On the other hand, MSG is who the Sabres use too, so it isn't like they're tied into the NYC market only. In fact, I think there could be an argument to be made that MSG would be for this, since it would expand their geographical footprint.

To go to back to your point though, MSG probably considers western CT to be an important part of Rangers territory, so some of the footprint expansion would be mitigated by that.
Hartford is dead middle of Connecticut so I am not sure how much of that is actually Rangers fans--I would think most of the Rangers fans are further west towards Stamford.




Regardless I think the natural location of the Whalers makes for a great natural rivalry. You could keep the Whalers in the Metro division and it would be a solid draw against that entire division--lots of rivalries to make there.

The market is rather large, and there is no professional "big 4" team located in Connecticut--hell the only big teams are in Mass, and even that's a solid 1.5 hours from Hartford further east.... The Patriots are the closest and that's still a 45 minute ride minimum with no traffic.

If MSG doesn't lose out on the TV deal, and Malloy can actually go through with doing a full out renovation (meaning the WolfPack would need a temporary home for an entire season, or a new permanent home--I know the Albany Devils are moving the Binghamton this coming year), then it's absolutely doable. If Bettman doesn't want to lose an Eastern Conference team, this is probably going to be the only option, sans Quebec...

Speaking of Quebec, Hurricanes are another story here too because, if the league decides the uncertainty of these teams homes needs to go away, you might see two relocations and another expansion to Seattle in less than 2 seasons. Quebec will be dependent on the loonie rebounding, but if it does, you can bet that they are a major player for a relocation team.

Not sure how alignment would work in this case


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I want this to happen mainly for the fact we would hopefully see one of the greatest sports logos of all time again.
It's not the same logo, but if you want to see the green and blue, but with a whale crest a la the early Whalers, catch a webcast of the women's pro NWHL Connecticut Whale. I watched part of one last weekend, and with the new uniforms, it's pretty reminiscent of the Whalers. The name Connecticut Whale is Howard Baldwin's idea, first used by the Hartford AHL team, as a way to bring back the brand a bit and build state-wide support and hopefully an NHL team at some point. He gave the NWHL team the rights to use the name. As someone who hopes Hartford (or Connecticut generally) does get a team back, and who also liked the Whaler's brand and style, it's cool to watch the women's pro team pick up some of that image. They were a pretty good team last year, too, although struggling a little on D this season.

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Hartford's also lost credibility, when the Yard Goats stadium fiasco blew up after landing the AA Club from nearby New Britain, last check that stadium was unfinished....
In fairness that was all on the City of Hartford and the state was not involved.

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They can also keep their TV contract as well. Win Win.

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Does that mean the Islanders will change their goal song to


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What's the seating capacity for the renovated Nassau?

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They can also keep their TV contract as well. Win Win.
It would be reduced to some degree since they would lose a portion of their viewers in NY.

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"IF" Hartford gets an NHL suitable rink....Bring them back but not at the cost of the NYI.....
The Islanders are going back to Nassau Coliseum IMHO..


Hartford? "IF" the Hurricanes are to be sold ,be nice to see them returned home ....
Pumping 285 million into XL Center in Hartford make it NHL ready???


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What's the seating capacity for the renovated Nassau?
13.000 with the ability to add approx another 3000 ...
Really no doubt in my mind if they leave Brooklyn ,they're going back home to NC

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13.000 with the ability to add approx another 3000 ...
So still larger than Winnipeg's MTS Centre (currently NHL's smallest venue) by about 1000 seats, and still keeping the Islanders in NY (actually bringing them back to LI). Why would they oppose this?

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They can also keep their TV contract as well. Win Win.
I'm not sure how this could/would work...
We don't get MSG in central CT, but we do get SNY.
MSG is only available in SW CT(Fairfield county)

Could they renegotiate the deal by getting MSG on Comcast in central/all of CT and increase the TV $ deal? Move it to SNY? If it's temporary, maybe work with owners/SNY/MSG to help pay for a little of the XL renovation and able to broadcast in CT and kinda be a trial run for a potential relocation later?

Isn't Comcast(flyers) basically on the BOG with Snyder gone, NBCSN or CSNE/Comcast would make a pretty penny with a return of the battle of New England and the return of other rivalries with Montreal, buffalo, Rangers, and hopefully the nordiques

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So still larger than Winnipeg's MTS Centre (currently NHL's smallest venue) by about 1000 seats, and still keeping the Islanders in NY (actually bringing them back to LI). Why would they oppose this?

The Islanders brand new practice facility is about 1 mile from the newly renovated Nassau Coliseum....Seeing the talk of leaving Brooklyn, going back "home" makes too much sense.

My opinion is the extra seats get put in, and the Isles sail back home .

New practice facility and a new rink basically...

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In fairness that was all on the City of Hartford and the state was not involved.
uh, so is CRDA, TO A FACTOR, no matter what Whaler fans claim, and isn't that why Carolina left for Greensboro, then Raleigh, PK got tired of waiting for Connecticut and the CDRA to replace XL, no matter how many times you remodel the building, it's time is done, the Rangers aren't going to vacate Hartford without a fight to bring another franchise there, much less a division/city rival.

folks keep forgetting MSG wanted to add XL to its portfolio, when Gottenschidner tried to bring a team there, and what happened. MSG lost the bid but continues to have their own franchise as the tenant.

Hartford simply isn't worth bringing another franchise back there until XL is demolished and a newer state of the art facility much like Quebec learned by building their arena, that's the only way you can successfully compete for enticing a franchise

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If they move to Hartford the RSN that would go after them in a big way is Comcast-New England which was their former TV home as FOX Sports NE. The Whalers enjoyed the same TV footprint as the Bruins and the Bruins allowed Whalers games into Massachusetts so the Bruins could still beam into Connecticut. CSN-NE only has the Celtics and adding the Whalers would allow them to charge more to be carried. They would probably allow MSG to beam Rangers games into Connecticut but not the Devils.
WHDH needs programming too. They might be looking for something.

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They can also keep their TV contract as well. Win Win.
Not true. If Islanders leave the NYC Metro area the contract is void....HOWEVER if they built a new arena in Stamford, CT ( or anywhere in Fairfield County) the contract would continue.

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The good news is that Islanders have choices. Hartford, Quebec,Nassau, and even just staying in Brooklyn(which people reckless neglected).
Nassau is not a choice.

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Isles say first the heard of this was when the news came out of Hartford.



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"IF" Hartford gets an NHL suitable rink....Bring them back but not at the cost of the NYI.....
The Islanders are going back to Nassau Coliseum IMHO..


Hartford? "IF" the Hurricanes are to be sold ,be nice to see them returned home ....
Pumping 285 million into XL Center in Hartford make it NHL ready???
As a CT resident as great as it would be for the Whalers to come back, I've always thought that the Islanders moving was the only way it would happen and it would still be a severe long shot at best. As other people have cited you could tap into the ex-Whaler fan base as well as remain in a reasonable driving distance for fans from the Island to attend games, albeit at less of a frequency. I just don't think the league has the room nor the desire to insert a 5th team into the Boston-NY corridor, let alone do they even have an appetite to return to Hartford, period, nostalgia from us fans aside.

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I'm not sure how this could/would work...
We don't get MSG in central CT, but we do get SNY.
MSG is only available in SW CT(Fairfield county)

Could they renegotiate the deal by getting MSG on Comcast in central/all of CT and increase the TV $ deal? Move it to SNY? If it's temporary, maybe work with owners/SNY/MSG to help pay for a little of the XL renovation and able to broadcast in CT and kinda be a trial run for a potential relocation later?

Isn't Comcast(flyers) basically on the BOG with Snyder gone, NBCSN or CSNE/Comcast would make a pretty penny with a return of the battle of New England and the return of other rivalries with Montreal, buffalo, Rangers, and hopefully the nordiques
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It would be reduced to some degree since they would lose a portion of their viewers in NY.
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Not true. If Islanders leave the NYC Metro area the contract is void....HOWEVER if they built a new arena in Stamford, CT ( or anywhere in Fairfield County) the contract would continue.
Ok, well they would be on Comcast New England then. Still would be a lot of money.
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"IF" Hartford gets an NHL suitable rink....Bring them back but not at the cost of the NYI.....
The Islanders are going back to Nassau Coliseum IMHO..


Hartford? "IF" the Hurricanes are to be sold ,be nice to see them returned home ....
Pumping 285 million into XL Center in Hartford make it NHL ready???
Why not just build a new arena already in Downtown or West Hartford?

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