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Aftermath: The Dion Phaneuf trade to Ottawa

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02-12-2017, 02:25 PM
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I read somewhere on the Leafs board that Toronto is paying out over 20 million in salaries to players not to play for them.

Now its nice to be rich and work around the cap ... but seriously poor financial management which I'm sure will be rationalized and condoned.

So if we are not a cap team and we pay Phaneuf 7 mil even though we offset that .... how does that value even come close to tossing 20 million.
How is the Leafs paying 20 million in salaries for players not on their roster any different than what the Coyotes are doing? They are paying the contracts of Chris Pronger, Pavel Datsyuk and Dave Bolland to not play for them, just so they can be well above the salary cap floor. With all their financial issues they are now where close to a rich team like the Leafs.

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02-12-2017, 02:27 PM
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If you're someone who thinks The Sens are going to have trouble resigning their number 1 dman then you're just being biased. Those kinds of comments make it so difficult to have discussions with fans of other teams.

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02-12-2017, 03:10 PM
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So far Phaneuf has been an absolute blessing for the Sens. They acquired a quality 20 minute a night defenseman for some very replaceable pieces. Further, they somehow managed to save money for the last 2 seasons in doing so. No doubt Ottawa likes it so far, but that isn't the whole cost of Phaneuf since his ongoing contract is obviously a concern.

25.5 million remaining over the next 4 years works out to 6.4 per year and ends when he's 35. Phaneuf has never been a fast skater and he won't be any faster at 35, but he's in good shape and his decline has been non-existent so far.

Looking forward, if Phaneuf was a 31 year old Free Agent, with his history, looking for a 4 year contract, he'd be looking at the comparable UFA contracts: Goligoski (31, 5.5m), Green (31, 6.0m), Orpik (36, 5.5), Andy MacDonald (30 5.0m), Sekera (30, 5.5m) or Yandle (30, 6.4m) Most have longer term than Phaneuf has.

I don't think Phaneuf is great value going forward, but if he was a Free Agent, he isn't completely out-of-line, especially compared to some guys.

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02-12-2017, 03:54 PM
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Ottawa is in a playoff spot, Leafs are not.

Enough said.
Trading Phanuef helped the Leafs bottom out and get the chance to select a uber prospect in Matthews who is going to be a top 5 player. They are also 3 points out of a playoff spot, when they weren't expected to come anywhere close to that.

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02-12-2017, 03:57 PM
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Trading Phanuef helped the Leafs bottom out and get the chance to select a uber prospect in Matthews who is going to be a top 5 player. They are also 3 points out of a playoff spot, when they weren't expected to come anywhere close to that.
Actually as of today Toronto is in the 2nd and final Wild Card playoff spot.

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02-12-2017, 04:11 PM
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Now its nice to be rich and work around the cap ... but seriously poor financial management which I'm sure will be rationalized and condoned.
You realize that all this dead money is cleaning up mistakes from the past regime right? If your point is that the Leafs used to be poorly managed, well obviously. Don't think anyone would argue that. Current management has taken the money owed to guys like Clarkson, Lupul and Phaneuf and removed them from their cap going forward. That's all that could be done.

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02-12-2017, 05:38 PM
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Looking forward, if Phaneuf was a 31 year old Free Agent, with his history, looking for a 4 year contract, he'd be looking at the comparable UFA contracts: Goligoski (31, 5.5m), Green (31, 6.0m), Orpik (36, 5.5), Andy MacDonald (30 5.0m), Sekera (30, 5.5m) or Yandle (30, 6.4m) Most have longer term than Phaneuf has.

I don't think Phaneuf is great value going forward, but if he was a Free Agent, he isn't completely out-of-line, especially compared to some guys.
I think that's a pretty reasonable post right there.

I wonder about the speed issue. Clearly Dion isn't quick. I've seen more of him this year than previously in his career but I've seen him play many times since his WJC days. Has he lost much speed? He isn't quick now, not sure he ever was. But he's a very effective top 4 d man and is also producing offence from the back end. He's clearly not a player that relies on his speed to be effective.

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02-12-2017, 06:32 PM
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Phaneuf has been fantastic as the Sens #2/3 D. His contract is gross, but it is what it is. Sens got rid of a lot of dead dollars to acquire Phaneuf.

The Leafs got rid of Phaneufs contract. That's what they wanted.

Both teams, for different reasons, are very happy with the trade.

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02-12-2017, 09:55 PM
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It's hard to quantify how much Dion has helped the team in the leadership department, but hes been huge. I can say that much.

Very glad that he is not the captain of the Sens, he's simply not good enough on the ice for that. But man o man, hes about the best support you could possibly ask for (from a personality standpoint) to help out our young captain, who's got the weight of the franchise on his shoulders.

The dude is a legit leader and team first player. He's a warrior in every sense of the definition. He's a hard man to play against, and while he makes some blunders, he's an expert at making the oppositions lives miserable. When coaches say "so and so paid the price to do such and such..", well Dion is one of the guys at cash register.

Hes the kind of dman which help separate and defines what north American hockey is all about; only the strong (or exceptionally gifted) survive.


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Dion with the game winner tonight. Continues his fine play of late in the Sens push for the playoffs.

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02-16-2017, 11:49 PM
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Just a massive addition for Ottawa.

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02-17-2017, 12:18 AM
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I couldn't be happier with Dion right now. He's overpaid but he's far from the biggest underachiever compared to his salary on this team that still employs Bobby Ryan and we're four points away from the division lead with 3 games on hand with Dion playing his best hockey in recent games since we acquired him.

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How is the Leafs paying 20 million in salaries for players not on their roster any different than what the Coyotes are doing? They are paying the contracts of Chris Pronger, Pavel Datsyuk and Dave Bolland to not play for them, just so they can be well above the salary cap floor. With all their financial issues they are now where close to a rich team like the Leafs.
Yotes are eating the cap hit, but paying those players almost nothing in real $'s.

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02-17-2017, 08:05 AM
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So far Phaneuf has been an absolute blessing for the Sens. They acquired a quality 20 minute a night defenseman for some very replaceable pieces. Further, they somehow managed to save money for the last 2 seasons in doing so. No doubt Ottawa likes it so far, but that isn't the whole cost of Phaneuf since his ongoing contract is obviously a concern.

25.5 million remaining over the next 4 years works out to 6.4 per year and ends when he's 35. Phaneuf has never been a fast skater and he won't be any faster at 35, but he's in good shape and his decline has been non-existent so far.

Looking forward, if Phaneuf was a 31 year old Free Agent, with his history, looking for a 4 year contract, he'd be looking at the comparable UFA contracts: Goligoski (31, 5.5m), Green (31, 6.0m), Orpik (36, 5.5), Andy MacDonald (30 5.0m), Sekera (30, 5.5m) or Yandle (30, 6.4m) Most have longer term than Phaneuf has.

I don't think Phaneuf is great value going forward, but if he was a Free Agent, he isn't completely out-of-line, especially compared to some guys.
Great post. Agree 100%.

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So far Phaneuf has been an absolute blessing for the Sens. They acquired a quality 20 minute a night defenseman for some very replaceable pieces. Further, they somehow managed to save money for the last 2 seasons in doing so. No doubt Ottawa likes it so far, but that isn't the whole cost of Phaneuf since his ongoing contract is obviously a concern.

25.5 million remaining over the next 4 years works out to 6.4 per year and ends when he's 35. Phaneuf has never been a fast skater and he won't be any faster at 35, but he's in good shape and his decline has been non-existent so far.

Looking forward, if Phaneuf was a 31 year old Free Agent, with his history, looking for a 4 year contract, he'd be looking at the comparable UFA contracts: Goligoski (31, 5.5m), Green (31, 6.0m), Orpik (36, 5.5), Andy MacDonald (30 5.0m), Sekera (30, 5.5m) or Yandle (30, 6.4m) Most have longer term than Phaneuf has.

I don't think Phaneuf is great value going forward, but if he was a Free Agent, he isn't completely out-of-line, especially compared to some guys.
Dustin Byfuglien at 31 has a cap hit of 7.6M per. He is another comparable. I see he and Dion as comparables. Not a #1D man on a good team, but as a #2 or #3 on a team with cap space that can afford it. It isn't a bad situation.

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So far Phaneuf has been an absolute blessing for the Sens. They acquired a quality 20 minute a night defenseman for some very replaceable pieces. Further, they somehow managed to save money for the last 2 seasons in doing so. No doubt Ottawa likes it so far, but that isn't the whole cost of Phaneuf since his ongoing contract is obviously a concern.

25.5 million remaining over the next 4 years works out to 6.4 per year and ends when he's 35. Phaneuf has never been a fast skater and he won't be any faster at 35, but he's in good shape and his decline has been non-existent so far.

Looking forward, if Phaneuf was a 31 year old Free Agent, with his history, looking for a 4 year contract, he'd be looking at the comparable UFA contracts: Goligoski (31, 5.5m), Green (31, 6.0m), Orpik (36, 5.5), Andy MacDonald (30 5.0m), Sekera (30, 5.5m) or Yandle (30, 6.4m) Most have longer term than Phaneuf has.

I don't think Phaneuf is great value going forward, but if he was a Free Agent, he isn't completely out-of-line, especially compared to some guys.
I agree with this. Defense is so hard to find. I think he has value. His cap hit is high but if he were a free agent in the offseason he would get $5.5/7 easily. Given he only has 4 more years on his contract I don't think he's an issue.

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So far Phaneuf has been an absolute blessing for the Sens. They acquired a quality 20 minute a night defenseman for some very replaceable pieces. Further, they somehow managed to save money for the last 2 seasons in doing so. No doubt Ottawa likes it so far, but that isn't the whole cost of Phaneuf since his ongoing contract is obviously a concern.

25.5 million remaining over the next 4 years works out to 6.4 per year and ends when he's 35. Phaneuf has never been a fast skater and he won't be any faster at 35, but he's in good shape and his decline has been non-existent so far.

Looking forward, if Phaneuf was a 31 year old Free Agent, with his history, looking for a 4 year contract, he'd be looking at the comparable UFA contracts: Goligoski (31, 5.5m), Green (31, 6.0m), Orpik (36, 5.5), Andy MacDonald (30 5.0m), Sekera (30, 5.5m) or Yandle (30, 6.4m) Most have longer term than Phaneuf has.

I don't think Phaneuf is great value going forward, but if he was a Free Agent, he isn't completely out-of-line, especially compared to some guys.
Well said. Been nothing but a positive for this team.

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Phaneuf has been so good for Ottawa that multiple Norris winner Erik Karlsson has been trying to emulate his game. Even going so far as trying out Neon Dion's gear in practice.


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His career has been absolutely revived now that's he's gotten away from that toxic situation in Toronto.

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Phaneuf has been fantastic as the Sens #2/3 D. His contract is gross, but it is what it is. Sens got rid of a lot of dead dollars to acquire Phaneuf.

The Leafs got rid of Phaneufs contract. That's what they wanted.

Both teams, for different reasons, are very happy with the trade.
This!

People will have to accept that this is a trade were both parties got what they wanted.

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His career has been absolutely revived now that's he's gotten away from that toxic situation in Toronto.
Yes it was very toxic and he helped make it that way

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This!

People will have to accept that this is a trade were both parties got what they wanted.
100% correct,leafs are happy now,sens are happy now,,i am sire the leafs will be happy next year and after that ,not sure the sens will be happy,,,

I hope Dion keeps playing well this year catch them habs,,be so funny to see the habs fighting for a WC spot,thats one thing sens fans and leafs fan can agree that habs suck



Leafs don't care about the cash paying out now they have got the cap space,it will be all over after this year

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Dustin Byfuglien at 31 has a cap hit of 7.6M per. He is another comparable. I see he and Dion as comparables. Not a #1D man on a good team, but as a #2 or #3 on a team with cap space that can afford it. It isn't a bad situation.
Byfuglien is also a much better player than Dion. His contract though is pretty terrible as well - definitely a comparison to be made there

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Phaneuf has been so good for Ottawa that multiple Norris winner Erik Karlsson has been trying to emulate his game. Even going so far as trying out Neon Dion's gear in practice.

When asked why he chose to where DP's gear he went Turd Ferguson style by simply replying "Because It's funny"

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Aftermath is that Dion is playing like a boss, winning the sens games, and providing the offensive spark that we thought Ceci would provide one day.

On pace for his highest goal total since 2007-08.

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The difference between Toronto and Ottawa's Phaneuf is expectations. Toronto management, fans and media all went nuts when they acquired Dion. He became their #1 defenseman and was expected to play a shutdown role, provide offense, and take leadership and responsibility for a sinking ship.

In Ottawa it's a different story. We expect him to be a second pairing defenseman. He can make mistakes and shut down the second lines. While we expect him to produce offensively, Karlsson takes the spotlight. He's not the captain but his leadership in Ottawa has been excellent.

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