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02-13-2017, 09:50 AM
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BBKers, nightmare of a "reasonable" deadline scenario, so I think it would be a highly unlikely outcome. Postseason moves are better.

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The Rangers aren't going to reinvent the wheel at the deadline, come on.

Franson may be our guy but I even doubt that happens. They aren't trading for Sharp (who makes no sense) or Doan (who wants to stay out west) or Ribero (who has issues out the ass.)

And as much as I'd like to see it, the Habs aren't trading Petry during year 2 of a 6 year pact.

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The Rangers aren't going to reinvent the wheel at the deadline, come on.

Franson may be our guy but I even doubt that happens. They aren't trading for Sharp (who makes no sense) or Doan (who wants to stay out west) or Ribero (who has issues out the ass.)

And as much as I'd like to see it, the Habs aren't trading Petry during year 2 of a 6 year pact.
Something something, Subban, something something

Desperate teams make desperate moves. If they aren't going to do the right thing and fire MT, they're going to do the wrong thing and make a bad trade.

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02-13-2017, 10:10 AM
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While true, the Subban situation was different. That wasn't a move made out of desperation, it was a move made to "change the culture", what ever the hell that means

Petry is a very low maintenance guy on a good contract. Montreal has done some stupid **** in the past, but I don't see it. I think they're more likely to make a stupid move giving up on Galchenyuk.

Though if they want more "culture" improving players, I have a Staal and a Girardi that would probably interest them!

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02-13-2017, 10:32 AM
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...And Boyle's role/ice time have remained pretty much exactly the same in TB as here.
yes, but he is at a point where he made enough $ and has put in enough time that he can somewhat dictate his role in where he goes

if he was free/cheap post season acquisition, post exp drft issues, not seeing why we can't just see where he fits best, which is likely 3rd, possibly 4th line. However, the way we are rolling currently and projected, the dif due to a reduced role seems diminished


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Some possible Deadline moves which I could seen but not totally behind all of
  • Kevin Klein and Brandon Halverson + something more to Dallas for Patrick Sharp + ev rights to Nish (depends on the NYR add). Yes - this move is preceded by Sather, Dolan, JG and AV meeting in the stands at NYR practice and The Dark Side prevails...
  • Brandon Pirri to LA for Tom Gilbert and a prospect/pick
  • Matt Puempel to Florida or Vancouver for a very late pick
  • Adam Tambellini for Mike Ribeiro plus a later pick and /or mid level prospect (Nashville as budget team saves $ and maybe pays it with a 4th/5th)
  • NYR 2017 3rd for Cody Fansson (our likely RD rental)
  • NYR 2018 3rd plus Nik Jensen to Arizona for Shane Doan (annual old man rental)

Zucc - Stepan - Nash
Kreider - Zib - Sharp
Grabner - Hayes - Miller
Doan - Lindberg - Fast
Vesey - Buch (AV Rule #1 - All rookie fwds must do due diligence & sit in the stands for the playoffs so they are there as insertable jokers looking young in the pressbox)

McD - Holden (yikes)
Staal - Fransson
Skjei - Girardi
Clendening

Gilbert + Ribeiro would be waived => in Hartford and used as playoff callups as in The Black Aces

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Bigger action in the offseason
Warrior Dan Girardi is bought out
Fast is likely gone to Las Vegas in the bloody expansion draft (or ... Nash?)
Rick Nash with salary retained is likely dealt in the offseason (Vegas ?)
If the right deal is out there, perhaps Zucc can be dealt
Eventually a Trade for a #2 RD in Jakub Trouba
Likely Sign #3/#4 RD in Shatty (UFA)
Sign NCAA college FA Fwd Zach Aston-Reese (Northeastern) plus one of the FA defenders Neal Pionk (Minnesota Duluth) or Daniel Brickley (Minnesota State)
Strengthen organizational depth signing some long shot Euros and undrafted junior players
Look at taking a flyer on Evgeny Dadonov if there is any $$ available (not likely)
Zib resigned long term at around $5M
Fire AV. Always that sound in my head.

Future league moves
Carolina (4 sale) moved to Quebec
Arizona (Arena issues) moved to Seattle
One of Houston or Kansas City are new teams (#32)

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Buffalo (moves)
Columbus
New Jersey
NYR
Philly
Pittsburgh
Washington

Atlantic
Boston
Detroit
Florida
Montreal
Ottawa
Quebec (transfer from Carolina)
Tampa Bay
Toronto

Heartland
Chicago
Colorado
Dallas
Kansas City/Houston (new)
Minnesota
Nashville
St Louis
Winnipeg

Pacific
Anaheim
Calgary
Edmonton
Las Vegas (new 2017)
LA Kings
San Jose
Seattle (transfer from Arizona)
Vancouver

Almost Bernish...
some other people, I read them the riot act, and often it is deserved.
not so valued contributor BBKers

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and today is my birthday, so I am not getting bummed on stuff.

Respectfully, we are not going through gyrations with vets added for minimal long term gain (Sharp? Ribiero?).

IMO it is looking like
Stepan retain 2m to 4.5 for Faulk, 4.8
that probably gets that done

buy out G

my Nash deal

Zuc, Klein to highest bidders, preferably futures

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02-13-2017, 10:41 AM
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yes, but he is at a point where he made enough $ and has put in enough time that he can somewhat dictate his role in where he goes

if he was free/cheap post season acquisition, post exp drft issues, not seeing why we can't just see where he fits best, which is likely 3rd, possibly 4th line. However, the way we are rolling currently and projected, the dif due to a reduced role seems diminished




some other people, i read them the riot act, and often it is deserved.
Not so valued contributor bbkers

i love you man, says this child of the 60s

and today is my birthday, so i am not getting bummed on stuff.

respectfully, we are not going through gyrations with vets added for minimal long term gain (sharp? Ribiero?).

Imo it is looking like
stepan retain 2m to 4.5 for faulk, 4.8
that probably gets that done

buy out g

my nash deal

zuc, klein to highest bidders, preferably futures
happy birthday

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02-13-2017, 10:43 AM
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So, hypothetically, if NYR were to trade one of their non-ED-exempt forwards for a blueliner at the deadline, who would you all have it be? Kreider is pretty much the only name that is 100% untouchable to most fans here.

To me it comes down to Zuccarello and Nash for age reasons.

Arguments for moving Nash...

- Can retain salary for next year to bring in a better return
- Older than Zucc
- Contract ends next year
- Don't want to lose Zuccarello's sweetheart deal with other forwards coming up for payraises.

Arguments for Zucc

- Can probably bring back a better return than Nash
- Doesn't have the same ability to dominate a shift
- Team has easier replacement (Buchnevich) for his style of play


At the end of the day, I think I move Nash. Zuccarello is a guy that could well be a career Ranger, and I think we'll really want his light salary when Kreider, Miller, Hayes, Zibanejad, and others are all fighting for $$$. Nash still has the ability to break a game open, but he just doesn't do it as often any more. Nash also has a worse playoff record.

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Would change those East Divisions

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BOS, FLA, NYI , NJ, NY, PHI, TB, WSH

Atlantic
BUF, CLB, DET, MTL, OTT, PIT, QUE, TOR

The only geographical alignment that makes sense.

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Habs getting desperate.

Call them about Petry.
Thoughts on Zuccarello for Petry and change?

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Thoughts on Zuccarello for Petry and change?
Value makes sense, but there are other forwards that I deal on this team before Zucc.

Right now, I think Montreal probably wants a center to play with Patches. I'm not sure if Danault is the answer they're looking for.

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Thoughts on Zuccarello for Petry and change?
The change you list needs to be a #1. I'm okay with moving Zucc for a Trouba, Klingberg or Vatanen. Anything else is nowhere near equal value without a 1st coming back.

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The change you list needs to be a #1. I'm okay with moving Zucc for a Trouba, Klingberg or Vatanen. Anything else is nowhere near equal value without a 1st coming back.
Vatanen is not even on the same level as Trouba or Klingberg

I get what you're saying but there would be a significant add with Vatanen as well

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The change you list needs to be a #1. I'm okay with moving Zucc for a Trouba, Klingberg or Vatanen. Anything else is nowhere near equal value without a 1st coming back.
One of these names is not like the others...

Heard noting but poor reviews about Vatanen's defensive play this season.

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Also happy birthday to bernmeister

Dont ever stop posting crazy trade proposals

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Funny thing is that I'm pretty sure there quite a few posters willing to give up Kreider straight up for Vatanen as recent as this past summer.

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Bern- Happy birthday! I think your proposals are crazy (just too many names involved! ), but I definitely appreciate your comments on moves which always are insightful!

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What could we get for Kreider today?

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What could we get for Kreider today?
The entire New Jersey Devils organization.

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The entire New Jersey Devils organization.
I'll pass.

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Value makes sense, but there are other forwards that I deal on this team before Zucc.

Right now, I think Montreal probably wants a center to play with Patches. I'm not sure if Danault is the answer they're looking for.
I don't see any forwards that I realistically move over Zuccarello, which is very unfortunate. I think that they would be very happy with him in Montreal though. Zuccarello for like Petry and Juulsen is something that I think would be worth taking a look at. Petry would easily be first pairing here if he clicked with McDonagh. I don't think that you are getting a Klingberg, Trouba for Petry and this is better good valuewise.

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Montreal is not winning their division. Too many holes. If Montreal was in the Metro, they'd be outside of the playoffs. They are on par with the Flyers and Islanders.

Ottawa has a better points percentage than them over the season now. Ottawa does need to win their games in hand in order to be ahead in the final version of the standings.

Unless Price gets red hot, which is entirely possible, I don't think we'll be facing them. Ottawa is much more likely. Boston has the next best chance behind Ottawa at winning it.

I think we'd be Montreal. I think Ottawa would be a long series with Anderson in nets for them. We'd get crushed by Boston.

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One of these names is not like the others...

Heard noting but poor reviews about Vatanen's defensive play this season.
He's likely the only one who is actually available though. Klingberg is a **** show defensively. He just happens to drive an absurd amount of shot attempts as well. Trouba would be a fantastic addition, but with the uncertainty around Tyler Myers, he could very well be staying in Winnipeg long term.

Vatanen is having a bad year, but he's a strong 2nd pairing defender on a good contract who is in the prime of his career. He plays all situations as well; Which means the coaches wouldn't have an issue giving him those kind of minutes over, say, a certain veteran defender who is composed of 74.3% scar tissue.

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Bbkers: none of the players you offer have any value.it is something you do to make it look like you gave up something because you cant just call another team and say, "give me a 5thround pick or a depth player for nothing."

Halverson is an ECHLer. He has zero value. Pirri, Pimple are waiver fodder. And so on.

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Funny thing is that I'm pretty sure there quite a few posters willing to give up Kreider straight up for Vatanen as recent as this past summer.
Some call it funny, i call it sad and ignorant.

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I think we all agree that Dan Girardi needs to transition to his new career testing prototype bulletproof vest models for the military.

Av has scratched both Klein and Girardi, so I doubt that the concern about a new dman sending, say Skjei to the press box is warranted. In addition, it isn't unrealistic to consider that Klein may well be part of a deadline deal himself.

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